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#151 Giraffe

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 10:15

I love the Lola T70 & particularily in MkIII & MkIIIB format because it's both eclectic and accessible. I appreciate it in much the way I do the Maserati 250F in that it was an iconic car that you could buy off the shelf and run competitively, and there are many with differing degrees of authenticity still running. I got the same buzz out of seeing the dozen or so 250Fs on the track at the same time at the 2005 "See Red" meeting at Donington as I do out of seeing a similar number of T70s racing each other at a Masters Series event.

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Here is another pic of the ill fated Nick Cuthbert car for Paul Hawkins (SL76/142) on the morning of it's demise, 26th May 1969. Standing by it is fellow 15 year old marshal Mike Godfrey, (who years later was the man who brokered the Canon-Williams sponsorship).

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#152 Giraffe

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 12:51

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The Minshaw's T70MkII Spyder with 5.7 V8 pictured at Cholmondeley in July. I'm unsure if it really is the Sid Taylor car.........

#153 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 21:50

I talked to Picko Troberg today and he wouldn't agree with my hypothesis that his two cars had the same chassisnumber. Hopefully he can dig up some paper to prove me that I am wrong.
But he also said that the second car wasn't seriously damaged (just as one can see on the Austrian pictures) and was repaired.

#154 Obster

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 22:15

Great thread about a very interesting car.
What about the several T-70's supposedly destroyed in the filming of the movie LeMans?
Crashing T-70's tarted up as 917's and 512's has been mentioned by David Piper and others
connected with the movie.
Fantastic pics in this thread!

#155 Ted Walker

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 08:09

I understand that a T70 MK3 Spyder with a good history has just arrived here from the USA

#156 Alan Cox

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 10:17

A reposting of two Tim Blackburn photos from the 1969 Martini Trophy

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#157 sterling49

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 12:01

Lovely photos Alan, is that Craft in the orange car, my memory is worsening :smoking:

#158 Alan Cox

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 13:29

Yes, it is, as mentioned in Giraffe's earlier post. Hope you remember to go to the film show tomorrow, sterling.
http://www.wspr-raci...bscc1969.html#5

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 18:49

Yes, it is, as mentioned in Giraffe's earlier post. Hope you remember to go to the film show tomorrow, sterling.
http://www.wspr-raci...bscc1969.html#5



:up: Day pass from senior management, all rubber stamped Alan!!!

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#160 JB Miltonian

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 00:54

I know next to nothing about Lolas, but I remembered seeing an article in Car & Driver (Feb 1968) about a man named Reeve Whitson who had transformed his Lola T70 MkIII GT Coupe into a road car, apparently with the approval of Eric Broadley. "...Whitson displayed the car at the recent Los Angeles imported car show. There he was swamped with offers to buy the machine for its projected price of $8500, but he refused them all, claiming that at least a year would pass before any sales would be consummated..."

Anyone know what happened with this story?

#161 Red Socks

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 16:51

I have found that most owners (of all Lola types) are very happy to disscuss their car's history and are generally open to any new details that I can uncover even if it means that they find out their car isn't quite what they thought it was. Part of the idea of the Register is to put a car's history in the public domain so that people can comment on or correct details.

="http://www.lolaherit...age.co.uk"]Lola Heritage[/url]


I am sure you are quite right Gerald but the big issue is that very often the tales that are told to you are the tales that were told to the proud owners by the ''gentlemen'' who sold them the cars,and their motives were not always pure.

#162 Giraffe

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 17:02

I am sure you are quite right Gerald but the big issue is that very often the tales that are told to you are the tales that were told to the proud owners by the ''gentlemen'' who sold them the cars,and their motives were not always pure.


Two things spring to mind; Caveat Emptor, and if in doubt, don't. If the history of the car is significant enough to have a significant effect the price, get it in writing at the very least!

#163 Red Socks

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 17:31

Two things spring to mind; Caveat Emptor, and if in doubt, don't. If the history of the car is significant enough to have a significant effect the price, get it in writing at the very least!


When you are four or five owners from the fantasist who faked the car and is history or who bought one car and sold two ...........
You have no chance.

#164 Gerald Swan

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 21:37

I fear you are correct Red Socks, it is very often the case that somebody can be a little creative with the origins of their car and then it gets passed down, later owners then (in good faith) quote that history and the longer it continues the harder it is to unravel the truth.

The other problem can be that we are often talking about things that happened 40 or so years ago and as we more senior TNFers know that it's hard enough to remember yesterday let alone 40 years ago :rotfl:, so people often say things in good faith but their memories have let them down.

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 23:00

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#173 sterling49

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 11:56

I'd tell you to stop...but I love it! Such stunning cars, real great memories of the Bonnier car, Pipes and the Filipenetti car, the roadster is lovely too :love:

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 21:55

The Bonnier Lola T70 MkIIIB SL76/143 that was in the US for a long time in owned these days by Michael Hanson and is being prepared by Colin Bennett & his boys with some work being undertaken on the suspension and bodywork by Mirage Engineering. Colin will run the car for Mike Wilds in the Masters Series and selected events.
(I've asked Mike for permission to post some of his pics of it's rebuild).

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 03:09

Sorry to inform you that SL76/143 has been in America since 1978 and I've seen the bill of sale from David Piper to the present owner, who still has the car.

Not sure what number this Mark 111b really is but I am sure it's a real car...

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 03:19

Knowing the ownership trails of SL76/143 and SL76/151 as I now do, this seems to me to be what has happened:

Jo Bonnier raced his T70, SL76/143 in the Interserie with a big block engine in 1970 and Stefan Sklenar rented the Ecurie Filipinetti T70, SL76/151 for the 1970 Interserie. Bonnier was the European Lola agent and undoubtedly had access to spares supplied by Lola. At some point, probably after 1970, Bonnier's people built up another T70 from spares, which Bonnier sold to Sklenar. It may not have had a number. Sklenar sold that "project" to Tom Fletcher in England, through David Piper. David also bought and sold SL76/143, first of all to Peter Norman and later to the present owner in America.

#177 Giraffe

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 06:29

Knowing the ownership trails of SL76/143 and SL76/151 as I now do, this seems to me to be what has happened:


Thanks for that John. I've got the 1st edition of your book, so can I have my £40 back please? :well:

#178 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 06:49


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:11

Knowing the ownership trails of SL76/143 and SL76/151 as I now do, this seems to me to be what has happened:

Jo Bonnier raced his T70, SL76/143 in the Interserie with a big block engine in 1970 and Stefan Sklenar rented the Ecurie Filipinetti T70, SL76/151 for the 1970 Interserie. Bonnier was the European Lola agent and undoubtedly had access to spares supplied by Lola. At some point, probably after 1970, Bonnier's people built up another T70 from spares, which Bonnier sold to Sklenar. It may not have had a number. Sklenar sold that "project" to Tom Fletcher in England, through David Piper. David also bought and sold SL76/143, first of all to Peter Norman and later to the present owner in America.


Although Bonnier certainly tried to make a buck, wherever he could, I wonder how he managed to build up a car from spares... Surely there must have been a chassis to start from?

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:45

Although Bonnier certainly tried to make a buck, wherever he could, I wonder how he managed to build up a car from spares... Surely there must have been a chassis to start from?


I am sure there was a chassis-another spare part from Lola.

#181 Giraffe

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 13:51

I am sure there was a chassis-another spare part from Lola.


As I said on the Bonnier T70 thread most T70's are at best grandad's axe, and that includes the best ones.

To quote Mike Wilds when I briefed him on the 143 saga this morning....'Interesting Tony....will leave the the present owner to argue its pedigree...all I want to do is race it....whatever the chassis number is or isn't ... "

Amen to Mr.Wilds. :up:

#182 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 14:08

I am sure there was a chassis-another spare part from Lola.


Yes, I can understand that Lola could build a new chassis as a "spare part", but for what chassis should that one have been? Or was it something they just had lying around? Or did JoBo have so many other parts, that he ordered a chassis to mount all the other things on?
JoBo didn't have any big facilities until late '71 as far as I know, so it sounds a little bit strange.


#183 Giraffe

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 14:32

Or did JoBo have so many other parts, that he ordered a chassis to mount all the other things on?
so it sounds a little bit strange.


One thing I do know is that Jo, as Lola agent literally had a stack of T70 chassis plates in the drawer of his desk and issued them as and when required to suit. He didn't realise the mayhem he would cause years later. Simon Hadfield said to me, 138 is one of the very few original T70 Mk3B's around, but I believe that it's the original chassis plate and is another 'grandad's axe' as it has been re-tubbed albeit relatively early in it's life. So in a way it's a case of no T70 is original, but some are more original than others. Don't forget, in period it didn't matter, they were just cars to race.
Inspite of the hostility I rightly or wrongly perceived towards John Starkey from those at Lola, I have some sympathy for him as he undertook the quite impossible task of analysising a dog's breakfast that's putrified over many years and is paying the price now for doing so! Lola T70's in all their guises entertained me royally in period and continue to do so to this very day, (and hopefully this weekend when several should be out in the Masters Series at Silverstone).

Edited by Giraffe, 31 March 2010 - 14:34.

#184 Giraffe

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 15:28

There are five T70 Mk3B's on the garage plan alone for this weekend's Silverstone on the Masters site, so there may well be even more than that racing! :love:

#185 Giraffe

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Posted 03 April 2010 - 18:22

T70s at Silverstone today for World Sportscar Masters qualifying......

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 16:34

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Mike d'Udy leading Jo Bonnier - Oulton Park Gold Cup meeting 1968

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#187 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 16:48

A nice picture! JoBo had a spare nose on his Mk III after Pedro Rodriguez had crashed the car at Karlskoga the week before. The intense duel with Mike d'Udy at Oulton Park ended with yet more broken glass-fibre parts.

#188 Giraffe

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 16:51

A nice picture! JoBo had a spare nose on his Mk III after Pedro Rodriguez had crashed the car at Karlskoga the week before. The intense duel with Mike d'Udy at Oulton Park ended with yet more broken glass-fibre parts.



#189 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 07:06

We ran into this Mk3 at Paul Ricard this weekend. It had chassis plate SL73/106, which I found very interesting:
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#190 Giraffe

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 07:27

A US car originally supplied to John Mecom in 1967. Only very interesting in that it has no known history, but does beg the question how did it get back to Europe?

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 14:28

A US car originally supplied to John Mecom in 1967. Only very interesting in that it has no known history, but does beg the question how did it get back to Europe?

It this the first time it re-appeared?

#192 Giraffe

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Posted 30 May 2010 - 21:00

Amongst a vast amount of material Sid Taylor gave to me today was this truly wonderful photo of his T70 Mk3B at Mugello where it finished in third place, autographed by his two drivers for the event. Finding it left me almost speechless.....

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I just love the token 'Italy' decal on the nose!

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#193 Jean L

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 07:47

The drivers of the Lola were de Adamich and Vaccarella.

#194 Giraffe

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 08:39

The drivers of the Lola were de Adamich and Vaccarella.


I'd figured the autographs were legible, Jean. :love:

#195 Jean L

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:01

:stoned: :drunk: , it seems that I begin the week a little tired.

#196 arttidesco

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:18

Not sure where either of these taken 17 07 81 at the British GP meeting fit into the Lola T70 story


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I imagine the green one above might have a David Piper Connection.


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I hope a TNF T70 aficionado can fill us in ?




#197 sterling49

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 10:23

Did Gerry drive this car?

#198 Giraffe

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 10:32

Did Gerry drive this car?


Yes, SL76/148, the Picko Troberg car which is still around today.

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 10:33

Yes Stirling, i am sure he did and Ray Mallock ? springs to mind too in the Marsh Plant T70 . Gregor will confirm this .


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Posted 31 May 2010 - 10:52

Gerry Marshall, Ray Mallock and Richard Bond were the drivers of the Marsh Plant IIIb, AFAIK

Later sold to a Mr Piper, but I'm not sure if he still has it
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