Definitely other.
Gerhard Berger would be a cool president, not so political.
David Coulthard has a little bit the elder statesman touch, he might go as well.
None of the mentioned canditates, too much history and strong allegiances.
With both Berger and Coulthard I feel they could be independent enough.
Surely they would not want to do it, though, which is another reason why they are well qualified...
If not Max, then who...
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 14:56
Not too sure of this option after the treatment of the Torro Rosso drivers last season.Originally posted by aditya-now
Gerhard Berger would be a cool president, not so political.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 14:57
Originally posted by Gareth
Not too sure of this option after the treatment of the Torro Rosso drivers last season.
That was Franz Toast... Possiably the worst F1 Team boss of all time...
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 15:15
What we have to accept is that the FIA is not solely about F1 (although it is totally understandable that in a forum such as this the primary focus will be on F1) or even motorsport (ditto, but to alesser degree). The FIA governs international motorsport, yes, but it is also the umbrella body for motoring organisations worldwide - which includes road-side assist, caravanning, touring, administration such as cross-border licences and carnets; in fact, anything to do with an engine and at least three wheels.
Therefore, to even consider the likes of Eddie Irvine, who would not even know the difference between a tent rope and jack handle if they were laid out in front of him with labels attached, is clearly ridiculous. IMHO the Mosley Saga presents an ideal opportunity for the FIA to restructure totally. Hell, it has to: its statutes don't even enable it to request the 'resignation' of an unpaid, elected official...
So, what it needs is a VP in charge of Sport, another in charge of Touring and another in charge of the Institute, which encompasses safety, crash testing and medical matters. Each of these VPs should be a strong, knowledgeable character with FULL understanding of his portfolio. So, for example, JYS, could be VP of Sport; Peter Meyer the boss of Touring and Sid Watkins head of the Institute. Equally, a whole lot of respected businessmen with indepth understanding of the portfolios could be appointed at commensurate salaries.
At the very top the FIA should have a true statesman, one who has political clout but is relatively weak in terms of overall power - liken the structure, if you like, to the Swiss political system: a 'weak' national government concerned only with broader issues and administration, and strong cantons responsible for the welfare and policies of their immediate regions.
And then it really does not matter who becomes president, because it is in effect a non-executive, unpaid position done for the prestige of it.
Therefore, to even consider the likes of Eddie Irvine, who would not even know the difference between a tent rope and jack handle if they were laid out in front of him with labels attached, is clearly ridiculous. IMHO the Mosley Saga presents an ideal opportunity for the FIA to restructure totally. Hell, it has to: its statutes don't even enable it to request the 'resignation' of an unpaid, elected official...
So, what it needs is a VP in charge of Sport, another in charge of Touring and another in charge of the Institute, which encompasses safety, crash testing and medical matters. Each of these VPs should be a strong, knowledgeable character with FULL understanding of his portfolio. So, for example, JYS, could be VP of Sport; Peter Meyer the boss of Touring and Sid Watkins head of the Institute. Equally, a whole lot of respected businessmen with indepth understanding of the portfolios could be appointed at commensurate salaries.
At the very top the FIA should have a true statesman, one who has political clout but is relatively weak in terms of overall power - liken the structure, if you like, to the Swiss political system: a 'weak' national government concerned only with broader issues and administration, and strong cantons responsible for the welfare and policies of their immediate regions.
And then it really does not matter who becomes president, because it is in effect a non-executive, unpaid position done for the prestige of it.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 15:27
I voted Flav, months and months ago but really it should be no one with any current allegiances to current teams.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 15:29
Was Gerhard not involved then (not just the allegations of fisticuffs, the general undermiming and scapegoating)? I hope not, because I liked the guy a lot.Originally posted by Mika Mika
That was Franz Toast... Possiably the worst F1 Team boss of all time...
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 15:32
Peter would be my second choice, but I am afraid that he doesn't has stomach strong enoug to digest FIA politics.Originally posted by Haddock
I think Peter Sauber would do a good job. Just a hunch - he always seemed one of the most down-to-earth F1 bosses in the business. More in control of his ego than most.
Jean T. on the other hand went through the fire while at Ferrari.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 15:50
Well, I guess Peter Sauber dealt well enough with the politics for quite a while...and was astute enough to not get his fingers burned or his reputation left in tatters by them. A good political operator gets things done without much noise (an iron fist* in a velvet glove perhaps), a bad one makes lots of noise but doesn't get so much done. Perhaps this is why Sauber's cars ran in the mid-field, and why Stoddart's ran at the back?Originally posted by MiPe
Peter would be my second choice, but I am afraid that he doesn't has stomach strong enoug to digest FIA politics.
Jean T. on the other hand went through the fire while at Ferrari.
Whether he would want the job is another issue of course, but I can think of a lot of people who would probably do a worse job.
(I had no idea how apt this pole would be when I first posted it!
)* Again, possibly a Max vice, but taking the term literally.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 16:05
Can't believe people voted for Tony Blair. 
I suppose Bernie could be his Bush...
I suppose Bernie could be his Bush...
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 21:17
Originally posted by metz
Can't believe people voted for Tony Blair.
I suppose Bernie could be his Bush...
As an interim President until Todt gets distance from Ferrari, Robert Mugabe. I hear he's looking for a new presidential job. Should fit nicely into the role to be vacated by Mosely as he understands well the power politics necessary - surround yourself with frightened bunnies and wield your nightstick often and with flourish.
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Posted 16 April 2008 - 13:11
Originally posted by Mika Mika
That was Franz Toast... Possiably the worst F1 Team boss of all time...
Not even close. Try Andrea Sassetti.
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Posted 16 April 2008 - 14:59
How about removing position of presidency, and in lieu substitute it with a board of directors of equal status representing different interests? I do sometimes think that this position is far too important to put it all into hands of one man, expecially when he becomes menace, and you cannot get rid of him at the end.
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Posted 16 April 2008 - 20:22
More options
Paul Stewart - JYS would excel, but I dont think he'd want to take it on, Paul whilst doesn't have as much experience has done lots within the industry and no doubt has learnt lots from the old man.
Dave Richards - Had his hand in more types of motorsport than Bernie has houses.
Keith Bartlett - Done wonders for the European drag racing scene and is known within the FIA
Henri Pescarolo - Been around a long time, does wonders on a relatively small budget in LM.
Peter Sauber - As already mentioned, has F1 and sportscar experience
Eddie Jordan ?
Paul Stewart - JYS would excel, but I dont think he'd want to take it on, Paul whilst doesn't have as much experience has done lots within the industry and no doubt has learnt lots from the old man.
Dave Richards - Had his hand in more types of motorsport than Bernie has houses.
Keith Bartlett - Done wonders for the European drag racing scene and is known within the FIA
Henri Pescarolo - Been around a long time, does wonders on a relatively small budget in LM.
Peter Sauber - As already mentioned, has F1 and sportscar experience
Eddie Jordan ?
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 15:47
Ari Vatanen for me 
Though would suggesting Damon Hill be too off the wall ????
Though would suggesting Damon Hill be too off the wall ????
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 16:35
How about Alain Prost?
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I was going to say "well if he runs F1 the way he ran a team it might not be so good", but then March hardly set the world alight and Max has been absolutely sup...erm, actually I think I might have been right first time!Originally posted by I_hate_chicanes
How about Alain Prost?
Not with that ludicrous hair & beard combo...Originally posted by frogeye59
Though would suggesting Damon Hill be too off the wall ????
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 18:09
so in the next fia meeting at june 3rd they are requesting sex video tapes of the candidates to study the behavior of the new president.
if we could see those videos we sure could foresee the future of fia politics for about 10 years taking the general ensemble of these guys sexual behavior.
if we could see those videos we sure could foresee the future of fia politics for about 10 years taking the general ensemble of these guys sexual behavior.
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 19:55
Originally posted by lukywill
so in the next fia meeting at june 3rd they are requesting sex video tapes of the candidates to study the behavior of the new president.
So they say, but one suspects that the identity of Ms. Todt might be the reasoning behind such a request.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 00:53
I voted other. Montgomery Burns. 
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 01:31
WTF @ Hamilton and Dennis. 
Actually that's not surprising at all.
Actually that's not surprising at all.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 02:01
definitely Jacques!!!
oh yeah, he is not in the list... let's go with Jean Todt then. (seriously, he would be my choice)
oh yeah, he is not in the list... let's go with Jean Todt then. (seriously, he would be my choice)
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 02:08
what happened to paul stewart , i remmber he got cancer, and he used to run a successful F3 team....
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 02:10
It should be someone who is not currently or in a past been affiliated with a team. Otherwise there will always be allegations of bias.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 15:35
Michael Dell, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates...
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 16:35
Anyone but Max. I dont have a particular favourite candidate. Anyone is better than Max, because Max has become pretty stubborn and because he is taking his personal animosities to the sport. And of course his outside appearance is not acceptable as the representative of hundreds of national organizations and thousands of sportsmen and sportswomen for that matter.
In a real life situation, where bureaucracy can't buy you time like that he would have been fired the day after this orgy stuff proved to be true.
In a real life situation, where bureaucracy can't buy you time like that he would have been fired the day after this orgy stuff proved to be true.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 16:57
Originally posted by undersquare
Frank Williams
Good choice.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 20:00
I would have considered JYS a good choice, up until I read his autobiography.
It can't be anyone Italian, because the English press and fans wouldn't have it.
Flavio is Bernie's heir and anyway, not really suited to being the main blame-magnet for the sport.
There are at least three or four well-qualified candidates already in the FIA structure, but if I was to go for someone from F1, it would be Tony Purnell.
It can't be anyone Italian, because the English press and fans wouldn't have it.
Flavio is Bernie's heir and anyway, not really suited to being the main blame-magnet for the sport.
There are at least three or four well-qualified candidates already in the FIA structure, but if I was to go for someone from F1, it would be Tony Purnell.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 20:07
I'm not sure any of them would have the interest. The FIA presidency is a political job and can get quite frustrating. It's not a ship that can be steered on a dime.Originally posted by David M. Kane
Michael Dell, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates...
What about Wolfgang Bernhard?
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 13:46
FLB:
Yes he sounds like a real world kind of guy.
Yes he sounds like a real world kind of guy.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 16:21
Jackie Stewart - Enough experience in all aspects of racing - but long enough out of team ownership to not be biased towards Red Bull.
As to the others - the worst one on the list - other than Max - is Todt (And that is a pretty close fight to the bottom of the pile)
I cannot see him being fair with anything that might have even the slightest posible impact on Ferrari.
Also given his comments that I read today he is still backing Max, I am sure for all the support that Max has given to him in the past. Quid Pro Quo reigns supreme.
As to the others - the worst one on the list - other than Max - is Todt (And that is a pretty close fight to the bottom of the pile)
I cannot see him being fair with anything that might have even the slightest posible impact on Ferrari.
Also given his comments that I read today he is still backing Max, I am sure for all the support that Max has given to him in the past. Quid Pro Quo reigns supreme.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 18:11
Jean Todt, a winner unlike Max, a loser and dirty as well. Todt's closeness to ferrari would be questionable though.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 18:55
Sir Frank Williams. I can't seam to think of anyone more respectworthy in contemporary F1. Unfortunately he owns a team which disqualifies him so I'd vote for Paul Stoddart because unlike previous two presidents of FIA he doesn't have a Nazi past or presence, he isn't a racist and since he is loaded with money he is incorruptible.
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What do you think of Dave Richards? He owns a team, but then he doesn't. Respectwise, he's as good as anyone and his neutrality is similar to Nick Craw's.;)
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 23:53
Lee's a little old, but Peter Sauber might be effective.
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since he is loaded with money he is incorruptible
LOL
He's a liar though..... remember Melbourne a few years ago when he said he couldn't get his cars ready due to rule changes and low and behold, over night, his cars are ready....
Ciro
Dave Richards - he's also been involved in mor ethan just F1 - a number of people here seem to think the FIA is only F1 : :
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Originally posted by David M. Kane
Lee's a little old, but Peter Sauber might be effective.
In the F1 paddock Peter Sauber would be my choice as well.
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 01:48
I think that somebody coming out of a pure racing background isn't going to get the gig. The FIA is in control of WAY more than just the rules and regulations of Formula 1. They have their hands in every form of automotive racing out there, controlling tracks, organizing contracts. The list goes on and on. We simply happen to see Max at more F1 events than anything else. The person in the role has to be knowledgeable about all forms of racing, probably a lawyer, be very well educated, have international experience and be a fascist (sorry, Max only).
Someone that is from a purely race background, I think, would be lost in the detail of running an organization as all-encompassing as the FIA.
My guess is that the next head of the FIA will be Todt or somebody already in the FIA that is one of Max's underlings.
I also think that Max has to go. What he has been accused of doing may or may not be illegal, but it is not proper conduct for a person in his position and casts serious shadows on the character of the man. Sure Clinton got a blowjob and continued being president (albeit impeached), but his public character suffered and it forever over-shadowed the remainder of his presidency.
Mosley is in the same boat. He got caught with his pants down and this will forever be what is talked about. He could do something to completely revolutionize motor racing for the better tomorrow, but it will pale in comparison to what was captured on video and his dodgy family background.
Someone that is from a purely race background, I think, would be lost in the detail of running an organization as all-encompassing as the FIA.
My guess is that the next head of the FIA will be Todt or somebody already in the FIA that is one of Max's underlings.
I also think that Max has to go. What he has been accused of doing may or may not be illegal, but it is not proper conduct for a person in his position and casts serious shadows on the character of the man. Sure Clinton got a blowjob and continued being president (albeit impeached), but his public character suffered and it forever over-shadowed the remainder of his presidency.
Mosley is in the same boat. He got caught with his pants down and this will forever be what is talked about. He could do something to completely revolutionize motor racing for the better tomorrow, but it will pale in comparison to what was captured on video and his dodgy family background.
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I don't realy care WHO wears the pants at the FIA.
As long as SOMEBODY does...
As long as SOMEBODY does...
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Originally posted by speedy
Ari Vatanen is da man for the job - passionate motorsport person and a seasoned politician who knows how to navigate with various interest groups. A WDC and multiple Paris Dakar winner and member of European Parliament
My vote goes for Ari aswell.
yours,
mikabest
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 22:59
Bearing in mind that the motor racing side is only one aspect of the FIA's brief,who would you like to see replace Max Mosely as President of the FIA?
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 23:15
1. flav briatore
2. jean todt
3. james allen
4. dave richards
5. gerhard berger
6. ross brawn
2. jean todt
3. james allen
4. dave richards
5. gerhard berger
6. ross brawn
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Jackie Stewart
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Originally posted by dawg_7529
1. flav briatore
2. jean todt
3. james allen
4. dave richards
5. gerhard berger
6. ross brawn
1. Ross Brawn
2. Paul Stoddart
3. Dave Richards
4. Bobby Rahal
5. Roger Penske (if he was younger)
6. Jean Todt
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 23:47
I'd like to see someone that would get the stink out of FIA - set up checks and balances. Tell it like it is. Be strong enough to stand up to any special interest groups. Strong enough to investigate past wrongdoings. Someone with good common sense.
I actually don't care if he/she actually knew anything about racing. I'd suggest former IOC Presidential candidate Dick Pound... but the irony would be too much ;)
I think someone from F1 would be a big step backwards. The second guessing of motives would never stop. I'm SO tired of back room politics overshadowing the on track events.
Pistol Peto
I actually don't care if he/she actually knew anything about racing. I'd suggest former IOC Presidential candidate Dick Pound... but the irony would be too much ;)
I think someone from F1 would be a big step backwards. The second guessing of motives would never stop. I'm SO tired of back room politics overshadowing the on track events.
Pistol Peto
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 23:51
Aside from mosley's leaving, do you guys think he was such a bad president? Sure i hated the narrow track cars, grooved tyres, endless safety measures, even the banning of engine technology, but sofar i think F1 looks much better than say, 4, 5 years ago.
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Posted 26 April 2008 - 00:04
Right arguments, wrong conclusion.Originally posted by dawg_7529
Aside from mosley's leaving, do you guys think he was such a bad president? Sure i hated the narrow track cars, grooved tyres, endless safety measures, even the banning of engine technology, but sofar i think F1 looks much better than say, 4, 5 years ago.
MaXXX is bad, he listens only to himself and did a lot of damage abusing the safety clause in CA. In fact the only good thing he did to F1 is the improved car body strength and track safety. But after Senna's death it was inevitable and anyone would have done it.
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Posted 26 April 2008 - 00:12
Somebody who as their first task will instigate a two-term limit.
