Peter Collins at Monaco 1956... but who is his female companion?
#1
Posted 23 March 2009 - 11:35
These pictures show Peter Collins during the 1956 Monaco Grand Prix. He married in 1957 with Louise (Cordier or King?) but is this the same girl?
He truly "liked girls" as you can read on his bumper sticker, so it might be any girl!
Wonder what they're talking about...
Behind the two lovebirds on the wooden wall Eugenio Castellotti's suitcase and helmet...
Strange to see all these objects lying there, while nowadays they would be unvaluable collector's items.
Musso was there with a girlfriend, Fangio was there with Beba, Peter with this girl but Eugenio was there with his mother!
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#2
Posted 23 March 2009 - 12:35
Chris
#3
Posted 23 March 2009 - 12:43
#4
Posted 23 March 2009 - 13:07
And the copyright for those photographs belongs to...?Originally posted by Flaminiasupersport
These pictures...
#5
Posted 23 March 2009 - 13:52
I wish women/girls looked and dressed like this today.
In photo 4 the head nearest the camera is surely Alfonso de Portago.
#6
Posted 23 March 2009 - 14:04
Pic 2: Luigi Musso signs autograph (?) for competitor mechanic.
Pic 4: Among others Ferrari capo mechanic Adelmo Marchetti (facing Collins).
#7
Posted 23 March 2009 - 14:08
we have a client who only orders F1 photos showing 'girls' in the 60s/70s (more than 50 different photos until now), it's a very special theme indeed. hope things are going well with you, cheers to lisa
#8
Posted 23 March 2009 - 15:41
Originally posted by cdrewett
It's not Louise, Peter met her on February 4th 1957 and they married one week later. Incidentally she was our guest of honour at last August's Shelsley Walsh meeting. She was delightful and enjoyed every minute. I'm sure someone can post a photograph.
Chris
Louise Collins-King being driven up the hill by David Nursey in his Jaguar XK120.
#9
Posted 23 March 2009 - 16:12
Nice to hear from you again and my regards to Rainer.
Incidentally Mrs Joslin Parker informs me that her Christian names are Sarah Jane Frances!
#10
Posted 24 March 2009 - 16:13
sorry, paul, for my bad name memory
#11
Posted 24 March 2009 - 18:28
Originally posted by Paul Parker
Just look at that waist, something like 22 inches I'd wager.
if that
#12
Posted 24 March 2009 - 18:58
I would not argue Paul, but my first thought was Castellotti?
#13
Posted 24 March 2009 - 19:36
Paul is right. Portago did not raced.Originally posted by Bauble
In photo 4 the head nearest the camera is surely Alfonso de Portago.
I would not argue Paul, but my first thought was Castellotti?
#14
Posted 24 March 2009 - 19:55
It's Carlo Amadessi. And with the beret, it's not a driver but another mechanic Bruno Solmi.Originally posted by Arjan de Roos
Picture 1: Ferrari mechanic Carlo Madessi checks the spark plu collection. Musso is behind with the black baret.
I stand to be corrected but for me it is Musso with André Simon.Originally posted by Arjan de Roos
Pic 2: Luigi Musso signs autograph (?) for competitor mechanic.
#15
Posted 24 March 2009 - 20:11
Originally posted by starlet
Indeed, Paul is right ... that it is de Portago...
It's Carlo Amadessi. And with the beret, it's not a driver but another mechanic Bruno Solmi.
I stand to be corrected but for me it is Musso with André Simon.
Indeed, Amadessi. Really Solmi? Musso is more often seen on pics with the black baret.
I doubt about Simon.
#16
Posted 25 March 2009 - 07:40
Edward
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 07:44
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 08:35
#19
Posted 25 March 2009 - 08:47
Originally posted by David McKinney
A Ford Zephyr
Consul?
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#20
Posted 25 March 2009 - 09:01
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 09:12
#22
Posted 25 March 2009 - 09:22
Originally posted by Terry Walker
There's a Zephyr badge on the back of the car.
So there is. (Just testing the car spotters among you).
#23
Posted 25 March 2009 - 11:37
Wonder if the pic was part of a deal to get the use of the car or something? If so, I would have hung out for a Zodiac!
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 14:55
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 15:36
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 15:45
#27
Posted 25 March 2009 - 15:56
ISTR the Mk1 was the Zephyr Six and the posh version the Zephyr Zodiac, but by the time of the Mk2 they were simply Zephyr and Zodiac. But I've been wrong before...Originally posted by Paul Parker
From my now long distant childhood I seem to recall that Ford had a 1950s model badged Zephyr Zodiac.
#28
Posted 25 March 2009 - 16:03
Why is everyone discussing the car, and not the question - who was the girl?
Who indeed but then unless someone on here actually knows/knew her or she is still alive then I fear she might remain forever just another pretty young woman from long, long ago immortalised courtesy of Agfa etc.
#29
Posted 25 March 2009 - 16:05
Originally posted by David McKinney
ISTR the Mk1 was the Zephyr Six and the posh version the Zephyr Zodiac, but by the time of the Mk2 they were simply Zephyr and Zodiac.
That's right. I think one of the distinguishing features was that the Zodiac was two tone. Your £968-17-0 still bought you a car with vacuum operated windscreen wipers though.
#30
Posted 25 March 2009 - 16:24
The girl looks stylishly Italian to me (and quite short....................)
#31
Posted 25 March 2009 - 16:28
Originally posted by Bloggsworth
The girl looks stylishly Italian to me (and quite short....................)
Speaking as someone who has ogled women all over Europe, I'd have said French, mainly because of the hairstyle.
#32
Posted 25 March 2009 - 16:33
Edward
#33
Posted 25 March 2009 - 17:08
Anorak now going back into storage
#34
Posted 25 March 2009 - 17:16
A stylish reminder of a halcyon age.( Removes rose-tinted glasses)[i]Originally posted by Paul Parker
Why is everyone discussing the car, and not the question - who was the girl?
Who indeed but then unless someone on here actually knows/knew her or she is still alive then I fear she might remain forever just another pretty young woman from long, long ago immortalised courtesy of Agfa etc. [/B]
Perhaps SCM recalls her identity, or John Campbell Jones, both have razor-sharp clarity of recall and it was a small world then.
Roger Lund
#35
Posted 25 March 2009 - 17:21
Originally posted by fines
Because she'd be in her eighties now?
Michael, some old birds are much more interesting than some old cars...
#36
Posted 25 March 2009 - 17:21
#37
Posted 25 March 2009 - 17:29
Lower roofline, different grille and larger, revised tail lights. OT a bit; the Farnham estate was a nice concoction too, IMHO. I had a Consul 375 estate in 70/71, disc brake job, RTK 378, blue over blue. Surprisingly versatile car. Talking of the convertibles, a chap my father knew, Herbert Sutcliffe, as in Yorkshire cricketer, a real gentleman of the old school, had an ivory Zodiac conv., with red upholstery, 61/62 , which I thought was a wonderful machine.Originally posted by Odseybod
[ That's a Mark 2 Zephyr (1956-62) - this would be the earlier version, rather than the even more stylish Lowline model that came out in 1959. [/B]
Roger Lund
#38
Posted 25 March 2009 - 21:11
Originally posted by kayemod
Speaking as someone who has ogled women all over Europe, I'd have said French, mainly because of the hairstyle.
Can't be French. she doesn't look bored.............
#39
Posted 25 March 2009 - 22:34
... the car, not the girl...
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#40
Posted 26 March 2009 - 09:15
If these pictures get sufficient airing then somebody just might know the answer. Meanwhile I too wonder whose images these are as this kind of stuff is so much more interesting to look at from a general viewpoint than the usual racing stuff, in my opinion.
They capture the atmosphere of the period so well, no corporate sponsors, no obvious bullshitters, busybodies, pompous officials and control freaks, or sour faced, pressurised and stressed out personnel. Ye Gods relaxed smiling faces even, then compare to latter day F1.
Now I will put on the rose tinted glasses!
#41
Posted 26 March 2009 - 09:38
Completely agree Paul And no "celebrities" either! In fact part of the charm of these photos is the mystery of the femme fatale! And wow, that waist...Originally posted by Paul Parker
They capture the atmosphere of the period so well, no corporate sponsors, no obvious bullshitters, busybodies, pompous officials and control freaks, or sour faced, pressurised and stressed out personnel. Ye Gods relaxed smiling faces even, then compare to latter day F1.
Now I will put on the rose tinted glasses!
Perhaps it is better if the mystery remains unsolved...just an ordinary French/Italian girl beguiled by PC's dashing looks and English savoir faire...
Rob
#42
Posted 26 March 2009 - 13:08
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 16:51
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 17:16
#45
Posted 26 March 2009 - 17:32
Originally posted by Flaminiasupersport
These pictures show Peter Collins during the 1956 Monaco Grand Prix.
These are lovely photographs and the girl with the incredibly tiny waist very much has that 50s Audrey Hepburn look.
The pictures do look very professional ,taken with top class equipment and they really do look as if they were posed with the co-operation of all those involved. I wonder if this was a commercial enterprise for a fashion magazine perhaps, or for some advertising purpose?
You might snatch one candid shot but surely not 5 like that ?
Do we know how tall Peter Collins was? That would give a guide on just how small or otherwise the girl was, could she have been a fashion model ?
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 22:23
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 10:58
#48
Posted 27 March 2009 - 12:23
As for the status of the pics, if it was a contrived set for a magazine/newspaper there would have been many more and it would have been, I suspect, for a continental publication, not a British one.
These pictures do look professional bar one, although there is some intrusion into the frame by third parties and objects that a professional staging a scene would not allow. Additionally with a decent camera and good light, as here, such clarity was/is relatively easy to achieve with static scenes using b/w film.
Personally I believe these were opportunistic shots taken by someone competent made possible by the easy access. So who did take them Flaminiasupersport? Do you in fact know?
#49
Posted 27 March 2009 - 17:31
#50
Posted 27 March 2009 - 17:44
Do you mean the Peter Collins pictures come from the site of Life? If so I couldn't find them. Plenty of other nice images though.Originally posted by Jean L
These pictures come from the site of Life.
http://images.google.com/hosted/life
Rob