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[Ruud de la Rosa]

The predictions for turkey seemed about right. except for the 'bad' performance of the Ferrari. Was this just bad luck during the race or weren't they up to speed?
http://forums.autosp...howtopic=109789

In Spain we saw the flaws of the McLaren. They had no downforce in the long flowing corners. In Monaco with is slow corners they seemed to have some pace. Toyota seems to be the opposite of the McLaren. Doing very bad on the streets of Monaco, while being up there in Barcelona.
Ferrari made steps in Barcelona and Monaco. Red bull had a bad weekend, but at least got some data on their new double deck diffuser. The Brawns were good as usual, but the gap they had in Melbourne has been decreasing every grand prix. That said, what will Turkey bring us?

My guess for Silverstone is the red bulls on pole, getting beaten in the pit stops by at least one of the brawns. Their race pace is unrivalled. Mclaren could perform even worse than in Turkey because the Kers system is rumoured to be less effective on the Silverstone circuit. I don't have faith in the Ferrari pace, Toyota might have the upper hand, maybe Nico Rosberg will beat them again as well.

What do you guys think will be the pecking order?

[kaivo]

Toyota
Brawn
RB
Ferrari
Williams
BMW
Renault
STR
McLaren
FI

[Ruud de la Rosa]

Toyota
Brawn
RB
Ferrari
Williams
BMW
Renault
STR
McLaren
FI

Toyota on top? where do you base that on? or is it just wishful thinking?

[undersquare]

The big battle will be for 3rd team after Brawn and RBR, it could go any way depending who's got good updates and how well they run their weekends. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Ferrari revival.

Will Mac have their new package that Whitmarsh was trying to move up from Germany? Hope so or it's going to be tough.

[ViMaMo]

Button with a sure win. The podiums would be worth discussing if someone had the pace to match Button.

[Owen]

I'll stick my neck out and say Button may win this.

[Dancing_Donkey]

I think Webber could be worth a punt for a maiden win. Silverstone is a good circuit for him, saw him win in F3000 in 2000 in a car that seemed far from the best. I think the RBR will be untouchable from Copse down to Stowe, and I think Mark might Seb. Although there remains the chance of RBR cocking up the strategy again and gifting it to Jens. If it rains, RBR for certain, but maybe Seb will take it (his wet race record speaks for itself).

Rubens has a long history of success at Silverstone, but despite the wide variety of excuses he has come up with this season, his main problem is he does not drive this car as fast as Jenson.

Hoping for Ferrari to be back on form too. Kimi for the podium.

[Henrytheeigth]

Ahh the next race shall be another borefest it seems, unless it rains, or this occurs

[ConsiderAndGo]

Brawn 1-2. Redbull 3-4. From forth its between Toyota, Williams and Ferrari.

[krapmeister]

Ahh the next race shall be another borefest it seems, unless it rains, or this occurs

What a tosser - I wish the marshall had of gotten a couple of good kicks in on the idiot...

I hope for rain.

Edited by krapmeister, 11 June 2009 - 13:22.

[Owen]

Sliverstone will probably put everything into making this event a success. Would be a nice final 'up yours' gesture to Bernie.

[mstar]

i think this be a fight between redbull, brawn and toyota. Possibly redbull having the advantage as there is to many fast corners before the slow stuff for brawn drivers to make any impact on time lost.

I understand this is the fastest circuit by number of high-speed corners, so redbull have got to be the best through them and they are not THAT slow in the slow corners either.

For me KERS cars will not figure as much as there is not much hard breaking points around the circuit to charge and fire the car down striaghts, so they maynot be much of a issue on laptime in qualy trim. but race starts they could be a factor.

toyota have a good high speed stability and could sneak and split the redbull and brawns.

i just think redbull MAY have to much for brawn at silverstone and i think webber could be the man he always qualifys well here.
buttons devastating qualy/race pace MAY bring him closer to redbulls but i think its time redbull do something great here, they made to many mistakes not to at least get a win on a circuit most suited to them.

Also think rubens has a great chance, he out-qualified michael and out raced him there, and he spent his early days in f3 and knows the circuit as good as anyone on the circuit, do not under estimate rubens here i think he could beat button here.

1. webber
2. vettell
3. button/barichello

[Celloman]

Toyota on top? where do you base that on? or is it just wishful thinking?

TF109 has proven to be very good car at high-speed corners, their main loss in Turkey came from sector 3 as in Barcelona and on the overall slow Monaco. They should be up there with Red Bull and hopefully challenging Brawn.

[mstar]

who has updates for silverstone?

i heard:

1. toyota
2. mclaren
3. ferrari

no news on brawn or redbull

[Ruud de la Rosa]

TF109 has proven to be very good car at high-speed corners, their main loss in Turkey came from sector 3 as in Barcelona and on the overall slow Monaco. They should be up there with Red Bull and hopefully challenging Brawn.

let's look at the sector times:

qualy sector times from turkey
SECTOR 1
POS NO DRIVER TIME
1 5 R. KUBICA 32.568
2 16 N. ROSBERG 32.640
3 6 N. HEIDFELD 32.650
4 15 S. VETTEL 32.654
5 22 J. BUTTON 32.664
6 23 R. BARRICHELLO 32.672
7 14 M. WEBBER 32.688
8 9 J. TRULLI 32.722
9 3 F. MASSA 32.775
10 17 K. NAKAJIMA 32.776
11 7 F. ALONSO 32.827
12 4 K. RAIKKONEN 32.838
13 10 T. GLOCK 32.868
14 2 H. KOVALAINEN 33.119
15 21 G. FISICHELLA 33.165
16 1 L. HAMILTON 33.184
17 20 A. SUTIL 33.232
18 12 S. BUEMI 33.253
19 8 N. PIQUET 33.277
20 11 S. BOURDAIS 33.306

SECTOR 2
NO DRIVER TIME
15 S. VETTEL 30.378
22 J. BUTTON 30.441
3 F. MASSA 30.469
4 K. RAIKKONEN 30.529
23 R. BARRICHELLO 30.544
10 T. GLOCK 30.582
14 M. WEBBER 30.599
16 N. ROSBERG 30.610
9 J. TRULLI 30.612
7 F. ALONSO 30.650
17 K. NAKAJIMA 30.666
5 R. KUBICA 30.737
6 N. HEIDFELD 30.755
2 H. KOVALAINEN 30.813
20 A. SUTIL 30.858
8 N. PIQUET 30.923
12 S. BUEMI 30.970
21 G. FISICHELLA 30.997
1 L. HAMILTON 31.132
11 S. BOURDAIS 31.190

SECTOR 3
NO DRIVER TIME
4 K. RAIKKONEN 23.855
9 J. TRULLI 23.861
3 F. MASSA 23.904
7 F. ALONSO 23.930
15 S. VETTEL 23.943
23 R. BARRICHELLO 23.947
16 N. ROSBERG 23.978
1 L. HAMILTON 23.989
22 J. BUTTON 23.991
2 H. KOVALAINEN 23.998
5 R. KUBICA 24.023
17 K. NAKAJIMA 24.044
14 M. WEBBER 24.063
8 N. PIQUET 24.107
6 N. HEIDFELD 24.116
10 T. GLOCK 24.140
20 A. SUTIL 24.157
21 G. FISICHELLA 24.255
11 S. BOURDAIS 24.301
12 S. BUEMI 24.423


fastest race sector times from turkey:
SECTOR 1
POS NO DRIVER TIME
1 15 S. VETTEL 32.690
2 16 N. ROSBERG 32.695
3 22 J. BUTTON 32.715
4 14 M. WEBBER 32.755
5 17 K. NAKAJIMA 32.764
6 9 J. TRULLI 32.819
7 5 R. KUBICA 32.842
8 10 T. GLOCK 32.879
9 8 N. PIQUET 32.884
10 23 R. BARRICHELLO 32.886
11 6 N. HEIDFELD 32.906
12 7 F. ALONSO 32.915
13 3 F. MASSA 32.990
14 4 K. RAIKKONEN 33.025
15 12 S. BUEMI 33.082
16 1 L. HAMILTON 33.101
17 11 S. BOURDAIS 33.200
18 2 H. KOVALAINEN 33.278
19 20 A. SUTIL 33.324
20 21 G. FISICHELLA 35.255

SECTOR 2
NO DRIVER TIME
22 J. BUTTON 30.523
14 M. WEBBER 30.619
15 S. VETTEL 30.669
10 T. GLOCK 30.810
3 F. MASSA 30.814
9 J. TRULLI 30.822
4 K. RAIKKONEN 30.859
8 N. PIQUET 30.913
5 R. KUBICA 30.920
16 N. ROSBERG 30.927
12 S. BUEMI 31.021
6 N. HEIDFELD 31.030
17 K. NAKAJIMA 31.055
7 F. ALONSO 31.065
23 R. BARRICHELLO 31.089
20 A. SUTIL 31.197
1 L. HAMILTON 31.277
11 S. BOURDAIS 31.293
2 H. KOVALAINEN 31.642
21 G. FISICHELLA 32.848

SECTOR 3
NO DRIVER TIME
4 K. RAIKKONEN 24.000
17 K. NAKAJIMA 24.109
2 H. KOVALAINEN 24.119
1 L. HAMILTON 24.139
5 R. KUBICA 24.150
9 J. TRULLI 24.161
15 S. VETTEL 24.176
3 F. MASSA 24.186
10 T. GLOCK 24.194
14 M. WEBBER 24.212
22 J. BUTTON 24.242
8 N. PIQUET 24.251
6 N. HEIDFELD 24.254
7 F. ALONSO 24.263
23 R. BARRICHELLO 24.305
16 N. ROSBERG 24.349
12 S. BUEMI 24.381
11 S. BOURDAIS 24.489
20 A. SUTIL 24.499
21 G. FISICHELLA 25.294

seems Toyota were on the pace in sector 3.

[Ruud de la Rosa]

race sector times from barcelona

1 15 S. VETTEL 22.904
2 22 J. BUTTON 22.998
3 14 M. WEBBER 23.026
4 7 F. ALONSO 23.121
5 23 R. BARRICHELLO 23.141
6 10 T. GLOCK 23.159
7 3 F. MASSA 23.176
8 6 N. HEIDFELD 23.243
9 21 G. FISICHELLA 23.286
10 5 R. KUBICA 23.303
11 16 N. ROSBERG 23.344
12 1 L. HAMILTON 23.425
13 8 N. PIQUET 23.436
14 17 K. NAKAJIMA 23.465
15 4 K. RAIKKONEN 23.510
16 2 H. KOVALAINEN 24.477

SECTOR 2
NO DRIVER TIME
23 R. BARRICHELLO 31.025
22 J. BUTTON 31.197
14 M. WEBBER 31.249
3 F. MASSA 31.251
15 S. VETTEL 31.255
21 G. FISICHELLA 31.373
7 F. ALONSO 31.496
6 N. HEIDFELD 31.535
16 N. ROSBERG 31.540
1 L. HAMILTON 31.554
10 T. GLOCK 31.707
8 N. PIQUET 31.773
17 K. NAKAJIMA 31.784
5 R. KUBICA 31.796
4 K. RAIKKONEN 32.032
2 H. KOVALAINEN 33.367

SECTOR 3
NO DRIVER TIME
23 R. BARRICHELLO 28.458
22 J. BUTTON 28.537
3 F. MASSA 28.570
1 L. HAMILTON 28.688
16 N. ROSBERG 28.703
7 F. ALONSO 28.716
17 K. NAKAJIMA 28.780
5 R. KUBICA 28.830
14 M. WEBBER 28.837
4 K. RAIKKONEN 28.844
15 S. VETTEL 28.878
21 G. FISICHELLA 28.887
6 N. HEIDFELD 28.930
8 N. PIQUET 28.993
10 T. GLOCK 29.123
2 H. KOVALAINEN 30.875

The first sector resembles Silverstone a bit, of course there has been some car development since.

[Madras]

It will be funny if Barrichello wins.

[Yellowmc]

Button will win. I'll put my mortgage on that.

Toyota will be stronger and one of them will pop in 2nd, podium will be rounded off with a Red Bull.

[noikeee]

It's probably the best chance of the year for Rubens and Mark. Might be worth watching thanks to that. But Jenson must be the favourite still.

[Ruud de la Rosa]

It's probably the best chance of the year for Rubens and Mark. Might be worth watching thanks to that. But Jenson must be the favourite still.

Mark has always done well here. Don't think Rubens will be able to beat Jenson. Why do you think this race is his best chance?

[slideways]

I don't think it's his best chance but I think a combination of Murphy's and the Fisi-Heikki law* will come into play.



*The Fisi-Heikki law states that any muppet in a championship car will win a race.

[Gypsy]

Mark has always done well here. Don't think Rubens will be able to beat Jenson. Why do you think this race is his best chance?

Because Rubens has always gone well at Silverstone. People seem to think it's 'his' circuit.

I would like Jenson to win his home race, but think Rubens or a Red Bull might just sneak in there, unfortunately.

[Atreiu]

McLaren will suffer.

[Brawn BGP 001]

Because Rubens has always gone well at Silverstone. People seem to think it's 'his' circuit.

I would like Jenson to win his home race, but think Rubens or a Red Bull might just sneak in there, unfortunately.

Webber would be a Aussie hero for life if he won at Silverstone.

I wouldn't mind Rubens or Webber winning the race as I support them along with Button, but I want Button to win his home race so I predict a podium of Button/Barrichello/Webber.

It'll be very close though and I will not rule out the Toyota's or Williams either.

McLaren will struggle with the fast corners here and it'll be a achivement to get out of Q1 for them.

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 13 June 2009 - 00:03.

[Josta]

I am going to call a Trulli win.

Toyota have the opposite problem to McLaren. McLaren suffer in high speed corners, whereas Toyota suffer in low speed. Brawn is good everywhere, but Red Bull and Toyota are a bit better in the high speed corners.

[Yellowmc]

I am going to call a Trulli win.

Toyota have the opposite problem to McLaren. McLaren suffer in high speed corners, whereas Toyota suffer in low speed. Brawn is good everywhere, but Red Bull and Toyota are a bit better in the high speed corners.

That's quite true but to me, Button and Brawn have usually had the strategy spot on, without it, they could have lost a few races. Toyota have made some odd strategy choices and with that, combined, a Brawn will win.

It'd be nice if they didn't though.

[Josta]

That's quite true but to me, Button and Brawn have usually had the strategy spot on, without it, they could have lost a few races. Toyota have made some odd strategy choices and with that, combined, a Brawn will win.

It'd be nice if they didn't though.

You are right. Toyota could have already won if they had a strategist that monitored the race rather than following a pre set strategy. Still, a combination of Toyota's high speed advantage together with a healthy dose of hope, (as a Trulli fan), means that I am calling a Trulli win.

My favourite drivers are Alonso, Button and Trulli. Alonso has already won 2 WDC's, Button will win the WDC this year, so right now I am in "Go Trulli" mode.

[krapmeister]

IIRC Toyota seem to also go better when it is warmer - what is the temp looking like for the gp?

EDIT: depending where you look, dry/high teens or wet/mid to high teens forecast - maybe not quite warm enough and if it is wet at all I can't see the Toyotas being a chance for the win, barring any SC interventions...

Edited by krapmeister, 13 June 2009 - 00:59.

[Tenmantaylor]

I think Bahrain provided Toyota with a much better chance of a win than Silverstone will. The track suited them, they did alot of testing and the car was great over a lap. Silverstone is much closer to Turkey in corner duration and speed than Bahrain. I predict:

Brawn
Red Bull

Toyota

Ferrari
Williams
BMW
McLaren
Renault

STR

Force India

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 13 June 2009 - 00:53.

[tkulla]

I'd like to see rain... it would give Lewis a chance at points for his home race, and I think we'd see a real battle at the front. Button mentioned that they know why there "slow" in the rain last time and have prepared to be better, so we could see four of the best weather drivers in the two best cars all going for the win.

If it's dry, I think the Ferraris will rebound from a disappointing performance in Turkey and mix in with the Brawns or Red Bulls (whichever is slower).

Do we know which tyres have been selected for this race?

Edited by tkulla, 13 June 2009 - 01:47.

[Atreiu]

Trulli winning on his own? I doubt it.
Brawns, Red Bulls and Toyotas will cover the top 6, but BUtton should win again.

[evo.x]

who has updates for silverstone?

i heard:

1. toyota
2. mclaren
3. ferrari

no news on brawn or redbull

BMW

[Dunder]

McLaren will suffer.

Alas, yes. Probably the most difficult circuit on the calendar for a KERs car which doesn't have sufficient rear downforce. I actually wonder whether they might experiment on Friday without KERS on one of the cars.

All in all I think we will see a close fight between BGPs and RBR and Toyota with the Brawn's (Button again ) edging it in terms of race pace.

[D.M.N.]

http://uk.weather.co...rstone-UKXX1916 --> Sorry to disappoint.

Sligthtly O/T, some fans are talking about staging a protest next weekend to do with the current FIA/FOTA situation, it'd be interesting to see placards of "GET MAX OUT" signs, would marshalls be forced to take signs off them? Be funny seeing FIA trying to stop a protest.

[Ruud de la Rosa]

http://uk.weather.co...rstone-UKXX1916 --> Sorry to disappoint.

Sligthtly O/T, some fans are talking about staging a protest next weekend to do with the current FIA/FOTA situation, it'd be interesting to see placards of "GET MAX OUT" signs, would marshalls be forced to take signs off them? Be funny seeing FIA trying to stop a protest.

I think it is still early for accurate predictions on the weather. A wet race would be great, let's all do a rain dance!

[krapmeister]

...Sligthtly O/T, some fans are talking about staging a protest next weekend to do with the current FIA/FOTA situation, it'd be interesting to see placards of "GET MAX OUT" signs, would marshalls be forced to take signs off them? Be funny seeing FIA trying to stop a protest.

I would really love to see that happen - be great to see whole sections of the crowd baying for Max's head so to speak.

[Ruud de la Rosa]

odds according to unibet, they seem to think Ferrari will have the upper hand versus toyota
Button, J 1,72
Vettel, S 5,00
Barrichello, R 9,00
Webber, M 10,00
Massa, F 20,00
Räikkönen, K 20,00
Trulli, J 20,00
Glock, T 40,00
Rosberg, N 40,00
Hamilton, L 50,00
Alonso, F 60,00
Kubica, R 80,00
Heidfeld, N 100,0
Nakajima, K 150,0
Kovalainen, H 200,0
Piquet Jr., N 300,0
Sutil, A 400,0
Bourdais, S 500,0
Buemi, S 500,0
Fisichella, G 500,0

Edited by Ruud de la Rosa, 15 June 2009 - 09:42.

[Owen]

Another event to be over shadowed by off track politics? sigh...

[Clatter]

Another event to be over shadowed by off track politics? sigh...

Only if you let it.

[HoldenRT]

Brawn showed in Turkey that they are not just strong in slow corners. In Turkey they were fast in ALL corners. Maybe it was a case of the the conditions suiting them more then rivals, but it's hard to tip against them. They have a dominant car.

This is the best chance so far for Redbull but after Turkey you have to be skeptical.

I expect Toyota to be 3rd strongest, but maybe with some luck or a light strategy in first stint they have have more impact in the race and beat a Redbull or Brawn.

Ferrari and Williams to fight out p5-p8. With maybe Alonso or a BMW stealing a point.

Last time I looked at the weather it said Saturday was 50% chance of some light rain. A sprinkle right before quali started would certainly spice things up. Temps will be on the lower side.

Edited by HoldenRT, 15 June 2009 - 12:05.

[Owen]

Only if you let it.

Hopefully the BBC won't let it then.

[Clatter]

Hopefully the BBC won't let it then.

Won't worry me, I'll be trackside.

[Owen]

Won't worry me, I'll be trackside.

Nice.

[HoldenRT]

I think Bahrain provided Toyota with a much better chance of a win than Silverstone will. The track suited them, they did alot of testing and the car was great over a lap. Silverstone is much closer to Turkey in corner duration and speed than Bahrain. I predict:

Brawn
Red Bull

Toyota

Ferrari
Williams
BMW
McLaren
Renault

STR

Force India

Agree very much with that list, except that Alonso will be ahead of McLaren. This track will be McLaren's worst track of the season. Ferrari vs Nico will be a good fight. You would think STR would be better suited, considering the chassis but for one reason or another, they aren't very quick even in the fast corners.

[hunnylander]

I think Bahrain provided Toyota with a much better chance of a win than Silverstone will. The track suited them, they did alot of testing and the car was great over a lap. Silverstone is much closer to Turkey in corner duration and speed than Bahrain. I predict:

Brawn
Red Bull

Toyota

Ferrari
Williams
BMW
McLaren
Renault

STR

Force India

You've misplaced the Renault. That car likes high speed corners and will get updates.

McLaren may struggle to beat even STR and Force India.

[Owen]

You've misplaced the Renault. That car likes high speed corners and will get updates.

McLaren may struggle to beat even STR and Force India.

Oh man.

[krapmeister]

Personally I think it could be very close between Toyota and Ferrari. I am not sure it will be hot enough for the Toyotas, and Massa went pretty good in Barcelona until he ran out of fuel. Rosberg may also be mixing it up with them...

[Beej]

Won't worry me, I'll be trackside.

And me posted on the exit of Woodcote

[Clatter]

And me posted on the exit of Woodcote

Other end of the track for me, I'll be in Stowe C.

[Henrytheeigth]

Can you guys please make sure you take some great pics to share with us ya? If possible.