Why can't they get it right?
#1
Posted 07 September 2006 - 19:05
One feature is a 30 year flashback - this time to Monza 1976. They showed maybe 2 or 3 minutes or so of film from the race ending with Ronnie Peterson spraying the champagne. The narrator's comment was along the lines of "Well, wouldn't you if you had just won your first Grand Prix..." (my italics)
Who writes these things? And don't they ever check anything?
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#2
Posted 07 September 2006 - 19:12
#3
Posted 07 September 2006 - 19:19
Yes, Wolf, it is that programme.
#4
Posted 07 September 2006 - 19:26
#5
Posted 07 September 2006 - 20:12
Originally posted by Barry Boor
I have just caught the last few minutes of 'Inside Grand Prix' on Motors T.V.
One feature is a 30 year flashback - this time to Monza 1976. They showed maybe 2 or 3 minutes or so of film from the race ending with Ronnie Peterson spraying the champagne. The narrator's comment was along the lines of "Well, wouldn't you if you had just won your first Grand Prix..." (my italics)
Who writes these things? And don't they ever check anything?
Go to the RC section and I'd be willing to bet that the majority of folk there don't even know who Ronnie Peterson was, so it surprises me not in the least that the folk at said show either don't check facts or assume that we are clueless minions when it comes to any form of racing more than 10 years past.
#6
Posted 07 September 2006 - 20:26
#7
Posted 07 September 2006 - 20:44
I must admit that I watch this program for the 30 year old features.
Is it sourced from German TV? I have never seen some of these shots before so I was wondering what the source is and wether it is commercially available?
Geoff
#8
Posted 07 September 2006 - 21:11
#9
Posted 07 September 2006 - 22:35
#10
Posted 08 September 2006 - 08:16
Are F1 TV and film histories now more or less torpedoed by Bernie's greed?
#11
Posted 08 September 2006 - 09:13
I saw it myself minutes ago. Turned down the sound and just enjoyed the picture.Originally posted by Barry Boor
I have just caught the last few minutes of 'Inside Grand Prix' on Motors T.V.
#12
Posted 08 September 2006 - 10:14
Originally posted by Eric McLoughlin
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Are F1 TV and film histories now more or less torpedoed by Bernie's greed?
F1 racing as a whole is torpedoed by Bernie's greed. And Max'.
#13
Posted 08 September 2006 - 16:11
Loti
#14
Posted 08 September 2006 - 16:14
You'll remember that giving French pronunciations to English names goes back at least to Piers Courahzh ;)Originally posted by LOTI
don't you think they would know from listening that Jensen's surname rhymes with mutton and not mouton
#15
Posted 09 September 2006 - 06:21
#16
Posted 09 September 2006 - 08:30
Thus they are frequently uninformed, misinformed or simply lack empathy with the era and the genre. This last point being evident occasionally in the 'comics'. Additionally of course they are deliberately superficial and abbreviated to cut costs, another similarity they share with their magazine cousins.
#17
Posted 09 September 2006 - 11:00
#18
Posted 09 September 2006 - 16:59
OK guys rant over
#19
Posted 09 September 2006 - 18:31
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#20
Posted 09 September 2006 - 19:47
#21
Posted 10 September 2006 - 09:04
After all they are being paid and imho have a duty to get it right
Exactly my point !
#22
Posted 10 September 2006 - 22:45
Failing to pick up a subtlety like that is unforgiveable in a magazine that purports to be devoted to racing history.
For heaven's sake! These are professional journalists, not young fanboys on a website, I agree they have a duty to get it right.
Edit: Missing capitals added. Pots and kettles!
#23
Posted 11 September 2006 - 03:41
For heaven's sake! These are professional journalists, not young fanboys on a website, I agree they have a duty to get it right.
D-Type:
I would add: this is what happens when a person does not feel PASSION about his job.
I know a lot of people (including me) that would be very glad to take a look at those scripts and correct them before the program is broadcasted.
funnily enough, over the past few days, I watched all of the 'Racing Through Time' programmes I recorded from ESPN Classic earlier in the year (8 programmes in all). After watching the lot I'm afraid I came ot the conclusion that NONE of them were worth keeping and copying onto DVD.
Gary:
"Racing through time" in spanish is worth turning the volume off. Translation of technical matters are lousy, no sense at all. Looks like a school kid with no idea about the subject translated them using a dictionary.
Languedoc
#24
Posted 11 September 2006 - 05:49
Baghetti's car was looked after by the Scuderia so in effect there were four works Ferraris. It was only the name on the entrant's licence that was different.Originally posted by D-Type
This month's (ie October!) Motor Sport includes a picture of the start of the 1961 french Grand prix and the caption refers to "The Ferraris of Wolfgang Von trips, Phil Hill and Richie Ginther at the start. Their team mate Giancarlo Baghetti ~ will win". Now that is just plain sloppy journalism. Their own archives must contain a copy of their report of the race. Jenks went to great pains to explain the difference between FISA (baghetti's entrant) and Scuderia Ferrari.
Failing to pick up a subtlety like that is unforgiveable in a magazine that purports to be devoted to racing history.
For heaven's sake! These are professional journalists, not young fanboys on a website, I agree they have a duty to get it right.
#25
Posted 11 September 2006 - 12:36
Although the car was looked after by the works mechanics, I think (but don't know for certain) that Baghetti would have received his instructions and pit signals (such as they were) separately from the Scuderia driversOriginally posted by Roger Clark
Baghetti's car was looked after by the Scuderia so in effect there were four works Ferraris. It was only the name on the entrant's licence that was different.
Were this an article in a national newspaper or a contemporary racing magazine I would agree with you. But Motor Sport is different as it claims to be about the History of motor racing and pedantic factual exactitude should therefore be the order of the day. Particularly as the writers should be carrying on the tradition of those two sticklers for accuracy, William Boddy and Denis S Jenkinson.
[Incidentally I'm surprised nobody has picked me up for the sloppy typing of my post with half the capital letters missing. ]
#26
Posted 11 September 2006 - 13:42
Strangely enough, I learnt just a few days ago - and to my great surprise- that the "long" Monza track ( the 10,100 KMS version ) including a full lap of the banking was used as late as 1969 (!) for the yearly 1000kms World Sportscars Championship race ....I never realized that it had been used as late as that.Originally posted by subh
The banking wasn’t really used beyond the early 1960s
#27
Posted 11 September 2006 - 14:53
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#30
Posted 11 September 2006 - 18:09
During practice Moss got a tow from von Trips and a considerably better lap time than he could otherwise achieve.Originally posted by D-Type
Although the car was looked after by the works mechanics, I think (but don't know for certain) that Baghetti would have received his instructions and pit signals (such as they were) separately from the Scuderia drivers
"...by now Tavoni was awake to the trick and when he saw some British cars about to use Baghetti for a slip stream tow along the straight he signalled the Italian to come in. Engineer Chiti did not see this and when Baghetti stopped he asked what the trouble was, to which Baghetti replied that he did not know, Tavoni came up and said he could go off again now, as all the British cars were on the other side of the circuit" - DSJ
#31
Posted 11 September 2006 - 20:49
Originally posted by philippe7
Strangely enough, I learnt just a few days ago - and to my great surprise- that the "long" Monza track ( the 10,100 KMS version ) including a full lap of the banking was used as late as 1969 (!) for the yearly 1000kms World Sportscars Championship race ....I never realized that it had been used as late as that.
With chicanes in place before the north & south bankings from 1966 - 69 I believe