A GPL photo album for Christmas
#1
Posted 26 December 2006 - 16:32
(These would have been here earlier if the old TNF contributors' website system still worked as well as it once did...but thanks Stu/Twin Window for helping post these images - and thanks to DSJ who died 10 years ago, and to Geoff who passed away earlier this year, for preserving such material for us)
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Any thoughts, anyone, on the whos, whats, wheres and whys of any or all of the above? Some are patently b------ obvious, but I just like the shot in any case...while one or two are very rare indeed...
All Photos are from The GP Library/GPL
And Best Wishes for a Very Happy, Enjoyable, Fulfilling and Safe New Year.
DCN
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#2
Posted 26 December 2006 - 16:40
#3
Posted 26 December 2006 - 17:34
#4
Posted 26 December 2006 - 19:09
# 9 - Coupe René le Bègue at Saint Cloud on June 9, 1946, with Sommer's Maserati on pole, beside of the Wimille's Alfa Romeo....
# 14 - Circuito di Pescara on August 15, 1954, with Manzon/Rosier/Swaters's Ferraris, and the Musso's winning Maserati.
# 16 - Buenos Aires GP on February 5, 1956, with the winner JM. Fangio and his Lancia-Ferrari D50.
Thanks Doug !
#5
Posted 26 December 2006 - 19:33
#4 is the 1934 TT at Ards. Can't be earlier (no riding mechanic). Cars are the Frazer Nashes of PM Thompson and Neil Berry. Thompson was 15th overall, Berry 17th and last.
#12B Tourist Trophy Garage, Farnham
#8 Chimay 1946? Legat and Bira on the front row?
#6
Posted 26 December 2006 - 19:41
#7
Posted 26 December 2006 - 20:16
#8
Posted 26 December 2006 - 20:21
#9
Posted 26 December 2006 - 20:25
Could very well be.Originally posted by Dennis Hockenbury
I agree with 12B vitesse, however is that JMH in a Riley driving into the forecourt?
#10
Posted 26 December 2006 - 20:58
#11
Posted 26 December 2006 - 21:08
#12
Posted 26 December 2006 - 21:31
Originally posted by starlet
Not his Alfa Romeo 8C ??
Definitely his Alfa 8C
Thanks for the photos, Doug.
#13
Posted 26 December 2006 - 21:35
#14
Posted 26 December 2006 - 21:56
DCN
#15
Posted 26 December 2006 - 22:03
#16
Posted 27 December 2006 - 07:43
Lyon/Givors not Tours - hairpin at Les Sept-Chemins.Originally posted by Vitesse2
#1 1924 GP de l'ACF at Tours? Segrave's Sunbeam?
No. 2 is also a view towards the hairpin at Les Sept-Chemins, from the famous "Esses".
#17
Posted 27 December 2006 - 07:59
#18
Posted 27 December 2006 - 09:25
11 Emeryson , ENB , Pau 61 Gendebien or Bianchi
#19
Posted 27 December 2006 - 15:26
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#20
Posted 27 December 2006 - 17:00
#21
Posted 27 December 2006 - 17:04
#22
Posted 27 December 2006 - 17:42
Well it's upside down in what looks like the Goodwood infield although those hay bales look a bit French to me....
It could be a single-seater but more likely a spaceframe sports car devoid of it's bodywork. The wires are presumably Borranis but seem to hide large ventilated drums. The bold advertising suggests 60s more than 50s (I presume the word is "racing") but it's all the more complicated as the car already seems to be partly covered by a "body bag".
Then there's that seat/bulkhead in the middle of the photo, is that the Raiffeisenkasse emblem as featured on Niki Lauda's helmet ?
In a word I haven't a clue.... :
#23
Posted 27 December 2006 - 18:19
Originally posted by Pablo Vignone
Arturo, please see the post before yours. ¡It's Mendoza!
Ah, ok !! Thank you Pablo
#24
Posted 27 December 2006 - 18:28
DCN
#25
Posted 27 December 2006 - 18:51
You are right.Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
5 Baird Ferrari ?
This photograph shows the first Ferrari to compete in the Tourist Trophy races.
It was in 1951, with the 212 Export driven by R. Baird and J. Lucas. They finished 6th.
#26
Posted 27 December 2006 - 19:44
No 7. Could it be Mario Mazzacurati with his Maserati in South Africa during the Gold City Handicap on the Lord Howe Circuit on the 1st January, 1940?
John
#27
Posted 27 December 2006 - 20:29
Roger Lund.
#28
Posted 27 December 2006 - 21:32
Originally posted by humphries
Doug
No 7. Could it be Mario Mazzacurati with his Maserati in South Africa during the Gold City Handicap on the Lord Howe Circuit on the 1st January, 1940?
John
Nice thought. It 'could be' but is that a Maserati rear end, and there are other possibilities south of Aberdeen...
DCN
#29
Posted 27 December 2006 - 21:39
Originally posted by bill moffat
Number 10 is the one that is hurting my already festive-season-compromised brain.
Well it's upside down in what looks like the Goodwood infield although those hay bales look a bit French to me....
Good call Bill - I admire a bloke who knows his hay... Focus upon a car from a seldom mentioned Italian marque.
DCN
#30
Posted 27 December 2006 - 21:48
Originally posted by bradbury west
Number 2. is it at Brooklands during its construction, with the river Wey in the bottom, and a local gamekeeper, plus bag, looking down?
Roger Lund.
Roger - grandstand area already visible in the distance there...see Robert's perceptive post above. The fourche at Les Sept Chemins lies at the junction of the return straight and the pits straight beyond the furthest infield coppice. These lovely landscape shots - which rather lose their impact in this small size - do indeed record the GP de l'ACF scene at Lyons-Givors, 1924. Last time I visited the circuit, the apex building at the old fourche was still standing, a hauntingly atmospheric sight for anyone who could picture the GP Mercedes, the Peugeots, the Alfa P2s, the Sunbeams slewing around it, and hammering away into another lap...
I have always thought that the kind of scene captured in pic 1 would make a wonderful diorama subject for a keen motor racing model maker.
DCN
#31
Posted 27 December 2006 - 22:15
#32
Posted 27 December 2006 - 22:24
The wrap would tend to indicate a fairly serious accident, and the wording would appear to be on the car not the wrap -
#33
Posted 27 December 2006 - 22:25
Saywell's tipo B at the 1939 Australian GP?
#34
Posted 28 December 2006 - 00:13
Originally posted by RTH
Looking back from such a distance in time how much more interesting a photo is when the image of the car is small and there is a great deal of detailed background , particually those taken from high level, unusual and fascinating photographs especially town and street scenes thanks.
Doug, mea culpa regarding no 2. I missed Robert's post altogether.
Richard's comment above reminds me of something which I read about Geoff Goddard. As I recall it, he had a "thing" about picture editors who would crop , often quite mercilessly, a very good shot showing the car/s in a very full scene, c/w appropriate background, which invariably "made" the shot so attractive and meaningful, just so they could get a supposedly better view of the car. How often we see that sort of glossy shot these days in the magazines..............
Roger
#35
Posted 28 December 2006 - 01:33
Originally posted by alessandro silva
Surely 7 an Alfa Romeo in Australia?
Saywell's tipo B at the 1939 Australian GP?
A good call... perhaps?
Never seen a photo of the pits at Lobethal (no, not ever!), so I can't confirm.
#36
Posted 28 December 2006 - 03:13
I have always thought that the kind of scene captured in pic 1 would make a wonderful diorama subject for a keen motor racing model maker.
DCN [/B]
Here are some dioramas that are quite good. Check out all 3 pages...
http://www.modelfoxb...it/diorami1.htm
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Posted 28 December 2006 - 04:48
#38
Posted 28 December 2006 - 06:48
Not hay bales, but wheat stooks, so reaper & binder, late 50's, -my first farm job, that aside, front engined, twin exhaust pipes, drum brakes and Clue 1 was seldom mentioned Italian marque , I am out of my depth here, but I find this one fascinating!Originally posted by bill moffat
Number 10 is the one that is hurting my already festive-season-compromised brain.
Well it's upside down in what looks like the Goodwood infield although those hay bales look a bit French to me....
In a word I haven't a clue.... :
#39
Posted 28 December 2006 - 07:12
Originally posted by Andrew Fellowes
Not hay bales, but wheat stooks, so reaper & binder, late 50's, -my first farm job, that aside, front engined, twin exhaust pipes, drum brakes and Clue 1 was seldom mentioned Italian marque , I am out of my depth here, but I find this one fascinating!
Well I reckon OSCA is somewhere above "seldom-mentioned" so how about a Moretti ?
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#40
Posted 28 December 2006 - 09:58
Its not a Stanguellini or similar being used in a film set is it? It almost looks like its been wrapped ready to be unravelled and the film reversed to create a roll over
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Posted 28 December 2006 - 11:08
#42
Posted 28 December 2006 - 11:11
#43
Posted 28 December 2006 - 21:38
OK so that didn't get a rapturous round of appaluse, and I've looked at things like Volpini and Cisitalia,Originally posted by bill moffat
Well I reckon OSCA is somewhere above "seldom-mentioned" so how about a Moretti ?
Huw suggests why has it been wrapped, and Doug answers with , that would suggest that he is getting warmer, could it be in France in the 60's perhaps?
BT35-8 is calling in shortly, but he'll be no damn use either, time to talk to my friend google..........
#44
Posted 28 December 2006 - 22:22
Originally posted by Catalina Park
Could number 7 be Jack Saywell's Alfa facing the wrong way at Bathurst, Easter 39?
No, not really at all like Bathurst...
It does look 'Lobethal' and it does look like a Norman Howard picture. It has me somewhat bewildered.
Where is it? If there was a 'racing pits' setup just before the Mt Torrens Corner, this would make sense. But it would mean people crossing the road during the race, as the start was up the side road from that corner, directly opposite. And I'm sure the main paddock area was up that road. Or I was sure!
#45
Posted 30 December 2006 - 23:18
Originally posted by Catalina Park
Could number 7 be Jack Saywell's Alfa facing the wrong way at Bathurst, Easter 39?
Yes Cat, and Ray, and especially Alessandro who mentioned Saywell first - the original for No 7 is captioned as being "Jack Saywell's Alfa, Lobethal...question mark..."
No 10 - Rudi was first to mention the magic/mythical name 'Burano' - this photo shows one of the slightly tricked-up elderly Maseratis up-ended ready for further shooting at Reims during the making of 'Such Men Are Dangerous'/'The Racers' with Kirk Douglas gritting his teeth and generally heroicking...
For the other shots it is indeed Ruesch's big, beautiful Alfa 8C-35 at Crystal Palace, it is the TT at Ards with the 'Nashes gnashing, it is the bridge at Pau, it is the first postwar GP des Frontieres at Chimay and yes it is not only the Hawthorn family's 8C-2300 driving onto the forecourt of their TT Garage business here in Farnham but that is Mike himself driving it. While the garage buildings pictured have been/are being altered virtually beyond recognition, the bay-fronted shop-cum-office building beyond still exists and remains instantly reocgnisable.
The shot of Divo in the GP Delage rwith its exquisitely engine-turned bodywork really is stunning, but I hestitate to reproduce it here large enough for the car's full beauty to be appreciated 'cos it would take hours to load. At that time Louis Delage still insisted that his company's competition cars should demonstrate the most glitzy standard of external finish, matching what he wanted his road car customers to believe they could expect when they purchased Delages. Into the reign of the straight-8 cars in 1926-27 this insistence by Le Patron was allowed to slip...and aesthetically his GP team cars became far more utilitarian.
DCN
#46
Posted 01 January 2007 - 18:40
Sorry to butt in but I've tried to PM you but your mailbox is full and needs clearing out (it says).
Paul
#47
Posted 01 January 2007 - 19:37
#48
Posted 17 January 2007 - 22:50
Number 7 is Jack Saywell and 2.9 Alfa at AGP Lobethal 1939, helmeted driver on the left and almost certainly Jock Finlayson with his back to the photographer. The clothing is interesting, on a day when the temperature easily exceeded 102 degrees F