No more permanent steward?
#1
Posted 24 January 2008 - 13:53
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/64826
Does it mean that there will be no permanent race steward in the future? Didn't they make a fuss about all that 2-3 years ago in order to have more consistent decisions?
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#2
Posted 24 January 2008 - 13:59
#3
Posted 24 January 2008 - 14:00
Originally posted by Certified Half-Wit
Cue lots of posts about how stewards were only there to help Ferrari...
Or replace 'Ferrari' with 'Hamilton' depending on your persuasion....
#4
Posted 24 January 2008 - 14:01
#5
Posted 24 January 2008 - 14:03
#6
Posted 24 January 2008 - 14:12
Eh?It is understood that one of the catalysts for the change was the fact that it took the FIA stewards five days after last year's Japanese Grand Prix to rule on whether or not Lewis Hamilton did anything wrong in his driving behind the safety car in Fuji.
I thought it took that long for the spectators youtube video to come to the attention of the officials?
#7
Posted 24 January 2008 - 14:17
Originally posted by Buttoneer
Eh?
I thought it took that long for the spectators youtube video to come to the attention of the officials?
Just going back through the timeline on articles on autosport and the Chinese Grand Prix was the following weekend to Fuji. The decision was made on the friday night in Shanghai. So yes it is 5 days...(although I also thought it was longer than that).
#8
Posted 24 January 2008 - 14:27
I'm a bit nervous about Max' Official Representative being there as well, but hopefully they will at least have the bottle to take the difficult decisions.
I think the cool fuel thing in Brazil was more a factor, recently, than Fuji. The ambient temperature was a genuine doubt, but not the doubt about where the fuel was supposed to be measured, that was chickening out.
#9
Posted 24 January 2008 - 14:30
I'm not disputing that at all, but my point is that they were all packed up and gone by the time the video came to light. This means they had to take the complaint from Franz Tost when it came to them, which will probably have been the Thursday at the earliest.Originally posted by Chiara
Just going back through the timeline on articles on autosport and the Chinese Grand Prix was the following weekend to Fuji. The decision was made on the friday night in Shanghai. So yes it is 5 days...(although I also thought it was longer than that).
#10
Posted 24 January 2008 - 15:35
I guess the fact that Max Mosley's official representative will assist the different stewards at each event should reassure everyone
#11
Posted 24 January 2008 - 17:06
This is another FIA flip-flop. Like the championship points system (changed to reward winning and then changed to reward consistency), the stewards change will be changed again as fits the perceived errors of the system of the moment.
#12
Posted 24 January 2008 - 17:17
Originally posted by Buttoneer
I'm not disputing that at all, but my point is that they were all packed up and gone by the time the video came to light. This means they had to take the complaint from Franz Tost when it came to them, which will probably have been the Thursday at the earliest.
In Shanghai they reached the correct decision, cancelling Vettel's unfair penalty from Fuji which was obviously NOT needed to deter him from doing that again...
In Fuji it was Charlie Whiting who should have had the penalty, for not saying something to Hammy while he was following the pace car.
It's about time they cleared up these woolly definitions of "avoidable accident" and "racing incident", which don't provide any useful guidance at all. Most accidents are "avoidable" and every incident is "racing", more or less.
Hopefully there will be a small pool of neutral professional stewards who will gain experience and be more consistent. But in general stewards do seem to be as emotional and lacking in objectivity as anyone else.
#13
Posted 24 January 2008 - 18:15
Originally posted by Lifew12
Or replace 'Ferrari' with 'Hamilton' depending on your persuasion....
or replace 'Hamilton' with 'Max Mosley'
http://www.grandprix...ns/ns19972.html
#14
Posted 24 January 2008 - 19:55
I think the FIA want to tighten up what penalties they hand out as well, have very set penalties - as up until now they have seemed to be done on a whim.
#15
Posted 24 January 2008 - 20:16
Do I believe that Max has an impartial bone in his body...Not a chance!
Do I believe that Alan Donnelly will be able to do anything but his masters bidding....again, Not a chance!
Do I believe that there will now be controversy in 2008 over alleged Ferrari favouritism, Lewis love –ins etc etc…….You bet ya!
Megalo Max strikes again, and grabs yet another piece of power…..
#16
Posted 25 January 2008 - 09:37
http://www.planetf1....3076296,00.html
How impartial is he going to look?
#17
Posted 25 January 2008 - 09:44
#18
Posted 25 January 2008 - 11:38
That article is an outright lie, check the list of clients , there is no Ferrari on that list like Andrew Davies claims.Originally posted by undersquare
Andrew Davies on planet-F1 has pointed out that Allan Donnelly runs a PR company that works for Ferrari.
http://www.planetf1....3076296,00.html
How impartial is he going to look?
Bernie seems happy with them though:
"Our experience shows that while many professional advisors make claims - Sovereign delivers"
#19
Posted 25 January 2008 - 11:47
Originally posted by Sébastien
That article is an outright lie, check the list of clients , there is no Ferrari on that list like Andrew Davies claims.
Bernie seems happy with them though:
Without wanting to disagree and seem harsh they removed it form their list a couple of days ago, search google and they are still in the google search...
Sovereign Strategy - our clients
Ferrari. Formula One Management Ltd. Helius Energy. Intuit. JM Communications. Marine Current Turbines. MWH. NEXUS. North East Economic Forum ...
www.sovereignstrategy.com/clients2.asp
In a recent announcement, Ferrari, the famous automobile manufacturer, which will be celebrating its 60th year of road car production later this year, appointed Sovereign Strategy to provide public affairs counsel.
http://www.ameinfo.com/126999.html
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#20
Posted 25 January 2008 - 11:52
Originally posted by Sébastien
That article is an outright lie, check the list of clients , there is no Ferrari on that list like Andrew Davies claims.
Bernie seems happy with them though:
They have removed them. Grandprix.com also reported it on 14th January...
http://www.grandprix...ns/ns19972.html
So whoever is being dishonest, it's not Andrew Davies.
#21
Posted 25 January 2008 - 12:08
Indeed I stand corrected, they removed Ferrari from the list, stupid move imo also because I found a quote from Donnelly (be it on another matter ) in which he wrote this:Originally posted by Mika Mika
Without wanting to disagree and seem harsh they removed it form their list a couple of days ago, search google and they are still in the google search...
In a recent announcement, Ferrari, the famous automobile manufacturer, which will be celebrating its 60th year of road car production later this year, appointed Sovereign Strategy to provide public affairs counsel.
http://www.ameinfo.com/126999.html
"Alan Donnelly of Sovereign Strategy has written to me outlining the fact that Sovereign already Âdeclares all its clients on its website and clarifying that it is the intention of Sovereign Strategy to adopt a new position as regards paying MPs or peers."
#22
Posted 25 January 2008 - 12:15
Originally posted by Sébastien
Indeed I stand corrected, they removed Ferrari from the list, stupid move imo also because I found a quote from Donnelly (be it on another matter ) in which he wrote this:
"Alan Donnelly of Sovereign Strategy has written to me outlining the fact that Sovereign already Âdeclares all its clients on its website and clarifying that it is the intention of Sovereign Strategy to adopt a new position as regards paying MPs or peers."
No worries,
I totally agree with you, they would be far better to be honest... Look where being dishonest got F1 last year, last thing we need is controversy!!!