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[jetalt]

F10's front slot diffuser:

http://photos.gpupda...arge/160950.jpg

[Ferrari2183]

F10's front slot diffuser:

http://photos.gpupda...arge/160950.jpg

What exactly are we looking for?

[jetalt]

What exactly are we looking for?

In this pic you can see the slot through the exhaust gases, "feeding" the first level of the diffuser.

Edited by jetalt, 27 August 2010 - 19:42.

[Seanspeed]

So it seems the rumours were true... 'new fuel' and more (lubricants?). Though they haven't tried them in FP1.
From FA's mouth after the FP1:

http://www.efectosue.../#comment-26582

Interesting.....

[F.M.]

Aldo Costa:

- On the new front wings test: "For the wings we are using here at Spa, we have not made any modifications, because they are okay. The high downforce front wing we have will require some small adjustments though."

- On the nes (Monza) floor test: "There is also a new requirement for the plank, which requires modifications for every car I believe. We had a slightly shorter plank [than the new minimum 1 metre length].
The offset load is a pretty severe load in that position, so all the teams that have got a single strut in the middle will have to do some changes. It is not only for a few teams – I think it is a change of all the specifications in F1."

[Mastah]

New engines for both drivers, so 2 units must survive Saturdays and Sundays in Belgium, Italy, Singapore, Japan, Korea and Brazil, with possibility to use old motor in Abu Dhabi. I'm really worried about last GP in that case .

[Mika Mika]

both cars using the old wing in FP3 - Mclaren are quicker in all 3 sectors...

[Massa]

and what ? It's free pratice.

[Kanjeneroo]

I hope ferrari were running heavy

[gaston_foix]

WOOOW what is that, we were owned in all 3 sectors by McLaren...

[F.M.]

New engines for both drivers, so 2 units must survive Saturdays and Sundays in Belgium, Italy, Singapore, Japan, Korea and Brazil, with possibility to use old motor in Abu Dhabi. I'm really worried about last GP in that case .

They (at least Massa) still has one or two used race engines that haven't reached it's mileage yet. Spa is just a circuit you'd like to have a fresh engine for

[Mackey]

Not looking good. Hope it rains in Qualy.

[TURU]

Not looking good. Hope it rains in Qualy.

Maybe it was just fuel, but it seems that Ferrari has a problem with softer compound. Alonso didn't improve on them, did he ??

[gaston_foix]

Maybe it was just fuel, but it seems that Ferrari has a problem with softer compound. Alonso didn't improve on them, did he ??

Him and Vettel improved. But not Hamilton and Webber.

[GPmaster]

Ferrari has quitted FP3 early because the rain?

[Ferrari2183]

I missed FP3, Hangover... How much dry running?

[F.M.]

Him and Vettel improved. But not Hamilton and Webber.

Webber only did one run during FP3, on hards.

[Andy865]

nah, he did a few laps on softs as well. not looking too good compared to yesterday. they seemed to have migrated towards a lower DF set-up with the older wing package. maybe if it rains they will go back to a higher DF level and they will be more competative.

[F.M.]

nah, he did a few laps on softs as well. not looking too good compared to yesterday. they seemed to have migrated towards a lower DF set-up with the older wing package. maybe if it rains they will go back to a higher DF level and they will be more competative.

If he ran the soft tyres, that's the only tyre he used. He did only one run http://fia.com/en-GB...sion3-times.pdf

[gaston_foix]

It's raining now. Dunno why but I think we need rain... I don't know what's bad with the car but we weren't good in the S2 also

[Mackey]

Marc Gene pretty downbeat, saying Alonso thinks 5th-6th is the maximum in the dry

Edited by Mackey, 28 August 2010 - 11:34.

[GPmaster]

Crap, 10th for Alonso. Bad strategy?

[Massa]

Alonso had a setup for wet i think

[gaston_foix]

Why is so slow in the S1. What a ****ing strategy they cooked for Alonso? If is not raining tomorrow what he will do? He will be a sitting duck for anyone in the longer straights...

Edited by gaston_foix, 28 August 2010 - 13:09.

[NeilMick]

Why is so slow in the S1. What a ****ing strategy they cooked for Alonso?

Will be interesting to see the speed trap times and see if he was running more wing for a wet setup.

[gaston_foix]

Alonso had a setup for wet i think

So had Webbo in China and all were passing him...

[GPmaster]

McLaren found really something in the 2nd sector, Ferrari was a lot faster there in FP1 and FP2. Alonso was nowhere. Lets pray for some heavy rain tomorrow.

Edited by GPmaster, 28 August 2010 - 13:15.

[Mika Mika]

Why is so slow in the S1. What a ****ing strategy they cooked for Alonso? If is not raining tomorrow what he will do? He will be a sitting duck for anyone in the longer straights...

It was raining at la source he prob just made a mistake. I think loosing the 3 element flex wing has really hurt the F10

[Ferrari2183]

What I fail to understand is why they didn't beef up the wing because they knew what test the FIA would be doing. It is really strange and I don't think they set the car up for a full wet race. If they did then someone in the Ferrari garage is being very stupid.

[Mastah]

1 Felipe Massa 14:37:37 312.9 (got a toe from Force India I think)
2 Sebastian Vettel 14:47:58 307.8
13 Fernando Alonso 15:07:10 303.5
23 Jarno Trulli 14:10:27 288.5

http://www.formula1....speed_trap.html

So the difference is not as big as it's supposed to be, we need to wait for speed traps on sector lines to see what's going on.

[Showty]

It was clear on tv that Massa and Alonso had different setups, u could see the difference on the wings, specially the back one, when they were leaving the pits u could read Santander very easily on Massa while u barely could on Alonso.

I only see this could work for Alonso if the race starts wet...but even if it does he´ll have to overtake lot of cars...and we know how difficult that is in the rain with the showers.

If it starts dry and then gets wet...well, he´ll be behind Massa so he´ll have to wait for a change of tyres.

I think they got it wrong here, they shouldn´t take risks with Alonso, if so they should do it with Massa, but not the big horse.

[Seanspeed]

Alonso had a setup for wet i think

Maybe, but I think he just messed up his first flying lap, hoping that he'd be able to improve later on, but changing conditions put paid to that.

Praying for rain tomorrow, either way, as he seemed pretty happy in those conditions.

And a good start. He's 10th, which is prime position to get caught up in some melee.

Edited by Seanspeed, 28 August 2010 - 13:36.

[GPmaster]

Adam Cooper on Twitter: "Just heard from Alonso, he regrets not going out on options straight away in Q3 but given that he's 10th he's pretty chilled"

Edited by GPmaster, 28 August 2010 - 13:40.

[MikeTekRacing]

when they were leaving the pits u could read Santander very easily on Massa while u barely could on Alonso.

surely that would mean more wing for massa? do you have some pics? I think I understand it wrongly

[gaston_foix]

Adam Cooper on Twitter: "Just heard from Alonso, he regrets not going out on options straight away in Q3 but given that he's 10th he's pretty chilled"

I thought he is regretting this stupid strategy...

[Kovalonso]

New engines for both drivers, so 2 units must survive Saturdays and Sundays in Belgium, Italy, Singapore, Japan, Korea and Brazil, with possibility to use old motor in Abu Dhabi. I'm really worried about last GP in that case .

Thanks for the info

I really don't understand alonso's calculations.

He believed that he had a 50% prob to win the WDC... and said in to the worldwide press...

[mkay]

No matter what happens tomorrow, I think that Ferrari made a mistake to put Alonso on the riskier strategy, as he is the one with the best odds for the title. Thus, Massa should have been the one running with more DF on.

[kosmos]

from forocoches

[Flamini]

Alonso just risked everything, he had no chance for pole with normal setup against McLarens/Red Bulls/Kubica so he decided to go with a lot more wet setup.

From this point of view I understand him.

But tomorrow race will be very difficult. I don't have any expectations.

[mkay]

Maybe, but I think he just messed up his first flying lap, hoping that he'd be able to improve later on, but changing conditions put paid to that.

Praying for rain tomorrow, either way, as he seemed pretty happy in those conditions.

And a good start. He's 10th, which is prime position to get caught up in some melee.

Exactly my thought. While I buy the whole wet setup excuse, it's not easy to forget about his 1st flying lap where he made a mistake that cost him 1+ second, with respect to Massa, Hamilton.

[Mackey]

from forocoches

But it can´t be the RW only, because Alonso would´ve been faster than Massa in S2. Maybe he´s running with more RH. But i agree it was an unnecesary risk.

[Kovalonso]

So does anyone knows preciselly which mods Ferrari decided to race ?

[F.M.]

No matter what happens tomorrow, I think that Ferrari made a mistake to put Alonso on the riskier strategy, as he is the one with the best odds for the title. Thus, Massa should have been the one running with more DF on.

It is for a part a drivers decision. It's not that the team said, Massa, you go for dry, Alonso, you go for wet. It's about what the drivers feel happy about. The team can advise but won't decide on their own.

[Seanspeed]

It is for a part a drivers decision. It's not that the team said, Massa, you go for dry, Alonso, you go for wet. It's about what the drivers feel happy about. The team can advise but won't decide on their own.

Thats very true.

Lets wait and see tomorrow. If it rains, Alonso may look like a genius. If it doesn't, he could well be in for a serious damage limitation exercise.

[Showty]

And also Alonso waited for his very last try to use the new set of soft tyres...exactly when it started to rain.

It´s all so weird and messed up it´s still hard to believe.

[mkay]

It is for a part a drivers decision. It's not that the team said, Massa, you go for dry, Alonso, you go for wet. It's about what the drivers feel happy about. The team can advise but won't decide on their own.

Well, if Alonso's strategy backfires tomorrow, he'll have only himself to blame. While I agree that is their calls, it seems a little risky not to emulate what the other contenders have done in terms of strategy.

Anyway, let's see tomorrow. We should have a great race.

[Showty]

Thats very true.

Lets wait and see tomorrow. If it rains, Alonso may look like a genius. If it doesn't, he could well be in for a serious damage limitation exercise.

Even if it rains it´s going to be veeeeeeery difficult for him, the best chance he has is if the race starts wet, but still he´ll have 9 cars ahead to overtake, and that means almost 0 vissibility, by the 2nd or 3rd lap he could be like 15-16 seconds behind P1.

[Mastah]

S1:

Felipe 318.3
Fernando 316

S2:

Fernando 206.1
Felipe 203.1

S3:

Felipe 223.4
Fernando 222.3


That doesn't looks like big difference and surely with more wing Fernando should be much quicker than Felipe in S2 (who made mistake in second try), while it's only 1 tenth of a difference. Very puzzling for me .

[Seanspeed]

Even if it rains it´s going to be veeeeeeery difficult for him, the best chance he has is if the race starts wet, but still he´ll have 9 cars ahead to overtake, and that means almost 0 vissibility, by the 2nd or 3rd lap he could be like 15-16 seconds behind P1.

Never said he was good for a win, but if he can get up to maybe 4th or 5th, I'd say his championship chances will still be alive and well. If the race is crazy enough, a podium wouldn't be out of the question, either. Ya never know. Alonso is a canny racer, lets not forget. I'm very glad to have him in the team, as it was never nice not having confidence in your drivers from such situations as with Kimi and Massa(sorry Kimi.... ).

[gaston_foix]

I'm very disappointed now... First of all, why the hell he didn't try to a normal setup in FP3. He was always slow in FP3 also? I mean I can't believe that we are not on pair with McLaren and Redbull on this track. Then hard tires in Q3, then rain.... Ohhhh...