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#101 Melbourne Park

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 00:15

Originally posted by firebone
High definition broadcasting is definitely worth it- I find it hard to believe you have ever watched a sporting event in HD. Difference is mind blowing, through my provider I have seperate feeds of non-hd and hd, and switching between the 2 it looks like the non-HD is footage from the 1970s.

I'll be extremely satisfied once everything is broadcast in HD.


The difference for me is not so great. I have had a digital set top box with a hard disk in it and two tuners, before getting the plasma, but the plasma was far superior to the CRT set. With the normal 570 satellite transmission, and it looks extremely good on the 50 inch medium definition Pioneer 7 generation screen. The HD transmission looks better but not by a huge margin - the colours though are a bit better, the detail improvement is really marginally better IMO. HD's 3 D sound when that is being broadcast is much better though.

Compared to the previous TV its 20 times better though, even in the normal digital transmission. However the normal analogue signal is vastly inferior. My conclusion is that digital is far superior when shown on a large panel, but that the higher density screen is providing only marginal improvements.

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#102 denthierry

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 08:06

Originally posted by kar


Are you joking?

I'm assuming from this statement that you in fact don't have a high def tele, nor have probably watched anything of substance on one because the difference between ITV digital and high def on my tele is like night and day.

On modern LCD/Plasma panels standard digital looks pretty poor. On your normal tele it's fine, but since on high def panels it has to stretch the image to fit the resolution of the screen the result is not always pretty. Particularly with fast moving content, like F1.

Transmitting in high def means these panels can display at their native resolution and it appears vastly superior in quality to standard digital.

I can't honestly believe you came out with this comment to be honest, shades of Jackie Stewart... (Comment without suitable awareness of the subject being commented upon...)


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#103 denthierry

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 08:10

Originally posted by Bloggsworth


In 1946 the BBC proposed that televisions should have a 1000 line definition, the proposal was turned down as it was thought that people would then be forced to throw away perfectly good televisions in order to upgrade. Ask yourself whether it is worth wrecking the planet just so that you can now see the previously invisible hairs on Nicole Kiddman's top lip.............................


ever thought of abandoning telex for e-mail? Or you'd rather stick to smoke signals and pigeons perhaps?

#104 Bloggsworth

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 08:35

Originally posted by paranoik0


Wrecking the planet :rotfl:

Are you some sort of angry hippy?


No, just not willing to suckered in by the manufacurers of:

Electronic Hi-Fi/Video/Cd/DVD/Blue Marlin leaves every other DVD trailing in its wake/No, my DVD spec is better than your DVD spec/But it won't play on my DVD player, so sucks boo to you/Who needs DVD, look at my PVR/Yeah, but you cant take your PVR to a mates hous/Yep. That's because we don't want you too so that you will have to buy more gizmos that only we make/Anyway, in 3 years all this will be obsolete and we'll try to sell you the next latest thing and you'll all rush out and buy it to impress your friends..............................

The Hitachis and Sonys of this world bring out about 3 or 4 "New" models of exactly the same thing every year, each one more shiny and withe more flashing lights than the last one, they don't work any better in most instances, they are to increase sales. I doubt a modern Hi-Fi FM radio works 1% better than the one I bought 20 years ago; and DAB is of such an appalling quality that it is offensive to the ear. Not everything that's new is better, most of it is designed and marketed to make you think that you can't live without it. If you don't believe me, just look at the resolution available on a Kodachrome 25 transparency and compare it with a picture from an 8 Megapixel camera....................

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 08:51

Originally posted by Bloggsworth


No, just not willing to suckered in by the manufacurers of:

Electronic Hi-Fi/Video/Cd/DVD/Blue Marlin leaves every other DVD trailing in its wake/No, my DVD spec is better than your DVD spec/But it won't play on my DVD player, so sucks boo to you/Who needs DVD, look at my PVR/Yeah, but you cant take your PVR to a mates hous/Yep. That's because we don't want you too so that you will have to buy more gizmos that only we make/Anyway, in 3 years all this will be obsolete and we'll try to sell you the next latest thing and you'll all rush out and buy it to impress your friends..............................

The Hitachis and Sonys of this world bring out about 3 or 4 "New" models of exactly the same thing every year, each one more shiny and withe more flashing lights than the last one, they don't work any better in most instances, they are to increase sales. I doubt a modern Hi-Fi FM radio works 1% better than the one I bought 20 years ago; and DAB is of such an appalling quality that it is offensive to the ear. Not everything that's new is better, most of it is designed and marketed to make you think that you can't live without it. If you don't believe me, just look at the resolution available on a Kodachrome 25 transparency and compare it with a picture from an 8 Megapixel camera....................


I sort of agree and sort of don't agree. To me, the real innovation has been when digital technology allows us to do something fundamentally different to what we did before. The iPod and other MP3 players are a great step forward as they allow you to carry huge amounts of music with you in a small robust package. You couldn't do that with analogue. Digital cameras allow you to take large numbers of pictures, not have to wait for the film to be developed, and let you see the picture right after it's taken.

On the other hand, HDTV doesn't do anything fundamentally different. It's still just TV. Same with digital radio. It's just radio using different technology. The real benefit of digital technology in those cases is a marketing one.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 09:02

Originally posted by Bloggsworth


In 1946 the BBC proposed that televisions should have a 1000 line definition, the proposal was turned down as it was thought that people would then be forced to throw away perfectly good televisions in order to upgrade. Ask yourself whether it is worth wrecking the planet just so that you can now see the previously invisible hairs on Nicole Kiddman's top lip.............................



hahah hippy alert, if you worried about wrecking the planet mate, stop watching motorsports!

and yes, for sure it is worth it to see the hairs on Nicole Kiddmans lips, buy Basic Instinct on HD DVD and zoom in on the money shot, oh the benefits of modern technology.

I wish F1 the pinnacle of technology would just pick up the HDTV bandwagon, it really is about time we saw some proper coverage.

Football looks amazing in HD as does many many TV shows, F1 would be by far the most awesome thing to see in HD

Come on Bernie, splash some of your cash

#107 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 11:47

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
I'm not bothering to upgrade to HD until F1, or any other motor sport I watch, is broadcast in it.


Hmm the 'full' or pseudo? (are some 1... x 1080 sets still not real HD sets?) HD resolutions TV are flooding onto the market in large quantities nowadays at relatively reasonable prices.

[However Sony's higher RRP for standalone Blu-ray player than PS3 is rather puzzling considering the gaping reduction in capabilities on the latter!]

F1 will adopt for full HD for 2008 then, which will be a step forward for the backwards old buggers at FOM! :lol:

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 11:51

Originally posted by Bloggsworth


In 1946 the BBC proposed that televisions should have a 1000 line definition, the proposal was turned down as it was thought that people would then be forced to throw away perfectly good televisions in order to upgrade. Ask yourself whether it is worth wrecking the planet just so that you can now see the previously invisible hairs on Nicole Kiddman's top lip.............................


I find it hard to believe the magnificent Brabham-Repco is incapable of defending it's championship won a few odd years ago, all the electricity going into the energy-greedy carbon-fibre manufacturing process seems such a waste just to grab a few Newtons more downforce on the lousy Williams FW29. ;)

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 12:02

Originally posted by V8 Fireworks


I find it hard to believe the magnificent Brabham-Repco is incapable of defending it's championship won a few odd years ago, all the electricity going into the energy-greedy carbon-fibre manufacturing process seems such a waste just to grab a few Newtons more downforce on the lousy Williams FW29. ;)


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#110 Melbourne Park

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 00:17

Originally posted by Bloggsworth


No, just not willing to suckered in by the manufacurers of:

Electronic Hi-Fi/Video/Cd/DVD/Blue Marlin leaves every other DVD trailing in its wake/No, my DVD spec is better than your DVD spec/But it won't play on my DVD player, so sucks boo to you/Who needs DVD, look at my PVR/Yeah, but you cant take your PVR to a mates hous/Yep. That's because we don't want you too so that you will have to buy more gizmos that only we make/Anyway, in 3 years all this will be obsolete and we'll try to sell you the next latest thing and you'll all rush out and buy it to impress your friends..............................

The Hitachis and Sonys of this world bring out about 3 or 4 "New" models of exactly the same thing every year, each one more shiny and withe more flashing lights than the last one, they don't work any better in most instances, they are to increase sales. I doubt a modern Hi-Fi FM radio works 1% better than the one I bought 20 years ago; and DAB is of such an appalling quality that it is offensive to the ear. Not everything that's new is better, most of it is designed and marketed to make you think that you can't live without it. If you don't believe me, just look at the resolution available on a Kodachrome 25 transparency and compare it with a picture from an 8 Megapixel camera....................


Well I hope your still using that 15 year old video camera and that 10 year old computer. They certainly cost a lot more than today's ones do, so they must be a lot better, and you certainly you got a lot more quality back then, eh? :lol:

#111 Jhope

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 00:20

Originally posted by SeanValen



The TV sets now with 1080p has new technologies and chips that work with fast moving images like f1.


No one braodcasts in 1080p yet. Save yourself a few bucks and get a 780p or a 1080i

#112 MaxBerrevoets

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 00:46

I can confirm that they used HD cameras at the Canadian Grand Prix. I stood right beside one for Saturday practice and Quali.

#113 TecnoRacing

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 01:04

The HD transmission looks better but not by a huge margin - the colours though are a bit better, the detail improvement is really marginally better IMO. HD's 3 D sound when that is being broadcast is much better though.



Something is obviously lacking in your setup - either the transmission or recption - here (USA via SAT) the visual difference is quite massive...

Not everything that's new is better, most of it is designed and marketed to make you think that you can't live without it.



Well, that's not a revalation, it's quite obvious...

But I do say - and I'm certainly not a technology or TV freak - that the step up to HD has been revalatory when it comes to the visual expereince of watching sports/motorsports...

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 02:20

Originally posted by fer312t
Something is obviously lacking in your setup - either the transmission or recption - here (USA via SAT) the visual difference is quite massive...

I think in Australia we have a much higher quality digital satellite signal. It looks about the same as our DVD quality. We have more lines than the US, our system is similar to Germany's PAL.

The message I am making though is that low - medium density - for us I think its 576P - which is what our standard digital transmission is - looks similar to a DVD.

Strangely going up to Blue Ray widescreen, the overall picture becomes smaller with a blue ray due to the lower height of the overall image. Although the colour is a bit better, a good DVD therefore has larger people images in it, the screen is all used, it often looks a bit better.

Well ... how can I say "often" - we have only looked at the one blue ray disk!

#115 rye&ginger

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 21:48

HDTV gives much more 3-d level of detail, due to the better resolution. I cant bother to watch much TV in standard definition any more unless its sports that are not in HD as of yet. Even with movies will only watch high def versions now.

No one is going to 'throw away' older TV's, they can still be used. Newer HDTV's are often eco friendly by not having many heavy metals, consume much less power, have energy saving features, etc..

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 04:15

SPEED going HD starting with '08 Daytona coverage
http://www.nascar.co...rage/index.html

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 16:38

Originally posted by Mat
SPEED going HD starting with '08 Daytona coverage
http://www.nascar.co...rage/index.html


SpeedTV HD is now available on Directv, but it doesn't seem to have any HD programs yet. :

#118 jonpollak

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 17:01

More news here
Jp

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 17:13

Originally posted by Bloggsworth

I doubt a modern Hi-Fi FM radio works 1% better than the one I bought 20 years ago; and DAB is of such an appalling quality that it is offensive to the ear.

You are contradicting yourself quite a lot here. You are so sensitive that you find DAB offensive to the ear (it's not that bad) and yet you don't think HD-TV is any better than crappy compressed SD TV? Either you're slightly blind and therefore have sensitive hearing or you're just complaining about HD-TV for the sake of it. FM when received correctly is better quality than DAB, but HD-TV is better than either analogue or digital SD-TV no matter what you say.

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 19:22

Originally posted by se7en_24
You are contradicting yourself quite a lot here. You are so sensitive that you find DAB offensive to the ear (it's not that bad) and yet you don't think HD-TV is any better than crappy compressed SD TV? Either you're slightly blind and therefore have sensitive hearing or you're just complaining about HD-TV for the sake of it. FM when received correctly is better quality than DAB, but HD-TV is better than either analogue or digital SD-TV no matter what you say.


Uncompressed HD-TV should be better, but if the broadcasters go the same route as SD and try to cram more HD channels in, then we could end up with needing HD to get SD quality.

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 16:32

As I always say... I'm surpried sponsors haven't DEMANDED HD, so their decals can actually be read.
The difference with HD TV shows is big.
With a sports show it is HUGE, specially something fast moving - like basketball.

F1 won't go HD unless BernieBucks ($$$) are included.

F1 is Euro based? Funny, I thought it was Asian based.;)

Are you some sort of angry hippy?
Not me. I plan to build a house out of all those curbside TVs!

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 11:31

well, new season ahead. geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet up the topic ;)


will we have HD-TV Formula1 in 2008?

no notice about this and plans should be done ):

#123 SeanValen

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 11:36

All those new HD TVs people brought over Christmas, ITV should have HD ITV like BBC has it's HD channel.

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 12:03

maybe Premiere in germany or sKy in italy are more interested in this issue.

Has sky in england any right on tv-f1? or just itv?

#125 Georg_Kuyumji

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 12:13

No HD and no moveable onboard cameras all over the car in F1 like it is in NASCAR, no complete car-pit radio transmission, no cameras inside the helmet like in CART etc.

It's about time for F1 to catch up to other Racing series when it comes to these Technologies :kiss:

#126 Lantern

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 12:22

Somebody oughta tell Bernie that he is now behind pro wrestling as it went HD about a week ago.


Soon the only standard def TV shows left will be public broadcast.........and F1. That's just not right for a sport that prides itself on new tech.

#127 TennisUK

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 17:32

ITV HD is launching later this year, around summer time, there are rumours f1 will be broadcast on this new channel. I understand the launch is set for around July time. Certainly BernieVision now shoot in HD, so it's probably the same old licensing issues to get round - and if ITV can make it financially viable, then hopefully it will work out. The grands prix shown in cinema in the UK were "broadcast" in HD.

It's rather odd that f1, despite being a hi-tech showcase is broadcastin SD - and not even in anamorphic widescreen!

Hopefully this will be the year...

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 22:50

Last year Indy television was done by "F1 Communications". They brought in their own people and equipment, incuding a very euro looking air conditioned tent. Every F1 Com. camera I saw was HD. They seemed to be using a slick wireless system to link their cams around the track.

I am sure Bernie has already spent the money for HD, and likely shot and produced every race last year in HD. The HD just never got beyond some hard drive inside that airconditioned tent. This is merely my speculation perhaps someone is in the know on this...

Why no HD feeds? I bet it has something to do with broadcast right$$$

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 00:10

Someone knowledgeable at another forum said that the cameras he's seen used in F1 use HDTV lenses but aren't actually HDTV cameras. I think the people in charge of F1 are in general too old to get the importance of HDTV.

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 02:28

er "HD lenses" would actually make no sense... They are HD through and through, have been for about 12 months.

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 11:00

don't you think it could also be a problem of having all those cameras in HD? I mean the cameras on the cars ando so? Maybe too expensive atm?

#132 Georg_Kuyumji

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 11:59

Originally posted by Beyond
don't you think it could also be a problem of having all those cameras in HD? I mean the cameras on the cars ando so? Maybe too expensive atm?


The Cameras in cars could still be in SD until the HD cameras gets 'cheap' enough to use it in cars too

#133 Juan Kerr

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 12:47

There's a few things I don't understand..
Why they haven't got a better drivers' eye view, why they haven't got a fast frame rate on the cameras since they always show slow motion shots and why they don't seem to be interested in auto zoom car or tracking onboard cameras since the hardware and software is out there and cheap enough.
Based on the way my camera tracks faces and focuses on them surely since thats only £200 worth of camera there must be a way of having auto zoom and focus on an onboard camera.
Mini cams helmet mounted is the way forward, I think they could easily be incorporated into the drivers helmet with a bit of collaboration. Surely motorised too, the software could be slowly developed there's no rush for that.
I want to see more radio controlled hovering cameras also, they dont have to be right over the track, just be more creative with it all like the yanks.

#134 dutra

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 19:00

Here in Brazil there is a small possibility of the HD transmission of F1 starts in the second semestrer, as a test. But probably will be real only in 2009. The good news is that its in free tv, but just for who lives in some cities where the digital broadcast will be available until then.

#135 Georg_Kuyumji

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 21:03

Originally posted by Juan Kerr

Why they haven't got a better drivers' eye view


You mean like this :up:






#136 917k

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 22:13

Pathetic........

If someone wants to shame Bernie, let him know that the ENTIRE 2008 IRL season will be in HD, on ESPN.

Now, if that isn't humbling, what is?

#137 Georg_Kuyumji

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 22:38

Originally posted by 917k
Pathetic........

If someone wants to shame Bernie, let him know that the ENTIRE 2008 IRL season will be in HD, on ESPN.

Now, if that isn't humbling, what is?


One could also let him know that NASCAR was in HD in 2007. NASCAR's 2nd series the Busch Series (kind of like the GP2) was also in HD.

#138 ashnathan

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 23:03

how did they follow the cars like that in the longbeach clip? that was awesome.

#139 Stibbles

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 04:26

Originally posted by V8 Fireworks

I must say that model number is cryptic to say the least :p


It's a panasonic HD capable 50"

TH42PX600A with digi Foxtel

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#140 pikamoku

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 08:29

hi Bernie, are you there? have you read this topic? have you learnt anything?

knock, knock Bernie, gooooood morning. Time to waaaake up¡¡¡


IRL, Wrestling,..... uuffff¡ Next thing will be RedBull Air Challenge (or whatever), all but F1

#141 MichaelJP

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 11:46

To be honest, while I would love F1 to be HD in 2008, I can't see it. It's not even widescreen yet.

I'd be happy if they upgraded the ancient graphics and on-screen info. How many times have we seen the stupid display showing the order with the number of pitstops, when what we need to know are the gaps and how they are changing?

It's fine if you have access to the live web timing but if not a modern tactical F1 race is near unwatchable.

#142 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 11:53

Of all the countries F1 is transmitted to worldwide how many are widescreen or HD capable?

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 12:12

Originally posted by SeanValen
All those new HD TVs people brought over Christmas, ITV should have HD ITV like BBC has it's HD channel.


Plus their setup box needs to be hd as well.

thats another £300 to spend just for 4 channels (extra £10 to get the sky hd channels of which there are 11)
ITVHD is scheduled for this spring.

Forget Freeview HD as nothing is planned at all until after 2012.

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 16:48

Originally posted by Gilles4Ever
Of all the countries F1 is transmitted to worldwide how many are widescreen or HD capable?

Several will be capable, but I guess most will be like the UK with quite low take-up currently. The thing with that line of thought though is why F1 deems it unnecessary when so many other sports (NASCAR, Premier league football, Wrestling etc) think it is worth it. Those sports are obviously getting enough HD-capable viewers, and I wouldn't imagine F1 would be any different.

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 17:08

they should have the gps signal from the cars accessible for the live feed so you can see in real time the gap between cars rather than at the 3 splits

#146 Kim's a Kimi Fan

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 19:21

On TSN-HD, we had wide screen HD pictures of the races with audio from ITV. The onboard camera shots were noticeably lower quality than the regular shots. The widescreen coverage is nice except that the graphics are in the wrong position, as if they overlaid the graphics for a 4:3 screen on top of the 16:9 picture. Kind of stupid because the graphics are quite annoying when they're not at the edges of the picture.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 03:50

Originally posted by Welsh


Plus their setup box needs to be hd as well.

thats another £300


WHAT! :eek:

Here in Brazil, these setup box with HD are costing less then 100 dollars.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 09:40

Originally posted by Kim's a Kimi Fan
On TSN-HD, we had wide screen HD pictures of the races with audio from ITV. The onboard camera shots were noticeably lower quality than the regular shots. The widescreen coverage is nice except that the graphics are in the wrong position, as if they overlaid the graphics for a 4:3 screen on top of the 16:9 picture. Kind of stupid because the graphics are quite annoying when they're not at the edges of the picture.



Are you sure it was HD?

I had seen the same 16:9 format used on ORF1 (Austria) or Polsat Sport (Poland). However it's just wide screen not a HD.

And I agree with your opinion on graphics on screen..really annoying

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 09:54

Originally posted by dutra


WHAT! :eek:

Here in Brazil, these setup box with HD are costing less then 100 dollars.

Yep, we get screwed on the cost of everything and the government/monopolies like BT won't invest in better infrastructure.

#150 ColdHeart

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 16:18

Not only will the entire IRL season be shown in HD, so will the IPS support series. And the IRL will use a new HD in-car (actually on-car) camera that can rotate 360 degrees while panning and zooming.
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