Is it time for Max Mosley to go?

Originally posted by Jim Mango


How on earth do you come to that conclusion?

F1 is a political sport to the extreme. Someone who is generally admired and has to live up to that won't last two years at the helm. I would say a despicable but feared lawyer who's had to ignore what the press writes all his life is not such a bad choice. I was more worried when Schumi was on five in a row but the PR campaign of the British press during Spygate was rather pathetic and for everyone to see. MM's challenge is to deliver better racing which we have been promised for years and then to keep F1 relevant wrt new technology. Let's see if he can deliver those. If not he's out. MM's challenge is not to be popular or deliver a Brittish WDC.

Originally posted by Crashand
MM's challenge is to deliver better racing which we have been promised for years . . .

Uh, Max Mosley is the on who has been promising it for years and then making rules up that make better racing near impossible. How many f*ffing chances are you going to give the guy????

What the sport needs is an impartial arbitrator who can deal with the politics and also understand that the teams will forever know far more than them as to what can make racing better - and can work with them to make it a reality. i.e. not Max.

Originally posted by Crashand
MM's challenge is to deliver better racing which we have been promised for years and then to keep F1 relevant wrt new technology. Let's see if he can deliver those.

Max Mosley has been FIA President since 1993. How long should he be given to achieve those aims?

Originally posted by Maldwyn

Max Mosley has been FIA President since 1993. How long should he be given to achieve those aims?

Well he must be a raceist then.

Edit: I'd see let's see how the ECU and aero regulation changes go. I see the restrictions on the engine development as then end of the combustion engine.

Originally posted by Crashand

Edit: I'd see let's see how the ECU and aero regulation changes go. I see the restrictions on the engine development as then end of the combustion engine.

In the same vein as sit and see how the tyre regs go and every other myriad of concept that Max has helped F1 with in 15 years? Come on dude.

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
In the same vein as sit and see how the tyre regs go and every other myriad of concept that Max has helped F1 with in 15 years? Come on dude.

There's this guy I know. He isn't as tall as Max but heard he's pretty good and looking for a job.

Originally posted by Buttoneer

Wiki on the Make Roads Safe campaign.

The aims of the campaign appear to be less aimed at the green cross code or tufty club end of the market but making sure that developing companies give due regard for road safety as they put their new and uprated infrastructures in place. It's all about lobbying rather than lokking left and right as you cross.

Well many roads here in Asia still are 'holy roads', if you get the joke. If you want to improve roads here, then first you have to look at corruption in those contractors and then at DUI (as almost anywhere). And I doubt that the FiA is the proper instance to deal with those issues on all accounts.

Besides all of this, I'm always astonished that young and old here where I live just drive into roads without looking left or right. And what has been the response so far? Instead of improving driver education, the government requires now that when you buy a car you have a valid driver license.

Great lobbing job as usual from the FiA?

I can tolerate Bernie to some extent, but Max is nothing but a turkey and needs to be relieved of his current position. Pinheads such as Max are part of what's wrong with the sport.

Long overdue .....

MM's unpopularity is due to him having had a crack at every F1 institution except Ferrari and Bernie.
His dad according to Wikipedia was an ardent follower of Mussolini (there I didn't use the F word!). If the contempt many have for him was for making HARD decisions then that would be the wrong reason to get rid of him. It's for being inconsistent and vindictive that he will be rembered, a shame after early successes in the role he rightly seized from JM Balestre. Credit where due he was good, stayed too long, crapped on most of the living room furniture and thumbed his nose at the people who helped make F1.... er, almost great!

I would far prefer Bernie for all his bare-faced greed. I believe he is still held in high regard by the Williamses, Dennises et all who share good open and frank conversation. Could the same be said for the Mose?

Maybe he'll ban McLaren in 2008 and retire with a bang!

Max is turning F1 into a series. He should go if there is anyone that wants to reverse this course.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/63720
"Mosley not thinking of retirement yet "

Bugger.

Originally posted by djellison
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/63720
"Mosley not thinking of retirement yet "

Bugger.

Thats exactly what I love about Max. His dry sense of humour. Of course he´s planning to go when his present term ends, only, he´s not going to say so until the bitter end. He wants Ron to stew in it for as long as possible.

he wont want to loose influence, thats why hes saying that. i think its time he stepped down tho, 15years? at the top, 67?years old. just go enjoy your retirement dude

Grandprix.com has a news feature dated back to 1991 which I found couple of years ago. I particularly like the part of Senna's outburst where he is comparing Mosley to Balestre:

'We have got to have fair decisions. I believe that now we have that possibility with the new management in the sporting authority. I really believe that and we should work together as a whole to make a better image. If we have a better atmosphere it makes life more enjoyable.

'In the drivers' briefing today there was no theatre. It was a proper, professional job. When Max (Mosley) stood up to say just a few words he was sensible, intelligent and he was fair. I think anyone there was happy because there was no bulls**t and no people saying stupid things.'

Max being sensible, intelligent and fair... It has been so long ago. :

There you go. Senna sez no.

1991? It doesn't take too long for dementia to really become apparent in the behaviour of an individual.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Oswald_Mosley

" [Oswald Mosley and Diana Mitford] married in secret in 1936, in the Berlin home of Nazi chief Joseph Goebbels. Adolf Hitler was one of the guests. By Diana Mitford, he had two sons: Alexander (b. 1938) and Max Mosley (b. 1940), who is president of the FIA."



In good company then, Max.

are you absolutely sure anybody is much influenced by his/her parents wedding guests?
especially somebody born 4 years after the wedding

my word 8/10 people think he should go !

Originally posted by BlackCat
are you absolutely sure anybody is much influenced by his/her parents wedding guests?
especially somebody born 4 years after the wedding

I would argue in some cases people are influenced by their parents (probably more than not). Mosley's parents appeared to idolise and keep the company of Adolf Hitler.

Im not in anyway saying Max is a Nazi. It's just an amazing connection.

Is this forum owned by Bernie or a subsidiary or something? Cause my post talking about how and why Bernie boy should be removed and the corrupt elements of the FIA ruling body, my post magically vanished. If not, I'd like the removal explained.

Originally posted by Tenmantaylor
Mosley's parents appeared to idolise and keep the company of Adolf Hitler.

Im not in anyway saying Max is a Nazi. It's just an amazing connection.

Max's parents were married in Berlin in the late '30s. Of only six guests who were present, two were Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebels. Oswald was voted the worst Britain of the 20th century in a BBC pole. http://news.bbc.co.u...ews/4560716.stm

Still, sins of the father and all that. . . Not Max's fault at all. Those facts alone probably wouldn't have killed his British political career. Until one learns that Max himself was involved in his father's post-war fascist political organization, the Union Movement. I believe Max even started to run for office under its banner.

Had he not be so involved with his father's fascist political organization, Formula One probably wouldn't be stuck with Max, the British Houses of Parliament would. I suspect Max finds F1 a poor substitute for proper British politics and would trade jobs in an instant. But he has about as much chance of winning a UK election as he does of being granted British honors. A laurel so many of his nemesis in the sport have already received. A fact that will probably irk him until the day he dies.

I think that all discussions about "Mosley"'s competence, etc., totally miss the mark. From watching his antics, I have come to the conclusion that the only sensible explanation is that the "Mosley" persona, and possibly the FIA as a whole, are part of an elaborate situationist prank by Malcolm McLaren.

If you think about it, it's actually pretty obvious from the numerous puns hidden in the names alone, but final proof is in the photos:


"Max Mosley"


Malcolm McLaren

Originally posted by random

But he has about as much chance of winning a UK election as he does of being granted British honors. A laurel so many of his nemesis in the sport have already received. A fact that will probably irk him until the day he dies.

I'd wager that he rather enjoys the thought that this years manoeuvring might ensure that one particular Commander of the British Empire won't be upgraded.

Can you blame Max Mosley if he is biased against a guy who comes close to destroying the competition he is in either by malevolence or incompetence and not regarding the fact that he has been under-performing for years. It is Ron Dennis who should take his leave not the president of the FIA.

Originally posted by Crashand
Can you blame Max Mosley if he is biased against a guy who comes close to destroying the competition he is in either by malevolence or incompetence and not regarding the fact that he has been under-performing for years. It is Ron Dennis who should take his leave not the president of the FIA.

The President of the FIA is not supposed to be biased towards or against anybody. He is supposed to be impartial. He's anything but impartial - in fact he has done more to destroy what little goodwill there is in motorsport than anybody else.

In response to your other statement - there is ****-all malevolence or incompetence from Ron Dennis. He's achieved a lot in a successful way and has not under-performed. If you want under-performance try looking at a red team who took 21 years to get a title.

Who could replace Max ??

A monkey with a loaded shotgun.

Originally posted by Keir
Who could replace Max ??

A monkey with a loaded shotgun.

I think Jackie Stewart should.

Seriously.

Basically put up, or shutup.

How about Ian Mills, the gut that the FIA appointed to defend Mclaren. Looking at his employment history Sports Lawyer, and at the transcripts he seemed very fair. He even didn’t allow McMerc to look at some stuff so not to incriminate them further.

The only question is if he is wealthy enough, the FIA president is a unpaid position and max is exceedingly rich so it doesn’t really bother him.

Originally posted by Tenmantaylor
http://en.wikipedia....i/Oswald_Mosley

" [Oswald Mosley and Diana Mitford] married in secret in 1936, in the Berlin home of Nazi chief Joseph Goebbels. Adolf Hitler was one of the guests. By Diana Mitford, he had two sons: Alexander (b. 1938) and Max Mosley (b. 1940), who is president of the FIA."



In good company then, Max.

Yes apart from the Goebbels family only guests at the wedding were Hitler & Eva.

When Max's mother was arrested in 1940 she hid Hitler's sign photograph under Max's cot mattress

Max was still active in his fathers party as a prospective candidate for Salford East until the run up to the October 1964 election, Max was 24 at this point and had just qualified as a barrister (connection ?), Max has always claimed he turned his back on his fathers party but the truth is after the October 1964 it sank without trace by 1966 is ceased to exist and Max's father and mother were in Paris. In Paris the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were close neighbours and the exiled couple frequently socialised.

Most of the inside info on the Mosley family came from a biography of Oswald Mosley written by Max's half brother Nicholas Mosley ( 3rd Baron Ravensdale, 7th Baronet). Nicholas Mosley served his country fighting in Italy in WW2 and was a harsh critic of his father, the biography he wrote pulled no punches and was the basis of the Channel 4 docudrama "Mosley".

Originally posted by Mika Mika
How about Ian Mills, the gut that the FIA appointed to defend Mclaren. Looking at his employment history Sports Lawyer, and at the transcripts he seemed very fair. He even didn’t allow McMerc to look at some stuff so not to incriminate them further.

The only question is if he is wealthy enough, the FIA president is a unpaid position and max is exceedingly rich so it doesn’t really bother him.

Max wasn't always exceedingly rich ---- Ok some of his money must be inherited Mittford money but ?

Originally posted by kar


I think Jackie Stewart should.

Seriously.

Basically put up, or shutup.

Istr Sir Jackie is as good with a shot gun as he was in a car.

Jackie would be ideal or Niki Lauda or Jackie Ickx with another experience F1 person assisting the president somebody like Paul Stoddart or David Coulthard or MB

Originally posted by britishtridentMax wasn't always exceedingly rich ---- Ok some of his money must be inherited Mittford money but ?

Sorry but max is mega rich...
http://forums.autosp...h rankings 2006
He has never made money from being FIA president.

Yes, Max is rich.

But there have been suggestions that he came into a lot of his money since his time at the FIA.

Good investments? Bernie? Who knows... I do recall a joint interview with Max and Bernie a year or two ago. Max tried to cry poor, but Bernie laughingly nudged Max about his wealth.

I'm fairly certain he has spent most of the last 15 years in relative tax havens. But without tax filings, there's little to tell how much he's worth or where exactly it came from.

An annoying thing about Max is he has been rambling on that Ferrari have been in F1 longer than any other team.
Ferrari have been in GP racing 1950 and old man Ferarri did other GP teams pre WW2, however Mercedes and Renault go back more than 100 years in Grand Prix history.

Mercedes got back into GP racing as soon as they were no longer persona no gratta after WW2 but pulled out of GP racing at the end 1954 for a very good reason (they innocently involved in terrible Le Mans disaster).

Also both McLaren and Honda have F1 histories that go back 40 years.

How long can Mosley hang on ?

Two months ?
Six Months ?
A year ?
Two years ? ---- please NO

Until the allies mount a full invasion.

Today could be the nail in the coffin, but I doubt it.

Originally posted by ATM_Andy
Jeremy Clarkson would make a good president... :

Would it be any different ?

He's populated the WMSC with cronies and changed the rules to make it nigh impossible for him to be ousted. Sadly he's unlikely to be driven out... but that doesn't mean that McLaren Mercedes shouldn't embarrass him at every opportunity!

Hello everyone,

I won't talk too much in my first post (possibly the last too) but only quote my recent findings and let you draw your own conclusions. You got to know my opinion through my fake images Ciro frequently linked in this forum and therefore I won't bother you with what I think since you already know that. Persistence of some people who deeply disagree with me about the essence because they ignore it for the sake of form, made me dig a little bit deeper the other day. Fortunately, what I've found only confirmed what I suspected all the time. Now I'm sharing it with you for the sake of truth.

Former fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley has been assaulted at a rally in London's east end.

He and members of his anti-Semitic Blackshirt group were punched to the ground as soon as his meeting opened at Ridley Road, Dalston.

Police were forced to close the meeting within three minutes and made 54 arrests - including Sir Oswald's son Max. http://news.bbc.co.u...000/2776295.stm

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Mosley was an election agent for his father's post-war party, the Union Movement, which used racial scaremongering in making immigration its core issue.

Former neo-nazi Trevor Grundy described in his memoirs how he and Max Mosley helped the latter's father to stir up racial tension in the run-up to and during the 1959 General Election campaign, when Mosley sr. stood in Notting Hill. Grundy alleged that Max Mosley, with his brother Alex, canvassed among local Teddy Boys, posed for the Daily Mirror as upper-class "Teds" and organised fascist skiffle gigs. Grundy also wrote that he and Max Mosley spread the fascist graffiti Keep Britain White.

The motor racing journalist Alan Henry, in his book Driving Forces (1992), describes the younger Mosley as one of his father's "right-hand men" at the time of a violent incident in 1962, when the fascist leader was knocked down by a mob in London on his way to address a meeting and was saved from serious injury by his son's intervention. As a result of his involvement in this fracas, Mosley junior was arrested and charged with threatening behaviour, being cleared at Old Street Magistrates' Court on the grounds that he was trying to protect his father.

The archived papers of the Indian Workers' Association contain press cuttings of disputes surrounding invitations to Max Mosley to speak at Birmingham University in both 1963 (page 120) and 1964 (page 123), when his invitation was cancelled.

Max Mosley was for a time the Union Movement's prospective candidate for the Salford East constituency but withdrew shortly before the 1964 General Election.

Also during the early 1960s, English newspapers linked Mosley to the neo-fascist Organisation de l'armée secrète (OAS) which was involved in the Algerian War. http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Max_Mosley

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Mosley’s sons Alex and Max (the future Formula 1 motor racing leader) canvassed among them, posing for the Daily Mirror as actual upper-class Teds. As the Mosley Youth leader, Grundy fought a losing battle for the hearts and minds of the Teds, with Elvis. ‘The Wizard’ pimp/fascist character, representing ‘the dark side of the teenage dream’ in ‘Absolute Beginners’, was based on youths who told the press: “So a darkie gets chivved, why all the fuss?… Come back tomorrow night, mister, for the next instalment.” Whereas the first and worst local graffiti, ‘Keep Britain White’; initialised as ‘KBW’, and accompanied by Mosley's flash and circle symbol; was by fascist youths like Grundy and Max Mosley, not local Teds.
http://www.portobell...lk-vague01.html

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my fake pic:

MoSSley was here

Look guys, I´m retired, never been in politics, aren´t a lawyer, respect all the views on here, and would like a nice cushy job. Does anyone know where I can get an application form?
No, I´m dead serious.
Well, just as serious as the guy who suggested Jacky Stewart anyway.

People don't or maybe can't handle the truth about Max Mosley.

Originally posted by Juan Kerr
my word 8/10 people think he should go !

It's really distressing to see that 20% of the voters are rating the job done by Max Mosley as being good and fair.

Mosley should have gone years ago. He didn't leave, and he will not leave until Ecclestone leaves.
He's the president by the grace of Bernie.

Originally posted by britishtrident
An annoying thing about Max is he has been rambling on that Ferrari have been in F1 longer than any other team.
Ferrari have been in GP racing 1950 and old man Ferarri did other GP teams pre WW2, however Mercedes and Renault go back more than 100 years in Grand Prix history.

Mercedes got back into GP racing as soon as they were no longer persona no gratta after WW2 but pulled out of GP racing at the end 1954 for a very good reason (they innocently involved in terrible Le Mans disaster).

Also both McLaren and Honda have F1 histories that go back 40 years.

1955 was the Le Mans disaster btw

Renault first won a grand Prix in 1906
*Fiat first won a Grand Prix in 1907 (so has far more GP history than the company it part owns)
Mercedes first won a Grand Prix in 1914
Ferrari in 1951 and contrary to popular opinion they were NOT at the first world championship GP starting at the second
Honda in 1965
McLaren in 1968
Williams in 1979
BMW in 1982 as an engine manufacturer

Toyota, Red Bull, Toro Rosso, Spyker Force India myjig and Super aguri obviously haven't

maybe Balestre (or his grandparents) had a thing about Napoleon? so f@cking what? it takes certain kind of people to become leaders of big organizations - and usually they are not the nice guys its pleasant to drink beer with. because the nice guys just do not manage with responsibilities.

and i'm not supporting Mosley - btw WRC is imo f@cked up much worse than F1. i'm just reminding you that voting on bulletin boards has absolutely no influence on real world. this thread has been up for some time now. has anybody found time to step into his country's FIA office and told there how the organization should be run?

Originally posted by britishtrident
How long can Mosley hang on ?

Two months ?
Six Months ?
A year ?
Two years ? ---- please NO

do you think the result of the Renault case may have a bearing on this?

Originally posted by BlackCat
maybe Balestre (or his grandparents) had a thing about Napoleon? so f@cking what? it takes certain kind of people to become leaders of big organizations - and usually they are not the nice guys its pleasant to drink beer with. because the nice guys just do not manage with responsibilities.

and i'm not supporting Mosley - btw WRC is imo f@cked up much worse than F1. i'm just reminding you that voting on bulletin boards has absolutely no influence on real world. this thread has been up for some time now. has anybody found time to step into his country's FIA office and told there how the organization should be run?

"so f@cking what"?!

How can a fascist and racist who wrote Keep Britain White all over London be trusted in governing multi-racial and multi-cultural sport as F1 is?!

Nice that you've mentioned BaleSStre who didn't "had a thing about Napolen" but actually was a member of Waffen SS during WWII. I guess that was just accidental similarity with MoSSley's personal and family background (please read my previous post carefully).

http://www.feldgrau....icles.php?ID=77

In July 1943, 30 young NSKK, lead by Jean-Marie Balestre, desert and join the Waffen SS. All, NSKK and Waffen SS will fight till the end in their units. Their complete history is still to be written.

He never denied being member of Waffen SS but added that he had gone there as undercover resistance member. No one else ever confirmed his claims.

Mad Max warns that Hamilton's success/domination will be bad for F1 (he never said that about Schuey) and yet he has no problem in fact that Bahrain authorities and GP organizers prohibit F1 team member who are citizens of Israel to enter their land and participate in GP. As a president of FIA he should have canceled Bahrain GP unless they allow every team member regardless on race, religion or nationality to participate in it. He didn't even raised his voice against that. Teams who aren't allowed to bring along all of their members were treated unjustly by FIA.

What kind of president of FIA is he when he takes no sanctions against GP organizer who prohibits participation in a GP of team members who are not in accordance with their fanatical religious beliefs?

Bahrain GP exists despite the fact that on that GP teams with Israeli members have to prepare and race without all people they need and under shameful knowledge that their "unfaithful" members had to stay at home. How those people feel themselves probably reminds on 1930s Germany when their rights were cut at first. Herr MoSSley has no problem with that but he has a big problem with Hamilton's success.

Is that a fair sport? No. Even Hitler was fairer because he allowed even the "lower race" to participate and triumph in 1936 Olympics (Jesse Owens). In a championship governed by K.B.W writer the fairness is much lower than in 1936 Olympics. Of course, Hitler could have acted like Bahrain authorities but he knew that if he prohibits participation of "lower race" in his Olympics they'd be canceled and boycotted because the Olympic committee had moral, dignity and sense about human rights unlike FIA. That was to remind you 70 years ago.

No one has ever brought sport in dispute so many times as the guy who was supposed to protect it from such happenings.

You can't be a fascist and a racist, have police record for behaving aggressively as a fascist a racist, spreading racist graffiti Keep Britain White aimed against people like Lewis Hamilton and be on top of the FIA.

So I'm not even talking about his parents and relatives. I'm talking about him and his own fascism and racism. He was the one responsible for those very graffiti, probably even wrote them himself. If that's so, than how can such person be on top on sport where you have different races and cultures? He is in conflict of interest because he is racist governing the multi-racial sport. No one sane can expect someone who once wrote K.B.W to treat Lewis Hamilton equally as other drivers.

Would you leave a dog to guard a sausage?