Originally posted by BorderReiver
He's got the McLaren seat ;) .
Yeah probably quite litterally only a seat. In some kind of F1 vintage auction ;)
Posted 01 October 2007 - 17:01
Originally posted by BorderReiver
He's got the McLaren seat ;) .
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 17:02
Posted 01 October 2007 - 17:07
Originally posted by pacificquay
Ridiculous as it may seem, I think there is actually a possibility of that.
Posted 01 October 2007 - 17:09
Originally posted by Frans
that's a great time to throw a PARTYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Schumacher-less F1 ...... BRING it ON!
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 17:53
Originally posted by HoldenRT
I don't understand your perspective talking about wins. The only people that expect all of the drivers to win are ones that don't understand the sport, or don't follow it etc.
In a season there is usually only 4 drivers that have machinery capable of winning. The rest are left to battle it out between themselves, and try and impress with their performances. Whether that be someone like Sato or Sutil stealing 8th place and a point or someone like Nico getting lots of 7th places.
The point is impressing with good performances, not winning. And Ralf failed. You can be in a Spyker or STR and still impress like Vettel did. Ralf failed. And from 2005 to now, he's got progressively worse and worse. The number of times he missed Q2 in the last 2 seasons, the amount of silly incidents, he did have a couple good drives but they were so rare. Probably only 2-3 in the last 2 years. Even in 05 in those first few races where Trulli got 2nd places, Ralf was nowhere in comparison. I don't care about his salary his performances were flat out dissappointing, alot worse then Fisi.
Originally posted by Bruce
I loved his quote "I was hoping for a more competitive car"
I think that Toyota were hoping for a more competitive driver...
Posted 01 October 2007 - 17:59
Originally posted by Bruce
Given the amount of money that Toyota were paying him, I think that they could have expected a competitive driver - instead, they got someone who had great difficulty beating his vastly less well-paid team-mate.
If Ralfie's career is over, he has no one to blame but himself. He signed with them, knowing what the team was, and he took their money without complaint.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 18:04
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 18:59
Originally posted by brunopascal
Good for Toyota that Ralf is leaving, he's been underperforming for long now.
Had it been Alonso in Toyota instead in 2005, he could probably have won 1 or 2 races. The car was pretty competitive in some races that year.
Posted 01 October 2007 - 19:06
Agreed on that. Like those 2, Ralf is very experienced and there is little doubt he is a good bit faster, especially compared to the way Wurz is struggling this year.Originally posted by IMHO
I think most people in F1 with the power to make such decisions would take Ralf over PdlR or Wurz in a heartbeat. He still has a chance to get a decent seat for next year. He is a proven race winner. Whether he still has the fire and desire in him is another question all together.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 20:28
And I said I don't understand this perspective. That winning is the be all and end all. Do you think Sutil or Nico are being payed to win?Originally posted by Gilles4Ever
I said "if he had a car as competitive as the Williams he drove, he would have won races." wtf have other drivers and their abilities got to do with it? Do you deny that had that Toyota been as competitive as the Williams he won in that he wouldn't have won races in it?
Yes, but in a car that is midfield at best Ralf has sucked and there is no excuse for that. It doesn't matter what Ralf would be doing if he was in a McLaren because he is not. He is in a Toyota, and has to acheive the best results possible for them. Even if that's 8ths and 9ths instead of 1st to 4ths. You might be right about some of his races where he is handicapped by a bad grid position, but what about the rookie errors, like hitting Sakon last week or causing the incident at Indy this year in turn 1?In a car that was capable of winning, Ralf won! The way you seem to categorise drivers who have "failed" I would say that it leaves the door open to say half the drivers in the field are failures.
Ralf has truly sucked this year, especially in qualifying, his races havent been all that bad really, considering where he has started compared to trulli and where he has finished compared to Trulli.
Trulli STILL IS a competitive driver. Ralf was and still is occasionally.. sometimes he does very good drives, but not nearly as often and it's gotten worse and worse as more time has gone on. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you are talking about Toyota not having won.. but if you are measuring the drivers it's not about winning, it's about putting in solid drives. Unless you are in the McLaren or Ferrari. The results sheet might say that one driver scored more points (like earlier in the season when Wurz had more then Nico) but we as fans can still look at it and say that Nico has easily outdriven him. When people say Ralf wasn't competitive it's not because he hasn't won with Toyota. It's because he's put in alot of subpar performances. He didn't maximise the potential of the car regularly. That's his job as a driver.I think Ralf and Trulli were competitive drivers, probably still are and its not their skills that have not allowed Toyota to win. To say Toyota were hoping for a more competitive driver is IMO, crap. They got the two most competitive drivers they could, at the time Ralf was fairly hot property. Toyota havent won, not because of uncompetitive drivers, but because of uncompetitive cars.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 20:52
Originally posted by F575 GTC
If he's not sticking with F1 i doubt he'd got to the DTM; with all the utter nonsense going on between Audi and Mercedes in that, i couldn't see him going for that.
Posted 01 October 2007 - 20:54
Originally posted by Bruce
I should get out my old magazines and find the article where that twit Peter Windsor suggested that between them the Schumacher brothers would win 12 or 13 WDC....
Posted 01 October 2007 - 21:09
Originally posted by holiday
Still by far the most successful brothers in formula 1
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With the money earned at Toyota he could buy himself a seat in Spyker thenOriginally posted by gaheir
the financial aspect is far less important than the chance of being involved in the development of a car and being successful afterwards.
He is basically saying I dont need money, give me a seat!
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 23:36
Originally posted by pkenny
I noticed that yesterday he parked his car but was then sent back out, this might have been the camel that broke the straw's back.
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 07:22
Originally posted by Juan Kerr
Ralf has a great positive attitude he is always smiling at PR events and always gives positive interviews without bitching about anyone,
Posted 02 October 2007 - 10:33
Originally posted by stevewf1
I like this quote:
"For me, the financial aspect is far less important than the chance of being involved in the development of a car and being successful afterwards."
Easy for him to say after getting what, $60 million or so from Toyota over the last 3 years?
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 17:08
Originally posted by stevewf1
I like this quote:
"For me, the financial aspect is far less important than the chance of being involved in the development of a car and being successful afterwards."
Easy for him to say after getting what, $60 million or so from Toyota over the last 3 years?
Posted 02 October 2007 - 17:14
Originally posted by djellison
You must be talking about someone else. That's the absolute opposite of Ralf. Anyone who saw him at Goodwood a few years ago would know that.
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 19:50
Very true! Michael drove because he absolutely loves and lives for driving. Ralf drove because when they were kids everyone said he had more talent than Michael, so he drove because it was a way to make a living, not because he lives to drive, he drives to live. I feel.Originally posted by Jerome.Inen
I think that Ralf was a very good driver... but I always had the feeling his motivation was not innerly driver, but exterior. It happens with a lot of musicians and sportsmen. A couple of years ago, Wayne Ferreira, one of the best tennisplayers South Africa ever had, if not the best, retired and said: 'I never loved playing. I just was that good at it.'
That is the same feeling I've always had about Ralf Schumacher.
Posted 02 October 2007 - 19:54
Originally posted by Jerome.Inen
I think that Ralf was a very good driver... but I always had the feeling his motivation was not innerly driver, but exterior. It happens with a lot of musicians and sportsmen. A couple of years ago, Wayne Ferreira, one of the best tennisplayers South Africa ever had, if not the best, retired and said: 'I never loved playing. I just was that good at it.'
That is the same feeling I've always had about Ralf Schumacher.
Posted 02 October 2007 - 20:37
Posted 02 October 2007 - 20:49
Originally posted by race addicted
Earlier there was some talk about Klien joining Toyota, but atleast in the news, that seems to have dried out a long time ago.
I'm still hoping for him though.
Posted 03 October 2007 - 10:21
Originally posted by race addicted
I hope he stays in F1 next year, racing. But I have a feeling he won't.... : I don't think he's a candidate for Williams and I strongly doubt he'd join Spyker or whatever they'll be called next year.
Posted 03 October 2007 - 10:24
Originally posted by Allexxis
99% of the time Ralf was simply a moving chicane and nothing special to even write home about.
Posted 03 October 2007 - 14:02
Originally posted by Jerome.Inen
Glock would be a stronger candidate, don't you think? Not more deserved perhaps, but stronger after his GP2 title.
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According to you Jos is attempting to get a mid-field car? What is there to cheer for?Originally posted by Frans
I hear rumours that Jos Verstappen's manager is in contact with Toyota.
Especially with the new regulations next year, this could be they're BEST move to move forwards!!!!!!!
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Posted 05 October 2007 - 07:14
Originally posted by Jerome.Inen
I think that Ralf was a very good driver... but I always had the feeling his motivation was not innerly driver, but exterior. It happens with a lot of musicians and sportsmen. A couple of years ago, Wayne Ferreira, one of the best tennisplayers South Africa ever had, if not the best, retired and said: 'I never loved playing. I just was that good at it.'
That is the same feeling I've always had about Ralf Schumacher.
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Posted 07 October 2007 - 11:09
Originally posted by Galko877
I'm not sure if RALF Schumacher's marketing value is really that big. Toyota obviously thought so and that's why they paid him so much but I can imagine they think now it was a mistake.
Ralf is not even big in Germany. A couple of years ago I saw a poll there in which he was voted the most popular German driver (even ahead of his brother!) but in the last couple of years in every popularity poll I saw he was dead last. If anything he is subject of mocking. Germans don't like the fact he is paid so much for so little.
I think his big salary (or better to say that he is showing so little for that) really cost him popularity. I don't think he would get so much criticism if he had the salary that Trulli has, for example.