 The column gear change - what happened to it?, nostalgia-inspired question |
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 Nov 11 2009, 00:40
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Austin Cambridge? Don't know why I think that...
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Nov 11 2009, 00:56
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No, not the Cambridge... which would be identical, of course, with Morris Oxfords et al...
Someone else want to have a guess? 
-------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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Nov 11 2009, 01:12
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#83
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QUOTE (Ray Bell @ Nov 11 2009, 01:56)  No, not the Cambridge... which would be identical, of course, with Morris Oxfords et al... Someone else want to have a guess? Ray, I'm thinking, "Hindustan". The Mombay Taxi !! |
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Nov 11 2009, 01:20
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No... and I think you've missed the point too...
The majority of cars with 4-speed column change had first towards the driver and up, second in the same plane and down, then third centralise and up, fourth straight down from there, and then reverse away and down... usually. This one, exactly like the Peugeot, has reverse away and up, first away and down, second and third in the central plane, then fourth towards the driver and down. The latter part is absolutely unique. And fourth is an overdrive. -------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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Nov 11 2009, 01:27
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QUOTE (Ray Bell @ Nov 11 2009, 02:20) No... and I think you've missed the point too... The majority of cars with 4-speed column change had first towards the driver and up, second in the same plane and down, then third centralise and up, fourth straight down from there, and then reverse away and down... usually. This one, exactly like the Peugeot, has reverse away and up, first away and down, second and third in the central plane, then fourth towards the driver and down. The latter part is absolutely unique. And fourth is an overdrive. Ray, Second try. I'm thinking Lada. The steering wheel badge ? The 100 mph? speedo is offputting. 100kph would seem too low. |
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Nov 11 2009, 01:43
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What a glorious vehicle!!
 Another view; 
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Nov 11 2009, 02:23
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Indeed it was...
Prince Gloria, the example I posted was a rare 2500 4bbl version. -------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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Nov 11 2009, 03:24
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I recall circa 1964 a Sunday drive from Bathurst( where my cousins) lived to Hill End via the Bridle Track-all unsealed ,couple of creek crossings,steep and rocky in parts.Four adults,five children with me the oldest at 14,in an FX Holden. Could not have fit everyone in with a floor change !! The FX which I later learned to drive in had quite a precise gear change but from the FE onwards the holden 3 on the tree seemed to get sloppier, culminating in the hk-ht hg which all loved to jam in second and demand under bonnet attention low on the steering column where the greased slides would overshoot and bind. No HQ or later base model holden was worth driving at all for many years after the HG,be it 3, 4 OR 5 speed,column or floor.
As Leenicholle said the aftermarket 3 on the floor things were rubbish,and most lazy hoons just left a jagged hole in the floor to let in noise ,and fumes from the pre-PCV-Valve grey motors which dumped crankcase breathings a foot upstream of the hole in the floor. |
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Nov 11 2009, 03:34
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I wonder if the unusual gearchange gate of the Gloria was simply a result of its conversion from LHD; if you "invert" the RHD gate you get one that more resembles the Peugeot.
An advanced vehicle in some ways; the earlier ones had a De Dion rear I believe. |
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Nov 11 2009, 03:51
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Yes, it had the De Dion rear end...
But they were originally built for RHD Japan, so nothing to do with LHD conversion. And the oddest thing about it is that fourth is back and down. Actually, if you changed that it would be identical to a Peugeot... not by reversing it. -------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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Nov 13 2009, 02:53
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Here's the Vanguard right hand column change:
 And here's the spats that go with it... as onelung pointed out a while back:  I could probably find a bunch more of these if I tried. See what I can do... -------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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Nov 13 2009, 03:19
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QUOTE (Ray Bell @ Nov 13 2009, 02:53) Here's the Vanguard right hand column change: And here's the spats that go with it... as onelung pointed out a while back: I could probably find a bunch more of these if I tried. See what I can do... My fathers late beetleback [52 53?] came with spats which were never replaced because they would not fit with the 650x16s which he had in stock probably from our ute. |
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Nov 13 2009, 04:45
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Okay, here's a few more... see if anyone can pick them:
           And here's a little something... showing that passenger comfort preceded all else, but style must have had something to do with it. A very early floorchange auto: 
-------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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Nov 13 2009, 06:27
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QUOTE (Ray Bell @ Nov 13 2009, 04:45) Okay, here's a few more... see if anyone can pick them: Among that lot are Humpy Holden, Mk 1 and 2 Zephyrs ,a fishshop Falcon, A90? and the T bar is a early shape T bird |
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Nov 13 2009, 09:08
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Could No.3 be 53/55 Chrysler/Dodge/DeSoto/Plymouth. Similar shaped speedo anyway.
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Nov 13 2009, 09:24
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QUOTE (wagons46 @ Nov 13 2009, 09:08) Could No.3 be 53/55 Chrysler/Dodge/DeSoto/Plymouth. Similar shaped speedo anyway. I think you are right. we need quizmaster and Mopar man Bell! |
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Nov 13 2009, 09:58
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I see a Wilson pre-selector in the red MG Special.
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Nov 13 2009, 10:03
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Speaking of odd arangements... Citroën DS had quite a unique scheme. You even started the engine with gear lever...!
-------------------- 'There is no terrible way to win. There's only winning.' - Jean-Pierre Sarti (Yves Montand), Grand Prix
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Nov 13 2009, 10:39
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There is no MG Special there, Terry...
No 3 is a '55 or '56 Plymouth ute... well done Wagons. There is an FJ Holden one there, but it's not a 'humpy' at all... come on Lee, identify them, don't just list what there is! Oh, yeah, no A90s, no Mk 1 Zephyrs. And what's a 'fishshop' Falcon? This post has been edited by Ray Bell: Nov 13 2009, 10:41 -------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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Nov 13 2009, 11:07
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There's a red monoposto with an MG badge on the steering wheel, so naturally . . .
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Nov 13 2009, 11:23
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. . . or maybe a left-hand drive two seater, can't tell. But a Wilson looks okay to me.
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Nov 13 2009, 11:28
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QUOTE (bradbury west @ Nov 9 2009, 16:01) the R1 cockpit at the 2008 Revival, the car retained its column change. Roger Lund  RL |
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Nov 13 2009, 11:36
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QUOTE Originally posted by Terry Walker There's a red monoposto with an MG badge on the steering wheel, so naturally . . . Yes, naturally...  But if you've never seen the Bucknell MG R-type then you can well be excused. -------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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Nov 13 2009, 11:39
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  My 1957 Morris Isis Series II (left) and 1956/7 Wolseley 6/90 Series II were the first of their respective types to change from column-change to the floor. As I understand it the reason for positioning the lever on the right was to preserve the bench seat arrangement - even though the Wols actually has two seats. Apparently this new arrangement on the 6/90 wasn't too popular with plod as officers in a hurry would regularly complain about getting their trouser legs caught... In both cases the replacement models switched to centrally-mounted floor-change. -------------------- Stuart Dent ~ Twinny ////__________
I run a Morris Isis & a Wolseley 6/90 :-D) |
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Nov 13 2009, 11:51
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QUOTE (Ray Bell @ Nov 13 2009, 10:39) There is no MG Special there, Terry... No 3 is a '55 or '56 Plymouth ute... well done Wagons. There is an FJ Holden one there, but it's not a 'humpy' at all... come on Lee, identify them, don't just list what there is! Oh, yeah, no A90s, no Mk 1 Zephyrs. And what's a 'fishshop' Falcon? Pre XR, you must have lead a sheltered life! |
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Nov 13 2009, 11:56
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QUOTE (Twin Window @ Nov 13 2009, 11:39) My 1957 Morris Isis Series II (left) and 1956/7 Wolseley 6/90 Series II were the first of their respective types to change from column-change to the floor. As I understand it the reason for positioning the lever on the right was to preserve the bench seat arrangement - even though the Wols actually has two seats. Apparently this new arrangement on the 6/90 wasn't too popular with plod as officers in a hurry would regularly complain about getting their trouser legs caught... In both cases the replacement models switched to centrally-mounted floor-change. I may be wrong but I have never seen an Oz Isis with that type of shift, maybe we never got that model here. Feel free to correct me people. I had more to do with A90s and even then not much. |
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Nov 13 2009, 12:33
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I never saw one either, though I wasn't actually looking...
The Isis was a rapid ruster in our climate and most were well and truly gone before I got into looking at that type of car. But I suspect that we only ever got the 'austerity' options, which would have meant gearchange components that interchanged with the Oxford etc. I did see right hand change 6/90s, but they were very rare too, and an expensive car here. Did the Pathfinder or Riley Two Point Six have them? Twinny, you didn't identify one in my pile up there you should have! This post has been edited by Ray Bell: Nov 13 2009, 12:34 -------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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Nov 13 2009, 13:37
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Wolseley 4/44? Doesn't seem quite right, though. I thought Rover but that doesn't seem quite right either. Jeez, not a Princess R???
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Nov 13 2009, 13:47
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None of the above, Terry...
But if you keep guessing along those BMC lines you'll get there! -------------------- The stories of Youth, of the burden of Time, and the death of Devotion...HCK
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