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Gijs van Lennep helmet 1975

Started by d.emerson , Oct 31 2006 23:04

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#1 d.emerson

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 23:04

Hi everybody, :wave:

A friend is searching close photos of Gijs Van Lennep helmet from 1975. Can someone help him ? :up:

Many thanks for him.

Denis

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#2 Twin Window

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 23:13

He wore a Griffin in '75, from memory - his normal orange base colour, with red/white/blue bands from 'ear-to-ear'.

But no pics; sorry.

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#3 Henk A. Hazelaar

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 10:13

Year: ?????

Regards,

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#4 Frank de Jong

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 10:32

I guess that's 1973 or 1974 - and it's certainly not a griffin helmet.
here is a small picture of Gijs in 1975.
Google brought up this

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#5 Twin Window

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 11:32

Originally posted by Frank de Jong

I guess that's 1973 or 1974 - and it's certainly not a griffin helmet.
here is a small picture of Gijs in 1975.
Google brought up this

Henk's photo is from 1973; van Lennep switched from Bell to Griffin in '74.

EDIT: found this pic on the RSC site from the '74 Belgian GP...

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(Copyright Paul Kooyman)

That's the same lid he wore in 1975.

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#6 Gary Davies

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 12:28

This should no doubt be in the pronunciations thread, but how is 'Gijs' pronounced?

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#7 Twin Window

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 12:31

AFAIK it's pronounced 'guyse' (or guise with a 'ss' instead of a 'z' at the end), but doubtless our Dutch friends will shoot me down in flames!

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#8 Mischa Bijenhof

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 12:43

Originally posted by Twin Window
AFAIK it's pronounced 'guyse' (or guise with a 'ss' instead of a 'z' at the end), but doubtless our Dutch friends will shoot me down in flames!

Actually, that would be quite close, besides that fact that only the Dutch seem to be able to pronounce our famous 'g'.

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#9 Gary Davies

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 12:50

Thank you kindly, TW and Mischa. Relief is mine. All these years I've had 'Geesh' (with a hard G) running around in my head. Sheesh! :up:

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#10 Twin Window

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 12:50

Originally posted by Mischa Bijenhof

...besides that fact that only the Dutch seem to be able to pronounce our famous 'g'.

But the pronunciation of the 'g' would differ between north and the south of the rivers, would it not?

Guttural in the north, more hissing in the south...?

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#11 d.emerson

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 12:56

Many thanks, I think this will help him and I invite him to come here.

Twin, you seem to be a languages specialist ! If Adriaan come here, he will surely be accord with you for the prononciation. :up:

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#12 Bonde

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 13:02

Our Dutch friends can correct me, but isn't it more along the lines of 'Gace'?

(And that Dutch G is very unusual to my ear - almost a gutteral 'X' like in Spanish 'Xavier', or the German 'ch'-sound)

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#13 Hieronymus

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 13:06

Originally posted by Mischa Bijenhof

...besides that fact that only the Dutch seem to be able to pronounce our famous 'g'.

I'll challenge you on that, Mischa!

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#14 Racer.Demon

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 17:20

Originally posted by Bonde
Our Dutch friends can correct me, but isn't it more along the lines of 'Gace'?

In fact, it's somewhere in between 'Gace' and 'Guyce'...

If there are still Spaniards who are able to pronounce our guttural 'g' (indeed the one north of the rivers, TW!), I'll be hard pressed to find any other people that can do our 'ij'...

(Other than those wretched Afrikaners, of course.;) )

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#15 jorism

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 18:01

This is the Griffin helmet in it's actual state, still owned by Gijs.

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#16 Bonde

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 19:59

History of the Griffin notwithstanding, am I alone in finding it an incredibly ugly lid shape?

...and regarding pronunciations, in Danish we have the 'rødgrød med fløde' test, which tends to be a dead giveaway for most non-Danes...

Mattijs - your suggestion of Gijs being inbetween 'Gace' and 'Guyce' rings spot-on in my ears - even if I can't pronounce Dutch!

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#17 macoran

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 20:01

Originally posted by Mischa Bijenhof

Actually, that would be quite close, besides that fact that only the Dutch seem to be able to pronounce our famous 'g'.

not only the "G" Mischa, the "ij" is a tongue twister for non Dutch as well !!!!

You and I both have the "ij" in our surnames and you probably know as well as I do
how our family names are involuntarily corrupted by non Dutch tongues.

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#18 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 20:11

Originally posted by jorism
This is the Griffin helmet in it's actual state, still owned by Gijs.

From the days F1 drivers used 1 helmet for say, 2 seasons?

With regard to pronouncing a 'G' in dutch, I always explain italian friends its the same sound as an espresso machine makes. An effective language course ;)

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#19 Twin Window

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 23:15

Originally posted by Arjan de Roos

From the days F1 drivers used 1 helmet for say, 2 seasons?

Yep; those were the days! :up:

Great pic, Joris...

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#20 Hieronymus

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 05:44

Originally posted by Racer.Demon

In fact, it's somewhere in between 'Gace' and 'Guyce'...

If there are still Spaniards who are able to pronounce our guttural 'g' (indeed the one north of the rivers, TW!), I'll be hard pressed to find any other people that can do our 'ij'...

(Other than those wretched Afrikaners, of course.;) )

...and as some folk wish to point out...Dutch/Afrikaans are not languages, but more like a "disease of the throat".

Serious though, the Griffin somehow reminds me of the helmets that the astronauts use to wear at one stage. Was this not perhaps the inspiration behind the shape of the Griffin?

I somewhere have a nice photo of Van Lennep sporting the helmet under discussion, but in my haste I could not find it last night.