Maserati question
#1
Posted 22 September 2007 - 15:44
In the books Maserati by Crump and de la Rive Box p.67 and A racing history by Pritchard p.57 is pictured
a 6CM1500 in 1936 . Knowing that after Subalpina Scuderia Torino took over most works entries I wonder if the logo on the door is theirs ???? Because it is not a Maserati logo !!! Any help please ????
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#2
Posted 24 September 2007 - 07:29
#3
Posted 24 September 2007 - 08:29
Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Sometimes patience is not my strong side , but am I really alone on this ? There must be a Maserati specialist or two out there ?
Is it an ultimatum?
#4
Posted 24 September 2007 - 09:47
The picture in question is certainly on page 57 in Pritchard. However, for those of us who have the second edition of Crump/Box it's on page 80.
Bjørn: you're presumably referring to the tiny - almost indiscernible - thing which might be a logo on the door of the transporter behind the car? 'Fraid I don't have an electron microscope handy ....
But, if you look at the picture of Furmanik's streamlined record-breaker on page 58 of Pritchard it has a logo on the tail which bears more than a passing resemblance to the arms of the Provincia di Torino:
http://www.crwflags....lags/it-to.html
#5
Posted 24 September 2007 - 14:53
But it did help, didnt it ? I believe so , having looked at the Torino Flag by Vitesse , I feel sure untill otherwise assured that it would have been the logo , or much alike for Scuderia Torino !
Thanks for that !
#6
Posted 18 November 2007 - 15:57
Curious , being a Dane racing never interested me that much here ! It has changed a bit now , and I know Moss was at Karlskoga and Roskilde Ring in 1958 . Other Maserati drivers ? Other races ? Pictures or hints where to look ?
1955 A.Loens , B.Musy , J.Behra
1956 : A.Loens , L.Beels ?
1957 : J.Bonnier , A.Loens , L.Beels
1958 : S.Moss , J.Bonnier , U.Norinder
1959 : B.Ljungfeldt , G.Lundgren ,
#7
Posted 21 November 2007 - 06:27
#8
Posted 16 December 2007 - 07:50
Can anyone scan or send me a copy of that picture on : kjerbjoern@hotmail.com ?
#9
Posted 20 December 2007 - 17:52
#10
Posted 10 January 2008 - 07:58
#11
Posted 27 January 2008 - 15:43
on page 125. Driven by Paratore/Semilia retiring halfway , entered by Scuderia Settecolli , no162 :
Any ideas of the bodywork , selfmade ? Certainly no Birdcage outside !u
#12
Posted 27 January 2008 - 16:22
Bjoern,Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Having just looked through my Wimppfen Winged Sports Cars book (again) I notced the Maserati (T60???)
on page 125. Driven by Paratore/Semilia retiring halfway , entered by Scuderia Settecolli , no162 :
Any ideas of the bodywork , selfmade ? Certainly no Birdcage outside !u
all T60/61 coachworks where done in-house by Maserati. Only exeption was the T61 #2472 that was born with standart body but later modified by Drogo. This car is today in the Panini-Collection near Modena.
Ciao!
Walter
#13
Posted 27 January 2008 - 17:36
Post 8 , got it , thanks !
Post 9 : I believe "coco" , you have not seen the picture , the bodywork is NOT a T60/61 , so I assume its "homebuild" by the team or some garage !
#14
Posted 22 February 2008 - 09:41
#15
Posted 22 February 2008 - 10:27
I haven't seen the picture either. Are you sure it's a T60/61. The 300S/200S/150S kept on racing in minor events even as late as 1959-60Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Post 7 , got one , thanks !
Post 8 , got it , thanks !
Post 9 : I believe "coco" , you have not seen the picture , the bodywork is NOT a T60/61 , so I assume its "homebuild" by the team or some garage !
#16
Posted 22 February 2008 - 11:37
#18
Posted 22 February 2008 - 14:03
#19
Posted 22 February 2008 - 14:21
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#20
Posted 22 February 2008 - 14:26
The pic was taken with my trusty Leica IIIB with a 50mm Summar lens because here, at the hairpin at Dundrod you were so close you didn't need a long lens even if you had one. At that time the longest lens I had was a 135mm and it was not until the 1960s I moved up to 200mm and above.
The banks were quite high so you were in no great danger but these were different times, you know.
Indeed it was so long ago I said it was Behra driving the car when of course it was Luigi Musso. This car, I believe, is still owned by Dudley Mason Styrron.
#21
Posted 22 February 2008 - 14:58
But it is still a great picture from a time(danger or not) that will never ever return !! Graham :still
#22
Posted 22 February 2008 - 16:36
I think he passed it on to Hugh Taylor about five years agoOriginally posted by Graham Gauld
This car, I believe, is still owned by Dudley Mason Styrron.
And if Stan Patterson looks at this thread, he'll recognise it as the ex-Doug Whiteford car
#24
Posted 22 February 2008 - 21:08
Graham, Bjoern,Originally posted by Graham Gauld
Bjorn,
Just to keep you happy here is Behra. Note taken from the same position. Also note that he too had a 300S with a trident on the nose. He was later to crash and lose his ear !
both cars are the shortnose version of the 300S. Behra had chassis #3055 (today with Hugh Taylor) and the Musso-car was its sister, chassis #3054 (today with Jose Albuquerque). The Trident-logo on their nosees was a standart specification. Both cars had been modified by the Factory to longnose version over the winter 1955/56.
Great photos Graham! Watch out my 300S-book that hopefully comes out later this year!
Ciao!
Walter.
#25
Posted 23 February 2008 - 06:40
#26
Posted 23 February 2008 - 07:17
Sandown Park Melbourne March 1962 . Other car is Tom Sulman Lotus Eleven
#27
Posted 23 February 2008 - 08:26
John,Originally posted by John Ellacott
Another photo of 3055 from the time when we had two of these wonderfull cars down under.
Sandown Park Melbourne March 1962 . Other car is Tom Sulman Lotus Eleven
great photos! Thanks for sharing. #3055 was more modified to "semi-longnose"-specs. by the Factory. It was in a poor state when it came back to Europe and it took a long resto to get it back on its wheels. IMO its today the only 300S that is painted in its correct Maserati "Rosso Corsa"-color (more a red-orange than a red!).(':clap:')
Ciao!
Walter
#28
Posted 23 February 2008 - 11:13
#29
Posted 23 February 2008 - 11:18
#30
Posted 23 February 2008 - 11:51
Originally posted by John Ellacott
Bathurst October 1960, Doug Whiteford in 3055 in a bit of trouble
Comparing the stripe on the bitumen in the second pic to the lack of stripe in this one, yes, I'd say Doug had his hands full. Any idea what the problem was?
#31
Posted 23 February 2008 - 12:56
I assume that one of the drive-shafts broke. It was a common problem with the 300S/250F. I also had that bad experience when I drove #3056 in Nothern Italy some years ago. During the restoration of #3055 in England it was found that the original shafts had been replaced in Australia.Originally posted by John Ellacott
As Whiteford stands by his car the ex Moss Maserati 300S 3059 driven by Bob Jane comes by.
Very nice photos -again! Thanks John!
Ciao!
Walter
#32
Posted 24 February 2008 - 06:56
Also great from John of Oz pictures , in the still pictures I couldnt resist looking at those typical 1950 (in Europe) transport trailers !
#33
Posted 28 February 2008 - 13:09
#34
Posted 28 February 2008 - 15:16
Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
OK , no luck then , how about a picture or hint to one of Bojnnier in Camoradis T61 at Karlskoga in 1960 ?
Svensk Motor Tidning, September 1, 1960, pg 29; and "Motor", "Nr 33 1960", "26 Aug", on pages 18 & 19.
#35
Posted 29 February 2008 - 06:21
Please readers , read post 1 & 4 ? Any more help ?
#36
Posted 16 April 2008 - 04:47
????????? Please let me now or tell on the Racing models in 1/87 scale thread !
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Posted 26 April 2008 - 14:26
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Posted 26 April 2008 - 16:29
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 18:58
#41
Posted 04 June 2008 - 14:18
The book Toulo de Graffenried is a must for Maserati collectors or lovers !
Also Karl Ludvigsens new Red Hot rivals is very good : 336 pages , glazed paper lots of pictures and a very interesting text............. and while you are at it get his Classic Grand Prix cars at an undecently low price too !
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 19:12
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 17:28
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 17:55
#49
Posted 22 July 2010 - 19:01
The fact according to my research was that Maserati got out of their trouble all by themselves by selling out and reorganizing and did not receive help from anyone.
(Also they did never recieve promised money from the government, as opposed to Ferrari. )
Not to say that I know all fact or the truth..............
Edited by Bjørn Kjer, 23 July 2010 - 04:27.