Felipe Massa's accident (and latest health report) (merged) Rating Options

[MegaManson]

It says that Rob spoke to Felipe's brother. Is this reliable? I mean is this really Rob's wife?


Ok, thanks for clearing that up

Yeah according to The Life Of Senna book Bernie casually munched on an apple and told his brother coldly that Ayrton was dead, it is the offhand manner in which he spoke to Senna's brother to broadcast his death to him that caused all the offence in the Senna family

[MiPe]

Eerily similar to Henry's accident, hit by a part from another car. Apparently Ruben's car in another part of circuit lauched a suspension component which struck Felipe on helmet. Talk about freak accidents.

If anyone has the latest confirmed information on how Felipe's doing, please use this topic to update us. Give source of your information, too.

I think that in Hungary is about 3:15 in the morning, and I doubt that there is a PR person standing in the front of hospital, and reporting on the situation. Maybe in another 4 hours...

This post has been edited by MiPe: Jul 26 2009, 01:16

[speedmaster]

Luciano Burti (ex driver and now comentator at Globo TV) spoke with the french doctor that is around Massa and also treated Luciano after his accident and the doctor was categoric that the bruise is not life treatening unless some other complication develops (like an hospitalar infection or something like that). Globo TV is quite reliable and both Galvao Bueno and Luciano Burti were at the surgery waiting room and heard from the doctor performing the surgery himself. As I posted before, the doctor was pleased with the surgery, removed a large broken piece of bone on his forehead and - words of the doctor himself - was faster and better than what he expected. Massa's father (while leaving Brazil to Hungary ) and later Galvao Bueno and Luciano Burti confirmed tha at 9:00AM, Budapest time, they will slowly bring Massa back from the induced como to fiurther evaluate hin. Globo TV reported that a late night scan comes back clear other than the already known concussion and bruise.

Hoping all above is right and true and that he can recover fully and quickly...

[speedmaster]

http://globoesporte.globo.com/Esportes/Not...+RISCO+DE+.html

Above is the link to Luciano Burti's interview (sorry, Portuguese only... google translator if you want but the summary is posted by me above)

[Melbourne Park]

Best wishes to Felipe, I guess the good news is that this happened in a year when your championship was unlikely!

There's no pressure to get back either, which is probably a good thing.

Due to our big TVs and quality coverage, things are very real nowadays. And I was very horrified when I saw Felipe's helmut so low in the cockpit. With track officials standing back, that scared the heck out of me. I was dumbfounded and sort of frozen, and never considered that a loose part would be on the track, let alone bouncing right into Felipe's car's path.

I look very much forward to Felipe's return, and I assume he will take lots of time to make sure he's more than ready.

Get well Felipe and take a break, enjoy a respite even if you feel 100%! Good luck man!

This post has been edited by Melbourne Park: Jul 26 2009, 01:37

[Mat]

Head injuries are always a risk, especially if you need any kind of surgery.


On a much lighter note...

http://www.sutton-images.com/preview.asp?f...=d09hun1108.jpg

Anyone reckon the Ferrari has some sort of secret ABS? Those are conveniently spaced lockup marks.

surely your just trying to tease!


I think the abs lock up pattern is caused by the way they have laid that asphalt (in strips) and so there are 'rises' or 'bumps' at the seems between asphalt strips. You can see his helmet nodding up and down as he goes over the strips of asphalt. 

[Alfisti]

Luciano Burti (ex driver and now comentator at Globo TV) spoke with the french doctor that is around Massa and also treated Luciano after his accident and the doctor was categoric that the bruise is not life treatening unless some other complication develops (like an hospitalar infection or something like that). Globo TV is quite reliable and both Galvao Bueno and Luciano Burti were at the surgery waiting room and heard from the doctor performing the surgery himself. As I posted before, the doctor was pleased with the surgery, removed a large broken piece of bone on his forehead and - words of the doctor himself - was faster and better than what he expected. Massa's father (while leaving Brazil to Hungary ) and later Galvao Bueno and Luciano Burti confirmed tha at 9:00AM, Budapest time, they will slowly bring Massa back from the induced como to fiurther evaluate hin. Globo TV reported that a late night scan comes back clear other than the already known concussion and bruise.

Hoping all above is right and true and that he can recover fully and quickly...

Best news we've heard all day. Thanks for the insight.

[Mary Popsins]

Here's the UFO.



This post has been edited by Mary Popsins: Jul 26 2009, 01:45

[BullHead]

God bless. Thanks he'll be ok. Get well soon Felipe. Motorsport is beginning to hurt again.... Let's just keep rolling eh? Heres for a good race tommorrow! My wishes to all, the Massas, Surtees, et al. Love you.

[gindan]

Sky News just shows a small interview with Bernie, it was very dark, so I presume its recent, but no idea whether he was outside the hospital, a hotel, or the actual venue, but he said simply "it does not look good".

Was it just a sound clip with the new anchor saying "when asked about his condition, ecelstone replied...." and they go to the sound clip? Or did you see someone asking the question. News organizations these days love taking responses out of context to sensationalize a story. I should know it happened to me. I answered several questions about a plane crash (i work for the NTSB) and they swapped my responses around to make the story sound "better", even though it wasn't factual that way.

[Felilily]

Please, please, everybody, no matter the faith, religion, pray for Felipe Baby! Massinha, God bless you!

[BullHead]

Hey guys, no panicking without real news ok? Anyone with a real media report please post with full quotes and details

[Mary Popsins]

The one thing I'd like to understand is why did Massa's car act like a vacuum-cleaner?

[Mat]

I was a bit shocked when the car guys were hooking up cables and such while Felipe was laying there slumped over in the car. I wa slike WTF, and then assumed he must have got out and left his helmet. I just couldn't believe th ewrecker crew was so calmly hooking up the car with him in it.

I'm shocked at how long it appeared to take the marshals to react and medical assistance to arrive at the scene. Hey Bernie, Silverstone might not be the hospitality heaven you crave - but at least the staff no what they're doing!

better work on your timing......the car was there for quite sometime, before the wrecker got anywhere close.....and then they took their time getting ready to hook the car lifting device, with felipe still inside, before they decided to start wavinf for the marshal. when the acident was first shown on televvsion on speed, it was already over, yet it still took several minutes for the med car to show up, and the ambulance was still not there

Iwould have to diagree. Check out the footage again. 

They show Massa in the wall almost immedietely after impact. Im having a guesstimate, but judging by the timing graphic at the top of screen. It goes yellow only 1 second before they cross to Massa in the wall. So i think yellow was shown straight away. 

At the 30 second mark, just before they cross back to Massa's vehicle, the world feed is showing the cars crossing start/finish line to compelte their laps. I would swear you can also hear a V8 driving past the camera. This would be main medical car scrambled from pit exit. 

At the 40 second mark, we cross back to Marshalls and it is a scene of serenity. Absolutely perfect id say. now none of those guys at the scene are medical it seems so they are all just doing what they are supposed to do. They have made the call for immediete medical assistance. You even see a thumbs up from one of the marshalls to the guy on the radio so RC the boys have done their job. Massa is clear of obstruction for easy access and tow hook is almost complete if Doctor needs the vehicle moved. 

At 54 seconds the Marshalls notice medical car approaching and obviously give the crossed arms signal again to direct to exact point of scene (which would be obvious anyway). 

At 1m10seconds Doctor arrives at the scene and everyone would be under his direction now. 

This is by no means bad practice. 1 minute 10 seconds is well within any rescue guidelines. 

This post has been edited by Mat: Jul 26 2009, 02:01

[alfa1]

This is probably not the case but just a thought. The last time we had a situation in anyway similar to this in F1 was Imola 1994.

I was thinking Monaco 1994.
Karl Wendlinger has an accident, brain trauma, so they have him on an induced coma.
Theoretically he recovered 100 percent, but when he started driving again his performances werent the same as they were before the crash and the poor guy had to be relieved of his seat.

[BullHead]

I was thinking Monaco 1994.
Karl Wendlinger has an accident, brain trauma, so they have him on an induced coma.
Theoretically he recovered 100 percent, but when he started driving again his performances werent the same as they were before the crash and the poor guy had to be relieved of his seat.

I don't care if Massa can race again or not, although it would be nice, I just want him to be ok. please

[gindan]

I was thinking Monaco 1994.
Karl Wendlinger has an accident, brain trauma, so they have him on an induced coma.
Theoretically he recovered 100 percent, but when he started driving again his performances werent the same as they were before the crash and the poor guy had to be relieved of his seat.

Actually wendlinger was setting faster times than Frentzen upon his return during winter testing with the 94 car. As soon as they switched to the 95 car, he couldn't come to grips with it. To this day he claims Sauber used the accident as excuse to remove him because he needed a driver who brought more money at the time. Unfortunately his reputation was killed in the paddock and nobody would give him a sniff. He's been very succesfull in sports cars.

[Felilily]

Never say Imola 1994 now.
Felipe will recover soon.
Yes, without doubt.

[matty2097]

Luciano Burti (ex driver and now comentator at Globo TV) spoke with the french doctor that is around Massa and also treated Luciano after his accident and the doctor was categoric that the bruise is not life treatening unless some other complication develops (like an hospitalar infection or something like that). Globo TV is quite reliable and both Galvao Bueno and Luciano Burti were at the surgery waiting room and heard from the doctor performing the surgery himself. As I posted before, the doctor was pleased with the surgery, removed a large broken piece of bone on his forehead and - words of the doctor himself - was faster and better than what he expected. Massa's father (while leaving Brazil to Hungary ) and later Galvao Bueno and Luciano Burti confirmed tha at 9:00AM, Budapest time, they will slowly bring Massa back from the induced como to fiurther evaluate hin. Globo TV reported that a late night scan comes back clear other than the already known concussion and bruise.

Hoping all above is right and true and that he can recover fully and quickly...

fingers crossed

[speedmaster]

Yes, he will !!!!

[umapathypon]

Luciano Burti (ex driver and now comentator at Globo TV) spoke with the french doctor that is around Massa and also treated Luciano after his accident and the doctor was categoric that the bruise is not life treatening unless some other complication develops (like an hospitalar infection or something like that). Globo TV is quite reliable and both Galvao Bueno and Luciano Burti were at the surgery waiting room and heard from the doctor performing the surgery himself. As I posted before, the doctor was pleased with the surgery, removed a large broken piece of bone on his forehead and - words of the doctor himself - was faster and better than what he expected. Massa's father (while leaving Brazil to Hungary ) and later Galvao Bueno and Luciano Burti confirmed tha at 9:00AM, Budapest time, they will slowly bring Massa back from the induced como to fiurther evaluate hin. Globo TV reported that a late night scan comes back clear other than the already known concussion and bruise.

Hoping all above is right and true and that he can recover fully and quickly...

Lets hope for the best.

[Ricardo F1]

Strikes me from all the reports I'm reading he'll be fine ; there's caveats because no doctor is going to confirm anything at 100% so soon, especially with a head injury. Have to say you have to take hats off to F1 safety over the years - look at how well the front of Massa's car held up compared with Schumachers at Silverstone all those years ago.

[slideways]

Good to hear some good news.

[stevewf1]

I think the abs lock up pattern is caused by the way they have laid that asphalt (in strips) and so there are 'rises' or 'bumps' at the seems between asphalt strips. You can see his helmet nodding up and down as he goes over the strips of asphalt. 

Not suggesting anything, but those tire marks do look a little odd... Even if the pavement is uneven, the car should(?) have still been generating enough down force to not make marks like that... If the pavement really is that uneven, then they need to re-think how these run-offs are done.

IMO.

[LiloBosh]

PS Rubens did exit the hospital pretty shaken up, and actually the reporter tried to keep him positive about the whole thing, as rubens was starting to cry. Massa is indeed one of the most friendly driver in F1.

Hello all I'm a first time poster/long time lurker and it saddens me that this is going to be my first post but i just wanted to show my support to massa, his family and fans. Truly gutted for the guy. Im a McLaren fan but after last year in Brasil i really warmed to him. He showed us all what a stand-up guy he is after that race.
Good luck felipe-baby.

P.s

Who else thinks that rubens could be considering not racing tomorrow if that report is true? He's an emotional guy and would be duly upset and i wouldn't blame him if he didn't race.

This is all so emotional. What a week.

[LB]

Name the last driver that died during a GP weekend before Ratzenberger. Without looking for it, of course.

You remember Roland BECAUSE he died the same weekend as Senna.

I really hope all the best for Felipe!

Senna
Ratzenberger
De Ceseris (testing but was f1)
Paletti
Villeneuve
Depailler (testing)
Peterson
Pryce
Donahue
Konigg
Revson (testing)
Cevert
Williamson

and thats the ones while I was alive..since 1973

I am sure the majority of us are well aware of this tragic list thank you very much...(apologies if I have missed anyone!)

I don't pray but my thoughts are with Massa. In my completely unqualified opinion I hope and believe that he will be fine and that we shall wake to good news tomorrow.

Just to make you smile Connie Kalitta the famous drag race was once described in a medical report as being concious and stable. His reply to that was 'oh I've improved then, I've never been both at the same time before'

[Tolyngee]

De Ceseris (testing but was f1)


and thats the ones while I was alive..since 1973

I am sure the majority of us are well aware of this tragic list thank you very much...(apologies if I have missed anyone!)

Some of us more than others apparently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elio_de_Angelis

[stevewf1]

Senna
Ratzenberger
De Ceseris (testing but was f1)
Paletti
Villeneuve
Depailler (testing)
Peterson
Pryce
Donahue
Konigg
Revson (testing)
Cevert
Williamson

de Angelis. de Cesaris somehow made it through his F1 career unscathed...

[Poltergeistes]

I guess everyone will just be a little worried until they bring him back from the induced coma tomorrow, but like speedmaster said, the Globo Tv can be very reliable in these reports today, since their f1 transmission guys are actually close friends to the Massa family, they were there at the hospital, heard the words from the doctors themselves, and them passed it on and explained this tonight on the nightly national news broadcast, and it was very reassuring hearing Burti and Galvao Bueno saying that they expect a full recovery.

There is no doubt there was a somber feeling to the whole thing, but i'm glad that they have decided to show facts and give the absolut right information to their viewers, even if that's not so over the top audience record breaking, they are more interested in doing the real job of journalism, and they were fully aware that apart from Massa's brother, his whole family was watching the Q in Sao paulo, and were finding and gathering information in front of the TV, so nobody jumped into conclusions in trying to be the first to break the bad news.

Seems to me that some of the european f1 press could learn a little from the Globo TV team on this event. Sometimes having a respectful relationship with drivers can do really wonders for the press. They don't do the "bloodsucker" approach, and in return the driver always keeps them on the loop of what's going on.

[BullHead]

Senna
Ratzenberger
De Ceseris (testing but was f1)
Paletti
Villeneuve
Depailler (testing)
Peterson
Pryce
Donahue
Konigg
Revson (testing)
Cevert
Williamson

What's this in aid of? We don't need this right now....

[NadsatII]

http://globoesporte.globo.com/Esportes/Not...+RISCO+DE+.html

Above is the link to Luciano Burti's interview (sorry, Portuguese only... google translator if you want but the summary is posted by me above)

Obrigado, speedmaster. Greetings from Spain.

My best wishes for the great Felipe Massa and for a soon recovery for him. He'll be back at races earlier than expected. He's a true racer and a great guy.

I'm an Alonso fan. And that's the reason I'm a Felipe Massa too: Both them are brilliant, passionate and always in high spirit, whatever happens in a race.

Thanks for the good news.

Again, obrigado, amigo.

[stevewf1]

What's this in aid of? We don't need this right now....

Don't be too harsh. I think we should always keep in mind that driving fast racing cars is still a dangerous endeavor...

[speedmaster]

I guess everyone will just be a little worried until they bring him back from the induced coma tomorrow, but like speedmaster said, the Globo Tv can be very reliable in these reports today, since their f1 transmission guys are actually close friends to the Massa family, they were there at the hospital, heard the words from the doctors themselves, and them passed it on and explained this tonight on the nightly national news broadcast, and it was very reassuring hearing Burti and Galvao Bueno saying that they expect a full recovery.

There is no doubt there was a somber feeling to the whole thing, but i'm glad that they have decided to show facts and give the absolut right information to their viewers, even if that's not so over the top audience record breaking, they are more interested in doing the real job of journalism, and they were fully aware that apart from Massa's brother, his whole family was watching the Q in Sao paulo, and were finding and gathering information in front of the TV, so nobody jumped into conclusions in trying to be the first to break the bad news.

Seems to me that some of the european f1 press could learn a little from the Globo TV team on this event. Sometimes having a respectful relationship with drivers can do really wonders for the press. They don't do the "bloodsucker" approach, and in return the driver always keeps them on the loop of what's going on.

Absolutelly yes !!! (although Galvão is a pain in the ass...rs)

[Poltergeistes]

Hello all I'm a first time poster/long time lurker and it saddens me that this is going to be my first post but i just wanted to show my support to massa, his family and fans. Truly gutted for the guy. Im a McLaren fan but after last year in Brasil i really warmed to him. He showed us all what a stand-up guy he is after that race.
Good luck felipe-baby.

P.s

Who else thinks that rubens could be considering not racing tomorrow if that report is true? He's an emotional guy and would be duly upset and i wouldn't blame him if he didn't race.

This is all so emotional. What a week.

I suppose that is one of the factors that made F1 racing dangerous over the history, it seems that in other sports the athletes can afford to take their time, and in F1 they can't, they couldn't in the past and they still can't today.

As shaken up as rubens was tonight at the hospital I'm sure he willr ace tomorrow, F1 unfortunately hasn't decided to do like football teams do, and hire sports psychologists or suchs, so that if they see the driver that disturbed they say no he can't race. Because if you leave it to the driver, he will always want to race, even if that's not what he really wants to do. Just remember how hesitant Senna was in imola before the race.

And i think that having to drive up to 200 mph in a state of mind that is not 100% clear and focused can be a real danger that is ignored often in F1, because there is just too much money involved, too much politics, too many people after your seat and so on. many former champions have mentioned that, there were many times where they didn't want to race, because they thought there was something wrong with the car, or the track, but they just couldn't show up on sunday morning and say, sorry i'm not doing it, i don't feel like i should today. you do that and your fired right then, and will not get another chance.

So you put all the these things together, plus the big factor that this would sound very diminishing for a driver to say he wasn't emotionally stable to drive today, forget it, the F1 will not have it, we will have dead drivers sure, but not "cowards".

So i really hope that rubens feels better by tomorrow for the race because we all know his situation wasn't so good to begin with, now it got worse.

[indian]

Get well soon, Felipe!

[Felilily]

Best wishes for Felipe Baby from China.
I stayed the whole night and prayed for Felipe and finally I decided to register an account since I knew you need to sleep in Europe now.
Felipe will be OK, and I will stay here to update news about him.

[speedmaster]

Obrigado, speedmaster. Greetings from Spain.

My best wishes for the great Felipe Massa and for a soon recovery for him. He'll be back at races earlier than expected. He's a true racer and a great guy.

I'm an Alonso fan. And that's the reason I'm a Felipe Massa too: Both them are brilliant, passionate and always in high spirit, whatever happens in a race.

Thanks for the good news.

Again, obrigado, amigo.

A disposição... vou ficar acordado até as 4 da manhã hora do Brasil, 3 da manhã hora de Miami e ver se consigo pegar as news logo cedo. E sim. ia ser ótimo ve-lo correr com Alonso. Massa estaria na fantástica situação de ter corrido com os dois melhores pilotos da era pós-Senna (este sem comparação) - Schummi and Alonso. E pra mim, ainda penso que Alonso é mais rapido que Schummi que era mais eficiiente em aglutinar e fazer a equipe trabalhar em torno dele.

At your service sir... I will be awake until 4AM (Brazilian Time ), 3AM Miami time and try to get the first reports. It "WILL" be great to see him racing with Alonso. Massa will have the chance to race against the best one of post Senna era (this one with no comparison). To me Alonso is even faster than Schummi that was far better in aglutinating people and make the team work for him'

Cheers

[BullHead]

I suppose that is one of the factors that made F1 racing dangerous over the history, it seems that in other sports the athletes can afford to take their time, and in F1 they can't, they couldn't in the past and they still can't today.

As shaken up as rubens was tonight at the hospital I'm sure he willr ace tomorrow, F1 unfortunately hasn't decided to do like football teams do, and hire sports psychologists or suchs, so that if they see the driver that disturbed they say no he can't race. Because if you leave it to the driver, he will always want to race, even if that's not what he really wants to do. Just remember how hesitant Senna was in imola before the race.

And i think that having to drive up to 200 mph in a state of mind that is not 100% clear and focused can be a real danger that is ignored often in F1, because there is just too much money involved, too much politics, too many people after your seat and so on. many former champions have mentioned that, there were many times where they didn't want to race, because they thought there was something wrong with the car, or the track, but they just couldn't show up on sunday morning and say, sorry i'm not doing it, i don't feel like i should today. you do that and your fired right then, and will not get another chance.

So you put all the these things together, plus the big factor that this would sound very diminishing for a driver to say he wasn't emotionally stable to drive today, forget it, the F1 will not have it, we will have dead drivers sure, but not "cowards".

So i really hope that rubens feels better by tomorrow for the race because we all know his situation wasn't so good to begin with, now it got worse.

And of course Rubens has been through all this before...

[jiber172r]

I don't care if Massa can race again or not, although it would be nice, I just want him to be ok. please

Agreed. Even if he never races again in F1, so long as his wife and child have him alive, that's all that matters. An early end to his race career would be a small price to pay to still have him around. He's already proven himself to be a winner.

[BullHead]

Best wishes for Felipe Baby from China.
I stayed the whole night and prayed for Felipe and finally I decided to register an account since I knew you need to sleep in Europe now.
Felipe will be OK, and I will stay here to update news about him.

Keep us posted. I for one and many can't sleep till we know all is ok. UK