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Fisichella eyeing points in Melbourne

Started by Perigee , Mar 10 2008 13:49

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#1 Perigee

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 13:49

Errm. Errr. Mmmmm. Ahhhhh. Oh, go on then....

:lol:

#2 MJC1

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 13:52

Under normal racing conditions (i.e not half the grid wiped out first corner) it will not happen.

Wishful thinking :drunk:

#3 bogi

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 13:54

Aussie GP always have unpredictable results, and Fisi is unpredictable driver :blush:

#4 Owen

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 14:00

With some other people slipping up (ie some race retirements) then it seems possible to me. Not sure if he expressed in that way though. :

#5 angst

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 14:26

Fisichella and Force India have been putting in some pretty impressive times in winter testing. I think it's perfectly reasonable for them to look at the progress they feel that they have made and begin aiming for success. Perhaps it would be preferable to some that the 'smaller' teams just rolled over and died - didn't care for the idea of attempting to be competitive.

Who, in reality, have been much quicker? Ferrari and McLaren are, for sure, out of reach. Williams seem to have taken a step forward. BMW might have too much for them, but then what? Red Bull, Toro Rosso, Renault, Toyota, Honda and Super Aguri are by no means out of reach of them - and surely they should be applauded for wanting to take them on, not scoffed at for daring to?

#6 Earthling

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 14:29

Full race distance without traction control might spring up some surprises....especially under racing conditions and not just testing.
A little extra power could spin you under pressure and Fisi aint no rookie.

#7 rodlamas

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 14:46

Fisi says his first objective is Q2.

He will firstly need to get rid of two SA's, two Hondas, Sutil and at least one STR, for example.

I don't think he has more than 10% of chances of doing so.

#8 angst

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 15:59

Originally posted by rodlamas
Fisi says his first objective is Q2.

He will firstly need to get rid of two SA's, two Hondas, Sutil and at least one STR, for example.

I don't think he has more than 10% of chances of doing so.

Or; one or two Toyotas, or Renault. The Hondas have hardly been setting the world alight during testing, Super Aguri have barely done any testing, Toyota, similarly, haven't been scaring anybody. Why do you rate his chances so lowly?

#9 Frank Booth

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 16:02

I'm eying some super models, you know under the right conditions I might be able to score some points with one of them.

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 16:12

Originally posted by angst
Fisichella and Force India have been putting in some pretty impressive times in winter testing. I think it's perfectly reasonable for them to look at the progress they feel that they have made and begin aiming for success. Perhaps it would be preferable to some that the 'smaller' teams just rolled over and died - didn't care for the idea of attempting to be competitive.

Who, in reality, have been much quicker? Ferrari and McLaren are, for sure, out of reach. Williams seem to have taken a step forward. BMW might have too much for them, but then what? Red Bull, Toro Rosso, Renault, Toyota, Honda and Super Aguri are by no means out of reach of them - and surely they should be applauded for wanting to take them on, not scoffed at for daring to?

Agree.

Whether or not they can achieve their lofty goals is a purely different matter but I admire their determination in trying to get better. I mean, if you aren't there to get into the points, why bother racing? Sure, we won't know where everyone stands until the season starts but their times in testing have served notice that they just might spring a few surprises. :wave:

#11 F1 Tor.

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 16:24

Originally posted by Frank Booth
I'm eying some super models, you know under the right conditions I might be able to score some points with one of them.

With that sense of humour, it'll be hard.;)

#12 juary

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 18:24

So the season is starting and the anti Fisi thread also...

I cannot see nothing to smile about a simple target....get the Q2 and hope to score one point in a the first race of the season with a lot of things unpredictable...

Probably Fisi knows more about his race pace during the test in comparizon with the other teams than you.

I really hope that Fisi will surprise some of you this season.. :up:

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 18:43

I hope Fisi does well. He may come up with a suprise or two in races where a lot of mid-grid teams DNF. Their package seem a lot more reliable compared to the teams just above them.

#14 Frank Booth

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 19:02

I would love to see a day where any team on the grid could possibly win the race, and I agree the are not out there just for the fun of it. If a driver is thinking I'm only hoping to finish the race I wouldn't want him in my car.

#15 rodlamas

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 20:01

Originally posted by angst

Or; one or two Toyotas, or Renault. The Hondas have hardly been setting the world alight during testing, Super Aguri have barely done any testing, Toyota, similarly, haven't been scaring anybody. Why do you rate his chances so lowly?

For the simple reason that at Barcelona RBR, Williams, Renault, Toyota dipped bellow 21.5 and Spyker never did better than low-22's. And I don't think Fisi has been testing always with 50-60+ kgs of fuel.

#16 rodlamas

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 20:02

Originally posted by Frank Booth
I would love to see a day where any team on the grid could possibly win the race, and I agree the are not out there just for the fun of it. If a driver is thinking I'm only hoping to finish the race I wouldn't want him in my car.

Even on spec series this is not possible... Penske, Ganassi and Andretti Green are always winning on IRL, NASCAR has always the same teams winning etc...

#17 SeanValen

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 20:17

Originally posted by Perigee
Errm. Errr. Mmmmm. Ahhhhh. Oh, go on then....

It's a long shot he'll compete for a win, but remember Oliver Panis Monaco 96, or Fisi's win at Brazil 2003, even the random lottery races count, because situations allow a car to stay ahead, and sometimes that's what f1 is about, and not the top team always expecting to have things their way. So I wouldn't laugh, what if Fisi won? It's possible.

Show some respect for the element of chance and the many workers working hard behind force India to get a result.

:smoking:

#18 noikeee

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 20:23

Q2 seems realistic to me, they might need a car or two ahead to mess up, but it could perfectly happen. Points in this race is too optimistic, though, I think something really weird would need to happen for it. Over the course of the whole season it will probably happen (Sutil scored points last year!) but for a single race the probability is too small.

We'll see soon. I think Force India have made a step forward but testing is just testing. I know I've made some detailed predictions recently and that wasn't far from the popular opinion, however I think we're getting ahead of ourselves a bit: it's perfectly possible that we'll be surprised this weekend, just look at how Super Aguri vs Honda was last year in Melbourne, nobody predicted it.

#19 Mauseri

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 20:26

He is a good candidate for winning the race of finishing last.

#20 molive

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 20:33

Originally posted by micra_k10
He is a good candidate for winning the race of finishing last.

Oh, cmom, give old FIsi some cred, he should finish ahead of the Hondas...

#21 Mauseri

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 20:59

Originally posted by molive
Oh, cmom, give old FIsi some cred, he should finish ahead of the Hondas...

It could be a close fight but I think the rotate prize team whatever it's name is now is the favorite to finish last.

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 22:06

Originally posted by Frank Booth
I'm eying some super models, you know under the right conditions I might be able to score some points with one of them.

#23 pUs

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 22:07

Originally posted by SeanValen

It's a long shot he'll compete for a win, but remember Oliver Panis Monaco 96, or Fisi's win at Brazil 2003, even the random lottery races count, because situations allow a car to stay ahead, and sometimes that's what f1 is about, and not the top team always expecting to have things their way. So I wouldn't laugh, what if Fisi won? It's possible.

Show some respect for the element of chance and the many workers working hard behind force India to get a result.

Nothing to add, on the edge foruming Sean, keep it up, EXCELLENT :up:

#24 volumenzero

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 00:38

Originally posted by micra_k10
He is a good candidate for winning the race of finishing last.

why exactly you think Fisichella will finish last?

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 05:17

Originally posted by rodlamas

For the simple reason that at Barcelona RBR, Williams, Renault, Toyota dipped bellow 21.5 and Spyker never did better than low-22's. And I don't think Fisi has been testing always with 50-60+ kgs of fuel.

1:21.5 to 1:22.2 isn't that far apart, especially when you consider that last year's Spyker would've been 2-2.5 seconds slower than those cars. Also, Force India will be adding a couple of aero pieces which might give them another tenth or two before Melbourne. Fisi will do the rest...

#26 Mauseri

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:49

Originally posted by volumenzero
why exactly you think Fisichella will finish last?

Slow car and spin prone teammate.

#27 rjk

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 09:25

Well, Webber did come 5th in a Minardi in Melbourne. :smoking:

#28 volumenzero

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 09:41

Originally posted by micra_k10

Slow car and spin prone teammate.

I'm sure his teammate will finish lower most of the time ... and even Hondas are going to have a hard time ...

#29 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 09:52

Originally posted by Raj
Well, Webber did come 5th in a Minardi in Melbourne.

In the days there were still mechanical failures

#30 juary

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 10:28

Originally posted by micra_k10
He is a good candidate for winning the race of finishing last.

hi guy do you accept some bets?

#31 rjk

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 10:46

Originally posted by Gilles4Ever

In the days there were still mechanical failures

Wasnt there a big pile up or something in that race as well. And that is a distinct possibility.

Though I dont see Fisi scoring a point. It is improbable, but not impossible.

#32 pjabyrne

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:03

Fisi is a mystery to me :confused:

...

I always rated him before he moved to Renault and thought he would give Alonso a run for his money (this was back before FA was a 2xWDC remember). He wilted when he had a top car - nowhere close to Fernando and - BAFFLINGLY - SEEMED TO ACCEPT IT!!!!

Now he's back in a small team, nothing is expected of him, and he's full of fighting talk and has re-found his gung-ho attitude.

I still believe Fisi has great talent but perhaps not very smart and perhaps lacking 'character'. He's like a footballer who is a wizard week-in-week-out but wilts when the REALLY important match comes along...

#33 GTA

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:51

It will be interesting to see if he can indeed get into Q2. Throughout winter testing the Force India car has looked quick in his hands and among the top 10-12 times on the timesheets.Thus I can see where his optimism comes from. I would be dissapointed if he can't get any points during the season, but scoring them right at the outset appears very difficult. However the current situation of the team looks far better than it looked twelve months ago. You never know, stranger things have happened in F1.

Good Luck Fisi. :up: