Does anybody miss DSJ?
#101
Posted 09 February 2008 - 18:40
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#102
Posted 09 February 2008 - 18:49
IIRC, the Turtle Spl had some form of semi locked diff designed for left hand turns on an oval, so right turns were rather eventful.
Roger Lund
#103
Posted 09 February 2008 - 19:27
#104
Posted 09 February 2008 - 21:25
DCN
#105
Posted 09 February 2008 - 22:08
#106
Posted 09 February 2008 - 22:54
Originally posted by fines
Thanks Alan, my mistake - thought it looked like a dirt car! I'm familiar with the "Turtle Drilling" Indy Car, but I'm more than a little intrigued by the second of your pics, showing Sam Hanks as the designated driver, he having retired from driving three years before the car was built! A case of sloppy restoration? FYI, I have the following actually driving the car in competition: Bob Veith, Jack Rounds, Ralph Liguori, Jiggs Peters, Leon Clum and Chuck Arnold!
After the car was renovated (i don't think that it has ever been restored), Hanks drove it at OMS in 1979. A four lap demonstration/exhibition.
The owner at the time was Ron Kellogg, IIRC.
#107
Posted 10 February 2008 - 10:31
#108
Posted 10 February 2008 - 12:26
#109
Posted 10 February 2008 - 19:28
Now I realise exactly who the prat was!!!! & I never even asked him for his autograph!
I've got a great future behind me!!!!
#110
Posted 10 February 2008 - 23:33
I am currently re-reading A Passion For Motor Sport having read it ten years ago (after receiving it as a Christmas gift). Am enjoying it even more this time around and have been reading much of it aloud as it is just too good not to share!
Watkins Glen paddock 1979
Lin
#111
Posted 11 February 2008 - 04:04
Wonder what he would have made of todays Historic Racing now fakes are legal etc,etc Would April's VSCC meeting be the same and a thousand other things.
He is missed and never been replaced.
#112
Posted 11 February 2008 - 11:39
In rare low moments towards the end of his life he would sometimes lament that "They've f---- up Grand Prix racing - now they're f------ up my hobby as well...". He regarded 'them' in both cases as being the same class of commercially-minded "wide boys". He had never been averse to change - technical change - advance. But change for change's sake, or change involving a reduction in long established standards, dismayed and angered him.
Somewhere on his cloud, blipping the throttle on his harp, he has just turned to Rodney Walkerley, Philip Turner and Pete Coltrin and said "Look at what those silly arses down there have done! We're in the best place, you know - we had the best of it....".
However, should anyone agree with him, he will instantly change tack -adopt a different stance - and begin to argue in favour of what has happened. Facing DSJ in a debate was always like trying to catch smoke.
DCN
#113
Posted 11 February 2008 - 13:08
With retrospect the sheer power of DSJ's writing can be seen in that his 1982 Monaco report was enough to make my 9 year old self toddle off and find out what exactly perspicacity might mean.
Not a word you find often in periodicals of today, more's the pity.
#114
Posted 11 February 2008 - 16:24
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Somewhere on his cloud, blipping the throttle on his harp, he has just turned to Rodney Walkerley, Philip Turner and Pete Coltrin and said "Look at what those silly arses down there have done! We're in the best place, you know - we had the best of it....".
DCN
A very good grouping Thank you, DCN (but can we also have Geoff Goddard taking a snap or two of it for posterity, please?).
#115
Posted 11 February 2008 - 16:32
Originally posted by Doug Nye
..........In rare low moments towards the end of his life he would sometimes lament that "They've f---- up Grand Prix racing - now they're f------ up my hobby as well...". He regarded 'them' in both cases as being the same class of commercially-minded "wide boys". He had never been averse to change - technical change - advance. But change for change's sake, or change involving a reduction in long established standards, dismayed and angered him.
DCN
How right he was.
#116
Posted 13 February 2008 - 11:58
Originally posted by fines
Yes, it was built in 1960. And thank you for the Sam Hanks info, Gerr. Do you know if "Turtle Drilling" was just a sponsor in 1962 and the car was still owned by Pete Schmidt and/or Wally Meskowski/Competition Engineering?
Turtle Drilling Co. is listed as the entrant. That's all I have.
#117
Posted 13 February 2008 - 19:42
Originally posted by Doug Nye
In rare low moments towards the end of his life he would sometimes lament that "They've f---- up Grand Prix racing - now they're f------ up my hobby as well...". He regarded 'them' in both cases as being the same class of commercially-minded "wide boys". He had never been averse to change - technical change - advance. But change for change's sake, or change involving a reduction in long established standards, dismayed and angered him.
DCN
For those not in the know about early post WW2 Britain, there was a group of characters dealing in materials that 'fell off the back of lorries'. At the street level, they wore wide-shouldered coats. Hence the appellation "wide boys" was given to those instinct to make a quick $ rose above other considerations.
#118
Posted 13 February 2008 - 19:58
Originally posted by oldtimer
For those not in the know about early post WW2 Britain, there was a group of characters dealing in materials that 'fell off the back of lorries'. At the street level, they wore wide-shouldered coats. Hence the appellation "wide boys" was given to those instinct to make a quick $ rose above other considerations.
Allegedly, the term is pre-WW2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_boy
(citing Robert Westerby's novel Wide Boys Never Work, 1937)
#119
Posted 13 February 2008 - 20:52
Ditto here. Thanks anyway!Originally posted by Gerr
Turtle Drilling Co. is listed as the entrant. That's all I have.
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#120
Posted 20 February 2008 - 20:24
I first remember Jenks from some time around 1949 / 50 or so. He was a passenger for Holly Birkett in a Night Trial, and my father went out to tow them in to the farmyard of the house where we lived in Gloucestershire.
The Austin Seven special had done what A7s often did back then - it had broken its crankshaft. At any rate, here was this chap with Holly, wearing a beard, duffel coat and mud, and it was hard to tell where one stopped and the other began.
The following day we set off to tow the special and its occupants to somewhere Holly knew where he could leave it, and get transport back to Fleet. My father at that time had a Rover 12, and it struggled going up Birdlip, so I, being just a boy and even smaller than Jenks, was detailed to sit in the special and steer while the Rover and the men pulled and pushed up the steep bit. I was thrilled!
I saw Jenks on and off quite a few times after that, mostly at race meetings but occasionally socially, and avidly read everything he wrote in Motor Sport and elsewhere. He loved and knew his subject, in the early days much more than later. He was also very convinced about what was right or wrong, and that attitude richened his writing.
Every true enthusiast who ever read Jenks must surely miss him.
#121
Posted 20 February 2008 - 21:36
And thanks for posting in this thread, which must surely be the oldest currently active thread on the whole forum!
#122
Posted 20 February 2008 - 21:46
How very appropriate.Originally posted by Ray Bell
... which must surely be the oldest currently active thread on the whole forum!
Roger, I take it you are the son of Jack French? You must have many more good stories ...
#123
Posted 21 February 2008 - 14:45
will race a 1930's MB F1 car and push it to the limit at Goodwood.That is what seperates the men from the boys.So I can agree with a lot of DSJ's comments.
#124
Posted 21 February 2008 - 14:48
#125
Posted 21 February 2008 - 15:25
He was irreplacable, and remains in my memories, that cast back to 1969 when i first found MotorSport at a newsagents, just about to enter my teens, and in thrall to what was to be, over the next 20yrs, some of the best GP racing of all time.His reports and Continental Notes, were most eagerly awaited every month, and few other writers on the sport, can compare with him. Of the noted that i always enjoyed, were Pete Lyons, and Nigel Roebuck. Others like Mike Doodson,Alan Henry and Joe Saward have also been greatly enjoyed.
I found a website for Pete Lyons recently, and felt compelled to mail him to let him know how much enjoyment i had derived from his writings, over the years, and particularly when he worked for Autosport. He sent me a swift and touching response, and i'm glad i could contact him. I saw Jenks once, at a race meeting, the mid 70's and dearly wish that i had had the confidence to try and corner him for a few minutes. Such was his lofty status, in my view, that i had not the courage to do so....but wish i had done!
DMJC
#126
Posted 21 February 2008 - 17:36
#127
Posted 22 February 2008 - 00:35
I wonder what he would have made of Bathurst - I think he would have approved of the circuit, but would have wanted to see real racing cars on it.
#128
Posted 22 February 2008 - 01:27
But he would have adored Lobethal!
#129
Posted 22 February 2008 - 12:36
Originally posted by D-Type
Did DSJ ever get to Australia?
I wonder what he would have made of Bathurst - I think he would have approved of the circuit, but would have wanted to see real racing cars on it.
I thought i read an article by another journo, who said DSJ did go to Bathurst, and thought it great, and the cars too....i maybe wrong though....i seem to recall reading this recently, but can't think where i saw it?
#130
Posted 22 February 2008 - 17:20
DCN
#131
Posted 22 February 2008 - 17:51
Lin
#132
Posted 23 February 2008 - 11:43
I find your anecdote very strange. For someone who was able to fling himself around a racing chair and who sat through many hairy moments in various racing situations (I am aware he puked during the MM, but who would not have) why should he vomit on the ground in an aeroplane. Nervous anticipation perhaps, or subscribing to the school of "if the good Lord had meant us to fly he'd have given us wings"?
john
#133
Posted 08 October 2008 - 22:32
DCN
#136
Posted 30 November 2008 - 18:13
#137
Posted 06 December 2008 - 12:31
The dynamic duo's autographs; I managed to get DSJ's at the Nurburgring in the 1970s whilst Moss signed at an Easter Monday Thruxton meeting when he was racing the Toyotas.
I was pleased that I managed to get the pair of them on the one page.
#138
Posted 06 December 2008 - 12:50
Seriously, I don't think that it looks that great, and it probably devalues the autographs, but if you're anything like me, you collect autographs for your own pleasure, so it doesn't really matter. I've never bought or been given an autograph; it's one way of guaranteeing authenticity and they are all special to me. I have seven F1 World Champs autographs (covering twelve championships) plus numerous lesser name (Moss etc...!) and I can recall how and where I got them all.
I never got Jenks however; stood next to the funny little fellow on a few occasions but was too embarassed to ask him for it; how I regret that now!
#139
Posted 06 December 2008 - 13:41
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#140
Posted 06 December 2008 - 14:30
Originally posted by Giraffe
I never got Jenks however; stood next to the funny little fellow on a few occasions but was too embarassed to ask him for it; how I regret that now!
When I stopped DSJ and asked for his autograph he was somewhat embarrassed. It went something along the lines of "Why would you want my autograph?" To which I replied "I always read your column in Motor Sport before any other items and you did win the Mille Miglia!"
He was also fantastic when I asked could he recommend anywhere to watch from!
#142
Posted 29 November 2009 - 00:25
Well done for that - people ike DSJ should never be forgotten. Mind you - 13 years has passed damn quick!!Jenks and Moss at the FoS, 1995...
Photos copyright Roger Lund
I just thought it might be seemly to mention that it was thirteen years ago today, 29.11.1996, that Jenks passed away.
Roger Lund.
#143
Posted 29 November 2009 - 10:32
#144
Posted 30 November 2009 - 13:00
DCN
#145
Posted 30 November 2009 - 13:32
Roger Lund
#146
Posted 30 November 2009 - 13:43
And there was me thinking he'd forgotten to pack the Preparation H ....The more observant of you might notice that SCM seems to be sitting rather higher in the car than you recall in period. At the time, 1995, ISTR that SCM was recovering from a bad injury to one of his legs after he had been knocked off his motor-scooter, and as a consequence was sitting on an inflatable ring to ease the movement of his legs.
Roger Lund
#147
Posted 30 November 2009 - 17:51
DCN
#148
Posted 30 November 2009 - 18:06
However, should anyone agree with him, he will instantly change tack -adopt a different stance - and begin to argue in favour of what has happened. Facing DSJ in a debate was always like trying to catch smoke.
DCN
Thanks mr. Nye.
That is the most endearing thing I have read about DSJ or anyone on this boards. If only more people were like that (around here and around the globe).
Edited by Chezrome, 30 November 2009 - 18:06.
#149
Posted 30 November 2009 - 19:12
#150
Posted 30 November 2009 - 20:22
Something for all journos to aim for.