Madness! The orange McLaren cars are beautiful!Originally posted by Showty
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2008 ugly car of the year award
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 00:03
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 03:30
I think the Ferrari's Marlboro white and red slashes quite offensive, as I think tobacco is a killer and its advertising is supposed to be banned in many parts of the FIA's world. An otherwise beautiful paint job, I hate it because of the Marlboro branding.
The chrome treatment on the McLaren's has transformed the car into a "Chrome Arrow" which is not nice IMO, I'd like the silver or aluminium look to return IMO.
If I was an F1 designer, I'd have the basic car made with transparent gelcoats, thereby showing off the fibres in the composites. Although they are mostly black, I still think it would be cool. And I'd do special paint jobs during the year, depending on the country and maybe some other reasons. I always loved the BMW art race cars - I wish BMW would do some of them. Why not commission local artists for various countries?
The RBR is a good colour on a still pic, but I suspect you need a good TV to recognise the clever paint job during a race.
F1 race cars also need to look different from each other - last year there was a car that looked a bit like the McLaren - I hated that. So, I very much like the Honda, because its easy to recognize on the track. It used to look too much like the Toyota.
The chrome treatment on the McLaren's has transformed the car into a "Chrome Arrow" which is not nice IMO, I'd like the silver or aluminium look to return IMO.
If I was an F1 designer, I'd have the basic car made with transparent gelcoats, thereby showing off the fibres in the composites. Although they are mostly black, I still think it would be cool. And I'd do special paint jobs during the year, depending on the country and maybe some other reasons. I always loved the BMW art race cars - I wish BMW would do some of them. Why not commission local artists for various countries?
The RBR is a good colour on a still pic, but I suspect you need a good TV to recognise the clever paint job during a race.
F1 race cars also need to look different from each other - last year there was a car that looked a bit like the McLaren - I hated that. So, I very much like the Honda, because its easy to recognize on the track. It used to look too much like the Toyota.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 05:43
What a design nightmare.............it's easier to make the things go fast than it is to make them look good doing it. (It's kind of like trying to make a billboard attractive.) I think McLaren and Ferrari have lapped the field with their base colors, and until the other teams are able to "creatively retaliate" the race is lost (kinda like the actual deal). So, I guess I can't really pick a worst..............except...............the Honda. What a grand idea, not exactly working at 150mph+???? (do you think they can really change after taking that kind of marketing/image position)
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 06:33
Originally posted by oneGurneyfan
What a design nightmare.............it's easier to make the things go fast than it is to make them look good doing it. (It's kind of like trying to make a billboard attractive.) I think McLaren and Ferrari have lapped the field with their base colors, and until the other teams are able to "creatively retaliate" the race is lost (kinda like the actual deal). So, I guess I can't really pick a worst..............except...............the Honda. What a grand idea, not exactly working at 150mph+???? (do you think they can really change after taking that kind of marketing/image position)
So this is the solid colour argument.
For 2007, the the team colours layouts were, if you can view Autosport graphics:
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Renault, blue orange white, main sponsor (ING) look:
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Ferrari, red and main sponsor (Marlboro) decal look red white stripe:
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Mclaren, chrome silver and Red sponsor (Vodaphone) look:
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Honda, various green/blue look:
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BMW Sauber, White with some blue and red trim:
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Toyota, White and Red with some blue main sponsor (Panasonic):
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Williams, Blue and white with main sponsors Lenovo and RBS:
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Red Bull, Blue with blue, red and white trim, its main sponsor being itself in red logo:
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Toro Rosso, Blue and red with white trim, its main sponsor being itself in the English Red Bull logo:
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Spyker as it was - Orange, now Force India and I don't recall what the colour will be :
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Super Aguri, I think it was grey?
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Feel free to correct what actually happened.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 08:47
Originally posted by Melbourne Park
Why not commission local artists for various countries?
You know that is a perfect idea for F1. Surely the sponsors wont be so worried about their logo's looking perfect when there is routine coverage specifically aimed at what the car looks like each race. It would add so much more valuable coverage of their companys.
Back of the grid teams could really cash in from that.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 09:36
Originally posted by MichaelPM
You know that is a perfect idea for F1. Surely the sponsors wont be so worried about their logo's looking perfect when there is routine coverage specifically aimed at what the car looks like each race. It would add so much more valuable coverage of their companys.
Back of the grid teams could really cash in from that.
I remember back in the early BAR days that there was some FIA regulation stating that you could not dramatically vary your livery during the season.
I could have made all that up, but thats how i remember it?
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 10:15
Is this thread about the ugliest car (Ferrari) ugliest paint job (STR) or both?
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 12:03
Originally posted by Melbourne Park
So this is the solid colour argument.
For 2007, the the team colours layouts were, if you can view Autosport graphics:
IF you can view Autosport graphics ??? where would one find those ?
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 13:09
Although I've no doubt the Ferrari will be supremely effective, it ain't exactly gifted in the looks department.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 14:23
Originally posted by Mat
I remember back in the early BAR days that there was some FIA regulation stating that you could not dramatically vary your livery during the season.
I could have made all that up, but thats how i remember it?
I think it was more the two different cars in a team liveries they regulated against.
That's why BAR "zippered" both cars with different left/right livery.
Changes were never stopped, because BAR actually raced in some races with VERY different
livery, in Brazil and China notably 04 and 05 IIRC
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 14:36
Originally posted by Zarathustra
Madness! The orange McLaren cars are beautiful!
I think including orange in a livery destroys the cars capabilities. Look at Arrows, the MP4/21, (during winter tests), Spyker and last years Renault. Orange in F1 is just bad luck.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 14:41
A nice shade of Marlboro orange saw Ferrari have their longest run of success ever.Originally posted by Josta
I think including orange in a livery destroys the cars capabilities. Look at Arrows, the MP4/21, (during winter tests), Spyker and last years Renault. Orange in F1 is just bad luck.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 14:46
Originally posted by Buttoneer
A nice shade of Marlboro orange saw Ferrari have their longest run of success ever.
That wasn't orange. Just a slightly off red.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 14:49
The very definition of orange.Originally posted by Josta
That wasn't orange. Just a slightly off red.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 15:48
Yeah - people who haven't been to races called it orange. Those who got off their back sides to a few races can see it was red. That said, I do prefer the stronger red of 2007/8.Originally posted by Josta
That wasn't orange. Just a slightly off red.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 15:57
Why cant the ferraris go back to being Ferrari Red with black wings and gold wheels, infact why not just use the 1995 ferrari in its 1995 livery?
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 16:02
And I would say the same about McLaren....but it would be based on our respective allegiances rather than objectivity I believe.Originally posted by Owen
Although I've no doubt the Ferrari will be supremely effective, it ain't exactly gifted in the looks department.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 16:12
Originally posted by Certified Half-Wit
And I would say the same about McLaren....but it would be based on our respective allegiances rather than objectivity I believe.
But, of course!;) but you must admit the Ferrari nose is... different.
As I say, sure it's devastatingly quick.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 16:35
Indeed - I've never seen a nose look like it has more potential for tearing up the white lines since I saw Kate Moss loitering around with a credit card and a rolled-up tenner!Originally posted by Owen
But, of course!;) but you must admit the Ferrari nose is... different.
As I say, sure it's devastatingly quick.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 16:48
Wait until Force India use the Indian Flag colour theme.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 16:59
Have to say, hate those non-rotating wheel covers on the Ferrari which have a picture of a wheel painted on them.
I guess if they're aerodynamically superior everyone will be using them, but if so I wish they wouldn't try and make them look like something that they're not!
I guess if they're aerodynamically superior everyone will be using them, but if so I wish they wouldn't try and make them look like something that they're not!
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 21:32
Originally posted by macoran
IF you can view Autosport graphics ??? where would one find those ?
I think if you click on the graphics of each car, the address would be shown in the header. If you cannot see the graphic, then clicking on the icon should reveal the address. The graphics are from the autosport web site, which has such stuff.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 22:11
Have to say both the Ferrari (Fat Hammerhead) and the McLaren (Aardvark), are uglier than last years cars :-(.... Hope the BMW is nicer!!!
Oh and I hate the Wheel cap things too, the look stupid!
Oh and I hate the Wheel cap things too, the look stupid!
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 09:56
toyota looks just like the old one.
edit: actually, it doesn't. It is far more smoother, and back of the car actually looks good (at least from th the side). However, the painting has not changed.
another edit: well, back of the car does look good, but the wing still makes it look fat.
edit: actually, it doesn't. It is far more smoother, and back of the car actually looks good (at least from th the side). However, the painting has not changed.
another edit: well, back of the car does look good, but the wing still makes it look fat.
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 17:20
I'm actually pleasantly not-sickened by the Renault as well.
While they've stuck to the regurgitant yellow-white-orange-blue colour combo, they've at least managed to make it not look like a dog's breakfast.
Is the Williams black, or very very very very dark blue ?
While they've stuck to the regurgitant yellow-white-orange-blue colour combo, they've at least managed to make it not look like a dog's breakfast.
Is the Williams black, or very very very very dark blue ?
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 17:43
FW30 looks navy to me.
I think that the BMW is the best looking car out there so far this year, pending Honda's release.
I think that the BMW is the best looking car out there so far this year, pending Honda's release.
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 17:43
It's got a crazy 'pimp-my-ride' candy dark blue glossy sheen effect going on.
Thanks Frank, for Pimping My Ride.
Thanks Frank, for Pimping My Ride.
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 18:12
Is it just me, or is anyone else finding those vanes extending back along the length of the sidepods a most hideous appendage? The Williams seems to have one of the more extreme developments of the concept. Ugh. 
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 19:41
Originally posted by Scudetto
Is it just me, or is anyone else finding those vanes extending back along the length of the sidepods a most hideous appendage? The Williams seems to have one of the more extreme developments of the concept. Ugh.
The nose/front wing is even worse than that.
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 20:52
FW28 is one of the most beautiful Williams' cars I've seen. It's simple, but stylish, and I like the detail of the "adidas" stripes on the nose. It looks very ellegant and sporty.
As for Renault, it's a pity ING has such incompatible colours, they are really horrible, but they are Dutch so they "have" to carry orange. Anyway I preferred the 2006 one, it looked quite good.
The others, well I agree with most opinions. Ferrari is gorgeous as usual, I'm glad they left the dark red they used for a while last season. McLaren is not too original compared to last year, but it looks good, although I never liked silver too much for being too cold, I think last year I saw the car painted with some white and more red too in the pre-season and it was beautiful.
Toyota I'm afraid is awful, and I haven't seen any other.
As for Renault, it's a pity ING has such incompatible colours, they are really horrible, but they are Dutch so they "have" to carry orange. Anyway I preferred the 2006 one, it looked quite good.
The others, well I agree with most opinions. Ferrari is gorgeous as usual, I'm glad they left the dark red they used for a while last season. McLaren is not too original compared to last year, but it looks good, although I never liked silver too much for being too cold, I think last year I saw the car painted with some white and more red too in the pre-season and it was beautiful.
Toyota I'm afraid is awful, and I haven't seen any other.
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 21:01
Originally posted by Nitropower
FW28 one of the most beautifull Williams' cars I've seen. It's simple, but stylish, and I like the detail of the "adidas" stripes on the nose. It looks very ellegant and sporty.
This is the FW30 and the livery will change. All good so far though.
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 21:18
Ferrari could do with a livery change, same old, same old
McLaren have the stainless steel saucepan look
Toyota still red and white like the Japanese flag with a twist this year
BMW are blue and white andbland
Renault with a few more colour could be the new rainbow warrior but are not green
Williams are a livery's fan wet dream, what next???
McLaren have the stainless steel saucepan look
Toyota still red and white like the Japanese flag with a twist this year
BMW are blue and white andbland
Renault with a few more colour could be the new rainbow warrior but are not green
Williams are a livery's fan wet dream, what next???
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 21:38
All modern F1 cars are ugly... They look like crickets on steroids... 
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 00:16
Rip the livery off, and personally, I find them all ugly. Far too complex to be an attractive thing. Engineering brilliance, but not beautiful. A Core 2 Duo processor isn't beautiful - but the mechanical difference engine is.
I hope that the '09 or '10 rules eliminate the hideous over complexity of the bodywork
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I hope that the '09 or '10 rules eliminate the hideous over complexity of the bodywork
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 07:30
What blue is that?? Its wonderfully executed.Originally posted by BunnyK
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 07:41
You guys are going to be seriously disappointed with the 2008 Williams.
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 09:45
The twist being that there's no big red circle, just a blotch of scratchy redness in random places just like last year and the year before and the year before etc etc.Originally posted by Phucaigh
Toyota still red and white like the Japanese flag with a twist this year
Although I must admit that whoever posted the comment that the Renault looks like an F1 car in a clown suit almost had me sold on the idea of that one being the fugliest.
But no, the Toyota still wins. So far. Just need to see that Honda...
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 09:47
I am not sure if cars can get uglier than the new Renault. Even the new Ferrari is better looking!
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 17:50
C'mon
If a car is fast is is also beutiful.
For pure beaut we have to go back to the sixties.
That is my humble opinion
If a car is fast is is also beutiful.
For pure beaut we have to go back to the sixties.
That is my humble opinion
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:05
I think Honda will win this time. From the two images available it looks horrible.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:13
Originally posted by 3Sword
C'mon
If a car is fast is is also beutiful.
For pure beaut we have to go back to the sixties.
That is my humble opinion
I agree. Beauty in today's F1 means speed. And further, if its slow, its not only ugly, but its dumb as well.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:17
And Honda take it 
It looks like a crash between an '07 BMW and an '07 Honda that no one could be bothered to clear up.
Doug
It looks like a crash between an '07 BMW and an '07 Honda that no one could be bothered to clear up.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:42
Well, I hope all of you tasteless ***** who complained about the Honda scheme last year are satisfied. The most original, intriguing and imagination-expanding scheme F1 has seen for a very very very long time scrapped for a dog's breakfast of pig's ear. I hold each one of you personally responsible and shall be suing for punitive damages accordingly for the offence you have caused to my eyes.
Still better than Renault's, though.
Still better than Renault's, though.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 13:22
The F1 car in a clown suit. I can't remember which poster called it that but it works so well.Originally posted by ensign14
Still better than Renault's, though.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 14:03
Originally posted by djellison
And Honda take it
It looks like a crash between an '07 BMW and an '07 Honda that no one could be bothered to clear up.
Doug
OMG my eyes.
And the whole bullshit sanctimonious environmental marketing concept was bad last year, but this year looks like taking it to unheard of levels of hypocrisy.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 14:09
Whoever is advising Honda on image is stealing money. At least the bleeding eye Renault is the product of unfortunately coloured sponsors, Honda have actually elected to deface their car. It's actually worse than last year.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 14:10
Honda needed to DUMP DUMP DUMP their ridiculous 'Earth Dream' and get some proper sponsorship on the car.
This latest livery is the worst I have ever seen on any F1 car.
This latest livery is the worst I have ever seen on any F1 car.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 14:25
On the plus side, you can see the numbers.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 14:40
Right now it's no contest... Honda is the worst. It's the weirdest look I've seen since the brown Zune.
