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[Lazarus II]

Forget about it. These days, coming by sponsors is hard enough, but who would sponsor a team that might not ever actually appear in a GP? What team would ship all of their shit out to Australia, when they might not even get to appear in quali?? It is a great idea, (one that I would love to see come back), but financially, it would be impossible.

EDIT: Thinking about it, rather than the current tender system, what would be cool is for the top 10 teams from the last season to be guaranteed a spot, and any team that want's to build an F1 car has an off season championship whereby the top 3 teams get the final 3 spots for the next F1 season. This would also allow the bottom teams more testing time, (through racing), to be competitive for the next season. It would also give us something to watch through the off season.

I'm sorry, you've confused me with someone who gives a shit where they find sponsors. Sponsorship is their problem not mine. I'm just a fan.

[JarnoA]

I'm sorry, you've confused me with someone who gives a shit where they find sponsors. Sponsorship is their problem not mine. I'm just a fan.

Fine. I am just telling you why pre quali couldn't happen. Their problem makes it a problem, which is why it won't happen.

Wish as much as you like, it still won't happen.

[Turbo4]

I just hope a few of them can get in the way of Hamilton.... I doubt we'll have to wait long for him to refer to anyone who's not in a top 5 car as a monkey again.

[Turbo4]

There are more than enough pit boxes at all circuits to accomodate the teams.

Indeed.

From memory, in Australia the top four or five teams have 4 pit bays each, and every other team has 3. Then there's a spare or two that the FIA use, and then there's the one designated for the scrutineers. So that's at least 36 individual garages.

I'm sure it's the same at most circuits. There's plenty of room if everyone just tightens up a bit.

This post has been edited by Turbo4: Nov 8 2009, 01:29

[Lazarus II]

Fine. I am just telling you why pre quali couldn't happen. Their problem makes it a problem, which is why it won't happen.

Wish as much as you like, it still won't happen.

A problem or emergency on their part sure as hell doesn't consitute a problem or emergency on my part. If they have 6, 10, 14, 20 cars - fine. Of course the more the merrier, but afterall it's just F1.

[Captain Tightpan...]

F1 was great in the pre-qual days. I loved the the suspense of it all. I was great seeing the "minnows" fight for a spot in the "big show". And who was the beneficiary? Us the fans. More cars on track for longer periods. Loved it and it needs to come back.

Yeah, that was in the 1980s and 1990s when you could start a team for $500,000. Today, Campos have the smallest budget at forty-eight million.

So you tell me: with start-up costs that high, who in their right mind is going to join the Formula One grid if there's a chance tey won't even be able to race?

Because the list I can think of is so short it has no names on it.

[matrox2nz]

This will be BAD i can just hear leggard now:

"And around they all come,
Over the hill, Round the bend,
Button, Barrichello, Trulli, Webber, Hamilton, ........ ....... Someone driving a lotus
Its brawn from ferrari from brawn from red bull from brawn from mclaren,
Here comes sato in a... is that a toyota? no cant be!"
Martin: "Lewis is leading the ra...."
LEggard: "IS IT GONNA BE GOOD ENOUGH??? ... NO!"

[Lazarus II]

Yeah, that was in the 1980s and 1990s when you could start a team for $500,000.....

Life F1 had that much money?

[Captain Tightpan...]

Life F1 had that much money?

The point is that it costs nearly a hundred times more to enter Formula One now than it did twenty years ago, and that's if you want to be competitive agaisnt Campos. It's going to cost you even more from there on in. So how many teams would be willing to spend fifty million dollars just to make the grid - and spend more if they want to be competitive - if there's a chance they on't even be able to race at all?

Pre-qualifying won't work.

[Lazarus II]

The point is that it costs nearly a hundred times more to enter Formula One now than it did twenty years ago, and that's if you want to be competitive agaisnt Campos. It's going to cost you even more from there on in. So how many teams would be willing to spend fifty million dollars just to make the grid - and spend more if they want to be competitive - if there's a chance they on't even be able to race at all?

Pre-qualifying won't work.

Read HERE

This post has been edited by Lazarus II: Nov 9 2009, 03:39

[William Hunt]

A larger field is always better for the fans and for the drivers (more places). And even if one or more of the new teams will be too slow; that doesn't mean that the drivers in that car can't show their qualities. Remember how Alex Caffi showed his skills in the Osella? Or how Gabruile Tarquini drove in to the points with the AGS? Or what Pierluigi Martini managed (even leading a race twice) with the Minardi? Or how Christian Danner put a RIAL in 4th place in Phoenix '89? Or how Eric Bernard performed on his debut wit Larrousse? Or some of miracles Nicola Larini performed in a Coloni? Remember Manfred Winkelhocks pace in the ATS? Or remember Marc Surer's fantastic races in the small Ensign in '81? I can go on like that. Without those small teams with slow cars (that especially goes for Osella) those drivers could possibly never have entered F1 or made an impact in the way they did.

This post has been edited by William Hunt: Nov 9 2009, 04:11

[Zeroninety]

There won't be any contras on the grid unless Bernie takes that offer for a Nicaraguan Grand Prix.

Bah-DOMP-Ching!

[Simon Says]

Anyone remember the old days when there was actually such a thing as a DNQ?

But we don't have more than 40 entries now do we. Only 26 teams so there will not be a thing such as DNQ, its a thing of the past

[Simon Says]

Pro's -

More crashes, love seeing crashes (as long as no one is hurt)
More overtakes


Con's -

Devalued F1 brand, the 4 new teams are going to finish a few laps down on Ferrari/McLaren

Don't be to sure about that with the current standardized F1 cars. We have seen what Force India was able to accomplish this year

I'm not expecting them to win races, but I suspect if 1 team gets it right, they might give one of the more established team a run for their money such as Torro Rosso.