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[Misk]

... as the only drivers to have driven F1 under the refuelling ban? Will this extra experience of how to drive an F1 race under these regulations give them a head start at the beginning of the season?

[Jackmancer]

Not really. Most learning schools (F3 euroseries, GP2 or whatever) don't have fuel-pitstops either.

[Misk]

Not really. Most learning schools (F3 euroseries, GP2 or whatever) don't have fuel-pitstops either.

Sure, but F1 is a different ball game really. The races are much longer than GP2, so tyre preservation, ect will come into play a lot more in F1.

For the record I have no idea whether they will have any advantage, just wondering what others think.

Edited by Misk, 23 December 2009 - 15:14.

[potmotr]

1993 was an AWFULLY long time ago.

And they were driving with active suspension then too, which helped negate the effects of increased squat under braking and roll with heavy fuel.

[highdownforce]

The real question is: Will Barrichello have an advantage over Shumacher?

[Mauseri]

No. Next question?

[King Six]

1993 was an AWFULLY long time ago.

And they were driving with active suspension then too, which helped negate the effects of increased squat under braking and roll with heavy fuel.

Ah, touché. It's always these little factoids that are the interesting ones

[giacomo]

Schumacher and Barrichello will have the disadvantage of being very old.

[DOF_power]

In 2005 I didn't any change with the last the whole distance tires. It just made things worse, an hour and 20 minutes of doing nothing.

[ex Rhodie racer 2]

No. Next question?

Are modern fuel tanks indestructable, or will we see Ronnie Peterson type accidents when they are running full fuel loads?

[Mauseri]

Are modern fuel tanks indestructable, or will we see Ronnie Peterson type accidents when they are running full fuel loads?

The chassis is stronger and protects the fuel tank better.

[Victor_RO]

The chassis is stronger and protects the fuel tank better.

Also fuel cell technology has come a very long way since that incident. The 78 in which Peterson was fatally injured had multiple fuel cells around the driver if I remember correctly from the specs, while the 79 had a single fuel cell behind the driver (in the layout that we know now).

I think the last time a car actually burned down completely in F1 was Ghinzani's Osella in practice at Kyalami in '84. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

[potmotr]

If you've any doubt just how long ago 1991 was, look at this clip of Schumacher's first ever qualifying session.

[Lukin]

MS and RB won't be affected I would think, but I can see Kimi being hurt badly by being a year behind in the whole style aspect. It won't take them long to adjust but everyone is doing that now and it's an equal playing, where as in 12 months time (if he does come back) he will be behind the 8 ball.

[Sisplatin]

If you've any doubt just how long ago 1991 was, look at this clip of Schumacher's first ever qualifying session.

the cars are so different
But that Spa track is amazing, its still the same at least 95% of it

[alg7_munif]

What does experience have to do with refuelling?

[DFV]

What does experience have to do with refuelling?

Experience should never be underestimated, the issue here is how to get the most out of the car while adapting to the decreasing fuel loads through the race. Especially the first 1/3 or 1/2 of the race with more fuel load than they are being used to today. As I'm not an F1 driver I am not sure how hard this will be compared to all the other variables on the cars.

[Bloggsworth]

Schumacher and Barrichello will have the disadvantage of being very old.

Do you mind - Stirling Moss is still pretty quick, and he's 80 - It's mostly in the mind.

[intothepits]

Will be interesting seeing these two on track together again, brothers on the track in many ways, raced against the likes of Senna and Prost and also a lot of history between them due to the Ferrari years.

Here's hoping the Williams is competitive enough next year to take on the Merc (unlikely?), could be really interesting Schumacher vs Barrichello.

[Chezrome]

Also fuel cell technology has come a very long way since that incident. The 78 in which Peterson was fatally injured had multiple fuel cells around the driver if I remember correctly from the specs, while the 79 had a single fuel cell behind the driver (in the layout that we know now).

Correct. Peterson had crashed his 79 in practice. The reserve 79 had a special bulk in the front, and Peterson did not fit in that car (only Andretti). So Peterson was forced to take the old 78, which the previous year was troubled by fuelpick up problems at the end of races. Therefore an extra fuelcel was added to the side of the car (don't know where exactly). That's why the car exploded when it crashed into the barrier.

Or so I read.

[BRK]

I don't know if the refuelling ban would hand them an advantage,but the fact that there's a single tyre supplier should at least ensure the problems teams faced in 2005 and 2006 would be considerably reduced. No more artificial races where cars are compromised by the abject lack of pace and inferior quality of tyre-certainly an advantage. (to MS,I mean)

[Hairpin]

No, they will all have experience driving heavy cars after the testing sessions and the tricky part, to make the tires hold and so on, will depends so much on the car itself and the tires that they will have that the experiences from -93 has no value.

I think that the team with the best simulator will take the glory 2010.

[Professor Arturo]

... as the only drivers to have driven F1 under the refuelling ban? Will this extra experience of how to drive an F1 race under these regulations give them a head start at the beginning of the season?

How quickly you have forgotten the 2005 season.