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#1 whatto999

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 15:13

After very successful 2nd part of the 2009 season, FI can improve further and score points regulary in 2010.

Last season they really showed their technical ability. Transition to Mercedes engine along with McLaren technical package including gearbox and hydraulics which was only confirmed in november, meant team had to significantly redesign VJM02. New technical package brought them better reliability and top-class engine, but necessary redesign of the car cost them a lot. According to James Key they lost a month of wind tunnel's time, and new design wasn't nowhere near as optimized. Futhermore, car was build with KERS on mind which was never run and it hurt aero.
Above problems showed on FI results, but after they sorted things out their fantastic in-season car development made VJM02 a very good car, specially on high speed circuit. I would rate them considering their resources at the same level as McLaren's stunning comeback.

With no changes in the team in management and technical structure for 2010, i believe team can do very good job in 2010. They has great basis in VJM02, with further optimizations, better packing, and aero development i believe they can compete with Williams behind leading super-pack including Mercedes, Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari.

In mid-december they announced new partnership to drastically expand their CFD capabilities this year, which would make their resources in that area comparable with top F1 teams.
http://f1.gpupdate.n...-cfd-programme/

With Sutil and Liuzzi they have solid driver pair, not exactly top-notch but much better then bunch of rookies.

Short 2010 intro from FI site:

A new look to Formula 1 in 2010

After the winter holiday break Force India and the 12 other Grand Prix teams are all hard at work preparing their new cars for what promises to be a fascinating 2010 season – one that will look very different from last year. The arrival of four new teams on the scene and the return of Michael Schumacher are just two of the novelties we will see at the first race in Bahrain on March 14.
Indeed the pace of change in F1 is such that Force India is one of only three teams to enter this year with the same two drivers who competed in the last race of 2009.

Even more astonishing is the fact that Force India is one of the only teams heading into 2010 under the same ownership, or at least with the same pattern of shareholders, as last year!

Amid all these changes the continuity at Force India will help the team prepare for what promises to be an intriguing challenge. While the package of technical changes for the new season is not as significant as last year, Grand Prix racing will have a fresh look in 2010 thanks to the ban on refuelling during races. There will still be pit stops for tyres, since as before the rules force drivers to use both the prime and option compounds during an event. But the way races unfold will be very different.

Since the modern era of refuelling came in for the 1994 season F1 has essentially been about sprints between pits stops, with races usually divided into three or four (and less frequently two) segments. Race strategy was all about the complex balance between the weight of the fuel load in the car, and the performance of the tyres over a short stint. Typically the guys at the front of the field have been starting races with 45-60kgs of fuel on board.

Now, once again, everyone will start with the fuel load that will carry them to the chequered flag, which equates to around 160-170kgs (and that will vary by a small but crucial amount between engine suppliers). Traditionally the race that requires the most fuel is Montreal, which is back on the calendar this year, so teams have had to determine the size of their fuel tanks based on that event.

The difference in car behaviour between the first and last laps will be significant. Teams will have to compromise with set-ups, and drivers will have to cope with a much bigger balance change than they have been used to. That will benefit drivers who can adapt more readily to changing circumstances, as opposed to those who only shine when their car is just-so.

The timing of the compulsory tyre stop will be totally flexible, as fuel is not an issue – in theory we could see stops anywhere between the end of the first and start of the last laps. There will be weekends where one compound is favoured and drivers will use up the ‘problem’ tyre as soon as they can, and others where they might want to put it on late, when the fuel load is lighter and there’s less stress on it. Managing the tires when the car is ultra heavy will clearly be crucial.

One major plus is that qualifying goes back to days of pure speed on near empty tanks, with fuel no longer an issue on Saturdays. The fact that cars will always be a similar weight won’t help overtaking, but purists are hoping that since drivers know that they can’t wait to leap frog a rival at a stop, they will be forced to find their own way by. That’s the theory, anyway..

The change will also put a renewed focus on pit crews. Hitherto the driver has had to wait for the fuel hose – the determining factor in stop time. Now it’s going to be change tyres and go, and Force India has already put a big effort into preparing the crew.

The other big novelty in 2010 will be the division of points. The familiar 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system to be replaced by a new format that rewards the top 10 finishers on the basis 25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1, ostensibly so that more drivers on the enlarged 26-car grid have the chance to score.

While the weighting of points between the top three (and seventh) places remains exactly the same, fourth, fifth, sixth and eighth are now worth less than used to be relative to the score for a win

Although there have been small tweaks in the past, such as the move from nine to 10 for a win and more recently rewarding seventh and eighth place instead of just the top six, the new system is so different that any historical comparisons will now be impossible.



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#2 SilentKiller

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 15:23

I believe they are going to do well next year.
They will be fighting for track positions with Sauber, Renault and Williams, and will be beating them frequently.
With not much of a change in the management and technical staff...they could be the surprise package for next year.

#3 noikeee

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 15:53

I think Force India has a decent chance of climbing up the grid all the way to being the 5th best team. I see no reason to believe they cannot beat Sauber, Williams and even Renault - then have an advantage of stability in staff, ownership, drivers and engines over these teams.

#4 peroa

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 16:04

What's the point of running diResta on fridays?

#5 midgrid

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 16:13

So they can evaluate him for a race seat in 2011. There may also be a more advantageous deal with Mercedes (Di Resta is backed by the company) if they do so.

#6 glorius&victorius

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 21:14

did they do a silverstone shakedown today? any pictures?

#7 Xaus

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 08:14

So they can evaluate him for a race seat in 2011. There may also be a more advantageous deal with Mercedes (Di Resta is backed by the company) if they do so.

Wonder who's going to get dropped? Sutil or Liuzzi?

#8 d246

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 09:25

Wonder who's going to get dropped? Sutil or Liuzzi?


Will be intrigued to see how diResta performs. Always thought he was overlooked a couple of years ago.


#9 Simon Says

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 09:28

I still view them as a backmarker team, just ahead of the new teams. I don't expect them at the front of the grid, but let's wait and see. They could have won a race last so anything can happen with this team :lol:

#10 pinnacle racing

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:52

Is today the launch? Where and what time?

#11 SilentKiller

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 06:33

Is today the launch? Where and what time?

Jerez, 10 GMT.

#12 Mastah

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 07:02

Wrong.

VJM03 release - exclusive online-only launch, 09.02., 0930 CET@ http://bit.ly/b6Igz0


So it's 8:30 GMT.

#13 Nustang70

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 07:12

I guess I consider them a dark horse for the season. They showed real pace at a few low down-force tracks late last season; I wouldn't be surprised if they just stuck to their strengths and refined the car as a strong low down-force package. But then again, who knows. I don't see them as the best of the midfield, but they did surprise me last season. Glad to see Liuzzi gets another shot in F1.

#14 SilentKiller

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 07:22

Wrong.



So it's 8:30 GMT.

GMT, CET all are confusing.....it would have been better if they would had the launch in India as usual.

#15 Mastah

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 07:29

India? As you wish - 14:00 ;).

#16 Pharazon

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:13

websites struggling already

#17 Muzzinho

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:18

No one is ever interested in this team are they.

i would find them moe interesting without "India" being part of their name.

Oh well id lie to see their new car i suppose. Uninspiring team though.

#18 Sophie

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:25

FI is my number 2 team, i hope it goes well. I dont understand why you bothered to post that Muzz.

#19 ashnathan

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:29

Thats what muzz does, annoy.

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#20 Mastah

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:32

NobleF1

Force India unveils its new car in 30 minutes.


Meh, another 30 minutes :well:.

#21 Xaus

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:33

The website is getting hammered so hard... anyone manage to get on?

#22 ashnathan

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:34

Theres nothing about ther car launch on the page? ive been on numerous times and there isn't even the numbers 2010 written anywher?

#23 hunnylander

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:36

http://www.f1fanatic...k0610fe01_2.jpg

#24 beckenlima

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:36

here:

http://f1around.word...seu-novo-carro/

#25 dank

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:36

The website is getting hammered so hard... anyone manage to get on?


Nope. Start as you mean to go on!

#26 barteks

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:38

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#27 D.M.N.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:38

Pictures: http://www.f1fanatic...vjm03-pictures/

Virtually exactly the same as 2009 then...

Edited by D.M.N., 09 February 2010 - 08:39.


#28 Muzzinho

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:39

FI is my number 2 team, i hope it goes well. I dont understand why you bothered to post that Muzz.


The team thread has yet to run into double pages. That suggests lot of interest doesnt it??

The team is uninspiring mostly i beleive because of being aligned to India. Thats all im saying.

I want to see their car though, I dont understand why my post was annoying to you.

#29 ashnathan

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:42

looks like last years car with slightly differnet sidepod inlets :S

#30 bogi

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:42

Look at the sidepods :eek:


Great looking car I must say :up:

#31 dank

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:43

Baffles me that, yet again, pictures have been released before the actual launch. Fail.

#32 SPBHM

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:43

Look at the sidepods :eek:


Great looking car I must say :up:



:up:

yes, I like it to.

#33 Xaus

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:45

Wow, that's a great looking car. Last year was pretty damn nice looking, too.

#34 Crusoe

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:45

looks like last years car with slightly differnet sidepod inlets :S

And a shark fin.

#35 Muzzinho

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:47

Hopefully it looks better on track than it does in these pictures.

#36 Xaus

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:48

Hopefully it looks better on track than it does in these pictures.

What? I think these studio shots are probably the best I've seen in a long time in terms of lighting.

#37 dank

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:49

And a shark fin.


Had an enormous shark fin last year as well: http://www.autosport.../id/1321621/s/1

#38 Sophie

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:52

Looks good! I want a video and more hi res pics tho! Hehe.. come on give us some more :D

And Muzz... Shush :) Nothing wrong with having a word on the car, at least they can spell ;)

#39 Pharazon

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:55

looks like a cross between last years car and this years mclaren, which makes sense obviously

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#40 LoudHoward

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:10

I think it looks like a pretty tidy car, the front wing seems well developed.

#41 seahawk

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:15

Pretty car.

#42 werks prototype

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:19

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:up: Looks like they have gone the Mclaren route.


#43 One

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:24

Looks sweet, at least. Well packaged it looks like... Do someone the comparison on side profile?



HOnestly I still do not like the barge boards ands all splitters and so on, the aero add-on.

#44 Gbain

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:24

At least they don't have a RedBull nose. :up:

#45 Mastah

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:27

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:31

sidepod looks a bit fat though,

interesting, to solve bigger tank problem... teams like mclaren have decided to go just long ....theyve decided to go long and wide.

will be nice to see how it all works out, i hope this car can surprise a bit

#47 Gbain

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:35

Wow! I like the upper en-face picture. It is almost pornographic, the way it opens up for the diffusor air. :blush:

#48 femi

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:38

Wow! I like the upper en-face picture. It is almost pornographic, the way it opens up for the diffusor air. :blush:


Very revealing I must say and I don't mean the car!

#49 mtknot

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:40

The car looks a whole lot more developed than its predecessor though those aero elements really are brawnesque-not exactly a bad thing. iirc force india had the best aero efficiency last year right? They tended to top the speed trap results.

#50 Owen

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:43

Great effort. Clearly a lot of work has gone into the aero. Front wing looks great. If it's as good on track as it looks these guys could hoover up lots of points this year.