Can anyone identify this car?

LeGrand Mk 7 recently found by Butch Gilbert
Car had been placed in storage since 1982 before Butch Gilbert purchased it.

This car has recently been sold to John Boxhorn of Wisconsin and hopefully we will see it racing in the Vintage F-5000 soon.
As it turns out this car is 002, the car I drove in 1968.
photo: Butch Gilbert

Edited by Jerry Entin, 30 March 2020 - 11:53.

LeGrand Mk 7 recently found by Butch Gilbert
Car had been placed in storage since 1982 before Butch Gilbert purchased it.

This car has recently been sold to John Boxhorn of Wisconsin and hopefully we will see it racing in the Vintage F-5000 soon.

photo: Butch Gilbert

I hope this is relative to the thread but can does anyone know witch track this photo was taken out

http://www.sutton-im...tal0428se04.jpg

Thanks

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Mike Allison with the Sam Posey driven LeGrand Mk 7 in 1968
Mike Allison was the crew chief on the Peter Botsford owned LeGrand Mk 7. This was the first Formula A car Sam Posey drove.


photo: Sue Allison
Mike Allison collection

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Mike Allison crew chief, Sam Posey, Jerry Entin, Jack Evans and Red LeGrand
This is from Donnybrooke Race course Formula A Race in 1968.
Donnybrooke was located in Brainerd, Minnestoa and is now called BIR, or Brainerd Internatioal Raceway

Sam Posey getting into the Peter Botsford owned LeGrand Mk. 7
Mike Allison and Jack Evans helping Sam get in.

Photos: Sue Allison
Mike Allison collection

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Sam Posey taking the Peter Botsford owned LeGrand Mk 7 on a practice run
This is from 1968 and is at Brainerd, Minnesota. Peter Botsford is the fellow in the blue jacket over the wall.

Dbw: It is the same Tom McBurnie who makes the Porsche 550's.
As you have said Tom McBurnie is "a great guy."

Photo: Sue Allison
Mike Allison collection

Edited by Jerry Entin, 25 April 2020 - 15:41.

Thank you Jerry.

Here is another view from the BRIC. The car will be raced next season by Mike Argetsinger.



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Rex Ramsey in 1969 in the Mk7 LeGrand with better engine and High wing. Rex Ramsey and Max Balchowsky made this motor. They built it at Max's shop Hollywood Motors. The wing and wing mounts were built by Jack Smith and Rex Ramsey. This engine was originally in Rex's first Formula 5000 car called a Wadsworth. Rex believes this is at Riverside.


Dr. Lou Sell a very good guy and dentist was badly burnt I believe in an Indy type Eagle at I think Riverside. That is why he couldn't run the LeGrand and Rex Ramsey took over. Red LeGrand was as good as they come as a craftsman and a person. He wanted to make a car similar to the Radical DSR for people to be able to get involved in racing at a reasonable price. He was way ahead of his times. Lou Sell was the 1968 US Formula A or 5000 Champion driving an Eagle. Dick Smothers of the comedy Team sponsored him. Dick Smothers also drove a Formula B type car in the series in 1968. It was a Brabham Ford.


Dr. Lou Sell with the Smothers Brothers Eagle.
photos lent to site by Glenn Miller

Lou Sell and Jerry Entin at Elkhart Lake in 1968
Harvey Lasiter, crew chief is in tee shirt and that is Jack Douglass in yellow shirt.

Tony I am always glad to be able to post a photo of my friend Lou Sell. He is a great guy and was also a very worthy F-5000 Champ.

Tony also: Glenn Miller allowed me to use his great Photo of Lou Sell inspecting the rear of the F-5000 car. It is me who assumed it was his Eagle. You have a keener eye then me. After looking at the picture I believe it is a Lola. The # 8 Lola in 1969 was Ron Courtney. Maybe Lou Sell was just checking it out.


photo: Barbara Bonow Deer
 

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Allen: John Boxhorn hasn't been able to find any chassis number plate with the car. The rollbar had 33-228 stamped on it. That is the only ID numbers he sees on the car.

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Ken Owen and crew with LeGrand Mk 7

photo: John Boxhorn collection

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Engine for John Boxhorn's LeGrand Mk 7
This engine had 501 hp at 7,800 rpm. It was built for John by Chuck Cornelison at VDS Racing engines in Indianapolis.

As far as John Boxhorn has been able to figure out the car was with Mal Patterson until December of 1973, it was then sold to Ken Owen by M.S. Patterson. Ken Owen sold the car to Skip Pack of Hollister, Ca in 1977 or 1978. Butch Gilbert bought the car in October of 2009 and the car was sold to John Boxhorn in October of 2010.


photo: John Boxhorn collection

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Transaxle area.
John has done a fantastic job of bringing the LeGrand back to life.


photos: John Boxhorn

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John and Dorothy Boxhorn behind their LeGrand Mk 7

This was at the 2014 Hawk races at Elkhart Lake and John Boxhorn finally got to run his LeGrand and it looked great out there.

John and Dorothy Boxhorn with Bob McKee at Elkhart Lake on the pre grid.

John did a great job of driving the LeGrand Mk 7 in the F-5000 race and it was a pleasure seeing a LeGrand Mk 7 finally showing it's stuff.

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LeGrand Mk 11 owned by Leonard Janke

This car started out in 1969 with a High Wing configuration and now has a lower mounted wing.

It is currently owned by Marty Fidrich of Colorado.

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I have just read this thread from the start. A pity so many pics have disapeared.

I thought I had read everything about 5000s on here, but still find another thread

LeGrand Mk 11 in action Marty Fidrich of Colorado driving, this is a vintage event.

Lee: I am putting the photos back on this site. It was started many years ago and photobucket who at the time hosted the photos, now want $10 a month to leave them up. John Boxhorn recently sold his Mk 7 to David Zavetsky of Pennsylvania and it is believed to be the car I originally ran in 1968 Known as 002.

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Rex Ramsey in the LeGrand Mk 11 second car back on right.#22

Trevor Taylor in the #15 Surtess and Gus Hutchison in the Brabham BT26 Formula One car #53  at Sebring in 1969

Race was won by David Hobbs in a Surtess TS5 with Gus Hutchison coming in second. Rex Ramsey would finish 11 th.

In the Canadian F 5000 series in 1969 Rex Ramsey won an event held at Trois- Rivieres on September 14 1969.

all research Vince Howlett

Edited by Jerry Entin, 31 March 2020 - 07:43.

Once again, another thread I had missed. Thanks for posting the Le Grand pics & info, Jerry.

Jerry great photo, thanks for posting, I think this could be either Edmonton Alberta, or MacDonald ? ? on the Western Canadian leg of the 1969 Gulf Canada series for Formula A/B cars.

Michael

Rex Ramsey in the LeGrand Mk 11 second car back on right.

This was a race in the Canadian F 5000 series in 1969. Rex Ramsey won an event held at Trois- Rivieres on September 14 1969.

Way too many Formula A/5000 cars for a Gulf Canada race back then.  I believe this is the December, 1969 L & M race at Sebring.  Here is a link...the qualifying times are at the bottom:

https://www.oldracin...php?RaceID=LM69

In the photo:

#15 Trevor Taylor, Surtees

#53 Gus Hutchison, Brabham BT26A

#37 Horst Kroll, Lola

#22 Rex Ramsey, LeGrand

etc.

Vince H.

Edited by raceannouncer2003, 31 March 2020 - 05:50.

Rex Ramsey in white helmet in front of us, not a very good picture of the LeGrand Mk 11

Vince: I had this photo for a long time. it was given to me by Rex Ramsey. I tried contacting him for the details and couldn't reach him.

I should have shown it to you. As always you are right.

The reason I am putting this thread back up is that John Boxhorn has sold his car to Dave Zavetsky and he was asking about the different LeGrand Mk 7's.

He was trying to figure out which car he had. 

His final conclusion is this car is 002. My original car from 1968. That after Rex Ramsey ran it ,

Red LeGrand let Bruce Eglington and Chuck Elliot run it and later Ken Owen bought it or ran it in various events

I was there at Gingerman when John Boxhorn first brought the car out and I never imagined it was my original car. Due to it having a Hewland Gearbox and wings and better rear hubs and brakes.

Here is a youtube video showing the rebuilding of the car: https://www.youtube....bQ0QJbaLgA_Gaxk

photo: Dave Jordon

Edited by Jerry Entin, 07 April 2020 - 20:17.

Vince H. & Jerry,  thanks for the information, well I had  that wrong    I some how thought there were too many wings !

Michael

Those rear wing struts sure look flimsy, especially considering their length. The Surtees #15 nose appears level but the front wings both look like they are canted down to the right hand side. If this is correct would it have been intentional for some reason or just that they are on crooked? There does appear t have been some damage to the lower nose so maybe something was bent. Great picture Jerry, thank you.

And taking a second look at the other cars the #37 Kroll Lola also looks to have the front wings canted to the right....

Way too many Formula A/5000 cars for a Gulf Canada race back then.  I believe this is the December, 1969 L & M race at Sebring.  Here is a link...the qualifying times are at the bottom:

 

https://www.oldracin...php?RaceID=LM69

 

In the photo:

#15 Trevor Taylor, Surtees

#53 Gus Hutchison, Brabham BT26A

#37 Horst Kroll, Lola

#22 Rex Ramsey, LeGrand

etc.

 

Vince H.

Edited by Bikr7549, 31 March 2020 - 21:29.

I think the nose has been ground away under brakes somewhere...

I also notice the Brabham to the right, that would be Gus Hutchinson (Hutchison?), wouldn't it?

Those rear wing struts sure look flimsy, especially considering their length. The Surtees #15 nose appears level but the front wings both look like they are canted down to the right hand side. If this is correct would it have been intentional for some reason or just that they are on crooked? There does appear t have been some damage to the lower nose so maybe something was bent. Great picture Jerry, thank you.

 

And taking a second look at the other cars the #37 Kroll Lola also looks to have the front wings canted to the right....

I think the photo angles is making those cars look a little off. Though looking again they are crooked in relation to the nose. And the bottom of the nose is ground away.

Some of those wings were probably causing drag and little else.

Jerrys post #142 shows the LeGrand with a hell of a bannana in the wing,, I doubt that is doing very little either.

And thanks for the older pics Jerry, these threads lose a LOT when they go missing.

The dark colored car with yellow wings looks 'normal' in comparison to those high wings.

And suspension mountings were at best a little scarey.

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