Antares Indycar
#1
Posted 06 January 2007 - 00:06
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#2
Posted 07 January 2007 - 01:53
First, which of the three did Rasmussen drive in '79, and which one did Olmstead
#3
Posted 07 January 2007 - 04:02
#4
Posted 08 January 2007 - 01:16
#5
Posted 08 January 2007 - 04:04
#6
Posted 09 January 2007 - 20:29
You imply that there were no chassis numbers, so we would be free the order them
1972:
Chassis 1 McCluskey
Chassis 2 Dallenbach
Chassis 3 Savage
1975-76:
Chassis ??? #79 Chevy
1977:
Chassis 2 #89 V12
Chassis 3 #70 159 Offy
1978:
Chassis 2 #70 Drake Offy or Chassis 3 if still 159 Offy (I haven't seen a photo)
1979-1981:
Chassis 2 Drake Offy
or do you have built dates of the cars?
#7
Posted 09 January 2007 - 23:12
Or call them 'M', 'D' and 'S'.
Allen
#8
Posted 10 January 2007 - 02:31
As I understand it, Johnny Rutherford had a Brabham that was modified by Antares Engineering...it too had a unique nose but didn't look like the other Antares cars. The Indy 500 Website under history/photo gallaries has two pictures of it in 1972. There is also a picture of the modified #42 Eagle/offy Swede Savage eventually qualified (instead of the #42 Antares)...it too looks like it has a similar nose/front wing modification as the #18 Brabham.
I have not seen any indication of chassis numbers on the two cars I have/seen.
I will try to get some clarification on which car ended up in which races--so far this is what it appears happened:
#14 McCluskey never raced again.
#10 Dallenbach: had the Chevy fitted and ran in 5 races in 1976 for Beiderstedt/Mahoney as car #79 with Ed Finley. This also may have been the car that had the V12 fitted by Bob Olmsted and was entered in the 500. This car as #50 also ran in 1978 at Milwaukee and Phoenix. It was the car that was then modified by Eldon Rasmussen and qualified at the 500 as car #50 in 1979. It was then run by Vogler in 80 and Harkey in 81 at the speedway as #87.
#42 Savage: appears that car became the #70 car with 22 degree turbo offy power that entered in the 500. A turbo offy Antares was entered in two other races in 1977 but I do not know which chassis it was could have been either.
There was a 4th chassis constructed out of the original parts for the two unfinished Antares, by Gary Miller, Crew Chief of the Biederstedt/Mahoney team and may alter the above a bit. Plus the nose/cowling on the modified antares appear to be interchangeable so car numbers are a bit tough to use for tracking chassis history on these.
Thanks for the questions and I would appreciate updates or any other history anybody might have on these.
Michael M.
#9
Posted 10 January 2007 - 07:15
Anton
#10
Posted 10 January 2007 - 13:02
And thanks to pete3664 for his response to my original question
#12
Posted 10 January 2007 - 22:38
#13
Posted 11 January 2007 - 17:42
#14
Posted 11 January 2007 - 17:45
#15
Posted 12 January 2007 - 16:41
#16
Posted 13 January 2007 - 01:47
Here is a quote from the Thursday, May 19, 1977 (page 37-38) report in the Carl Hungness Indy 500 yearbook:
"Another car belatedly making an appearance in Gasoline Alley was the Bob Olmsted-B.M. Shamrock 12 Pack Special (whew!). The engine was built by Detroit's Charlie Volker and first appeared at the Speedway in 1937!!! It was housed originally in Ralph DePalma's old two-man chassis owned by Louis Kimmell and its driver was none other than Henry Banks. The car failed to qualify in 1937 but Henry drove it to 21st the following year. In 1939, '40 and '41 it failed to qualify with Tommy Hinnershitz, Tony Bettenhausen, Louis Webb and Ira Hall variously at the wheel. It was no more competitive this year and never was totally put together. Its Antares chassis seemed only half finished ( or half rebuilt to be exact) and most of the tub and engine rested on a an old mattress thoughtully placed on the garage floor...The Volker (spelled incorrectly, "Voelker" on the engine castings, a mistake which irritated Charlie Volker for years) carries No. 89 while the Offy '(Antares)' was No. 70..."
The note goes on to say that famed Indy 500 publisher Carl Hungness actually helped fabricate two of the Antares cars during his days when he was "free-lancing".
#17
Posted 14 September 2009 - 12:59
Mention is made in this thread of the "Voelker V12" Where can I find out more about this mysterious item?
Anton
It was a hand-built v-12 built by a guy named Charles(?) Volker in the 1930's. Bob Olmstead caught wind of it in late '75 and drove up to Volker's house in the Detroit area and bought it - for $500! It had been stored in a crate in his basement (under a sewer pipe) for decades. He dragged back to LaSalle Illinois with the idea of getting it running again. I know he had it fitted into a race car frame at one time. I remember Olmstead quoting Volker by saying that it was built with off-the-shelf parts and that the pistons were set up like an aircraft piston, one main and the other one attached the first.
#18
Posted 14 September 2009 - 16:23
Note: Name is misspelled as VELKER
http://www.museumofa...ages/E040.shtml
Museum of American Speed
Engine E040 - in order Numerically
Previous Engine Next Engine
Block Manufacturer : Velker
Block Material : Aluminum
Cylinders : V-12
Cubic Inches :
Bore :
Stroke :
Year : 1937 Head Manufacturer : Velker
Head Material : Aluminum
Cam : DOHC
Cam Drive : Gear Driven
Carbs : Fuel Injection
Era : 30s or 40s
Description :
This one of a kind 12 cylinder engine was built in Detroit, Michigan for the 1937 Indy 500. Tommy Hinnershitz drove the Velker but failed to qualify due to a valve train failure. In 1938 Sam Hanks qualified the Velker for the first and only time at Indy. The engine was updated for Indy in the 80's but threw a rod in practice. Built in 1937 for dirt track racing, driven in 1953 by Sam Hanks at Indy in car #57, and updated for Indy again in the 80’s. The only V-12 Velker ever built. Originally had three 2-barrel carburetors. Featured in Hot Rod Magazine. Tommy Hinnerschitz took his rookie test in it, and ended after 3 laps with valve troubles. Brought to Indy for over 20 years. Ran normally aspirated with carbs and fuel injection, and turbo charged with fuel injection.
Regards,
Tom
#19
Posted 15 September 2009 - 16:06
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#20
Posted 15 September 2009 - 22:31
I thought the quote above was in poor taste, if even in jest. The Antares was the beginning of computer designed race cars even though without development they didn't work the way they were supposed to.i notice that people had the good taste to not put any pictures of the Antares wich is the ugliest thind who ever wheeled at indy
#21
Posted 16 September 2009 - 00:06
Come on, Pete, lighten up a bit. Philippe certainly was not suggesting that we take the designer of the Antares outside and shoot him; in fact, I am sure that he had a bit of his tongue in his cheek when he posted that. Computer designed or not, I think that it is fairly well agreed that the Antares was NOT a good looking car by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think that anyone would confuse it with, say, the Chaparral 2-K when it comes to looks. M. Chareust was merely pointing out that in the looks department the Antares was whomped with the ugly stick.I thought the quote above was in poor taste, if even in jest. The Antares was the beginning of computer designed race cars even though without development they didn't work the way they were supposed to.
Tom
#22
Posted 18 September 2009 - 21:23
that was my dads indy car from 1977 until he sold to some guy in mich for $15,000.00 my dad is still alive and in a nursing home i can tell u any history u want from that time thanks jim mahoney still have some parts in my house from that carCome on, Pete, lighten up a bit. Philippe certainly was not suggesting that we take the designer of the Antares outside and shoot him; in fact, I am sure that he had a bit of his tongue in his cheek when he posted that. Computer designed or not, I think that it is fairly well agreed that the Antares was NOT a good looking car by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think that anyone would confuse it with, say, the Chaparral 2-K when it comes to looks. M. Chareust was merely pointing out that in the looks department the Antares was whomped with the ugly stick.
Tom
#23
Posted 18 September 2009 - 21:25
e mail addr mahonfamly@aol.comthat was my dads indy car from 1977 until he sold to some guy in mich for $15,000.00 my dad is still alive and in a nursing home i can tell u any history u want from that time thanks jim mahoney still have some parts in my house from that car
#24
Posted 19 September 2009 - 00:13
Come on, Pete, lighten up a bit. Philippe certainly was not suggesting that we take the designer of the Antares outside and shoot him; in fact, I am sure that he had a bit of his tongue in his cheek when he posted that. Computer designed or not, I think that it is fairly well agreed that the Antares was NOT a good looking car by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think that anyone would confuse it with, say, the Chaparral 2-K when it comes to looks. M. Chareust was merely pointing out that in the looks department the Antares was whomped with the ugly stick.
Tom
The ugliness was somewhat a result of last minute changes after Roger McCluskey's first test at Ontario in early March or April of 72. They made several changes to the first nose and top cowling after that test...then at the Speedway in May they made a number of other modifications apparently to increase airflow to get the engine temps down. All that contributed to the less than beautiful look. I've got the original artist's conceptual painting of the car (presented in the Patrick yellow of the time -- looking like Rutherford's #18)...The original designs were without wings and the car had a much more pleasing look.
I am still very interested in finding out who revised the nose/cowling and airflow ducting following the 72 race...Patrick's team? the folks at Antares before that shop closed up? If anyone has any background please post or email me mckinn77@charter.net
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Posted 19 September 2009 - 00:46
#26
Posted 19 September 2009 - 01:15
the car with rich vogler driving had the 2nd fastest time in 1980 in the back straigtaway of the non qualified cars and in 1979 with eldon be hind the wheel he qualified 32 nd and 33rd quick was roger mcluskey sorry for the spelling jim mahoney 815 488 4165 before 9.00 centralAre there any pictures of the car without wings or with the downforce generating system on it? The boat nose (imho) is the forebearer of the current Dallara's nose...
#27
Posted 19 September 2009 - 02:53
Are there any pictures of the car without wings or with the downforce generating system on it? The boat nose (imho) is the forebearer of the current Dallara's nose...
No good pics with the car w/o the wings...I think technology had advanced enough from the initial conceptual design to the time that the first car was produced they new they need to adapt...looks like they had to extend the front nose forward to add front wings and then added a larger rear wing...I don't have any pics of the ground effects system...the construction pictures and original engineering drawings I have show a small rear under wing was used in conjunction with the main rear wing...under the engine area was a panel that had a number of vortex generators...