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[Cam2InfoNeeded]

Here's a couple of more I found recently. The first 2 are the Porsche 936 with a variation on the airscoop (wider than raced version)



and the Ferrari 312P in longertail form with initial elongated tail and rear "window"

[Cam2InfoNeeded]

Here is the 917/30 in pre-season testing.

Anyone would could help with any more photos of this car (especailly the tail section) would be GREATLY appreciated!!!

Edited by Cam2InfoNeeded, 15 August 2010 - 20:45.

[Cam2InfoNeeded]

I AM STOAKED (English translation...super happy!)!

I just went back on to the Italian Porsche website "PorscheMania Forum" where I just found the first photo, and tried to see if I could find anything else on this Donohue/917-30 prototype. I put in "917/30" into the search engine, and found another topic with these photos!





These are best I've ever seen (and I've been looking for a long time). Top 2 photos show it with the short tail, second 2 are of the extended/cobbled up long tail. Hopefully there might still be someone out there who might have a few more (I need to see if the metal area around the doors were made since the chassis they were testing had several extension pieces to alter chassis wheelbase).

Edited by Cam2InfoNeeded, 15 August 2010 - 21:14.

[Cam2InfoNeeded]

Notice the short tail in this photo (also the cluttered engine compartment).
Here's is another photo of it from another photo session.
It has the rear wing in a much shallower/shorter configuration than even on the 1972 917/10.


Notice how much they cleaned up the rear end of the car behind the firewall in the engine compartment of the actual 917/30 race car;

Edited by Cam2InfoNeeded, 15 August 2010 - 21:56.

[Cam2InfoNeeded]

It seems a lot of weird things gets tried in F1.

Here is a "boomerrang" rear wing setup tried on a Tyrrell 012 in 1983.



Here is a wing tested on an Arrows (I think) at Monoco in 2001. It wasn't allowed to be used in the race.

Edited by Cam2InfoNeeded, 18 August 2010 - 21:24.

[arttidesco]

Looks like Jos 'The Boss' in the Arrows :-)

[arttidesco]

Rene Arnoux testing the doomed 4 cylinder Alfa Romeo Turbo in a Euroracing 185T.

[Cam2InfoNeeded]

They must have been using yoga positions for their feet when driving this thing.

[Cam2InfoNeeded]

Here's a "factory" Lamborghini sports car that I ran across photos for...


Here is someone's idea of what a new Ferrari Le Mans prototype car could look like (wicked!!!)....

[proviz]

That Lambo sports racer was built by AMS for an American client, so I wonder what it's doing in Lamborghini's premises. It's been reported to have run in Modena Autodromo with various nose panels, but these are the only ones I've ever seen. Anyone else seen variations?
The Ferrari Le Mans model's cockpit dimensions surely would not comply with current regs, would they? But some very nice ideas there.

Edited by proviz, 03 September 2010 - 05:56.

[arttidesco]

First time I have ever seen an F1 car with the Mosely Down Wash rear wings, Rubens in an F1 Ferrari does anyone know when or where this test occurred ?

[macoran]

First time I have ever seen an F1 car with the Mosely Down Wash rear wings, Rubens in an F1 Ferrari does anyone know when or where this test occurred ?

Probably shortly after the "wing idea" was announced on someone's shoppapiccie circuit.

[Dan333SP]

and the Ferrari 312P in longertail form with initial elongated tail and rear "window"

I'd love to see a photo of this from the side, if anyone has it... The 312P has always been one of my favorite sports cars of all time, and I always thought it'd be even sexier with a longtail like the 512S that followed it.

First time I have ever seen an F1 car with the Mosely Down Wash rear wings, Rubens in an F1 Ferrari does anyone know when or where this test occurred ?

As pointed out, that's definitely a photoshop job. I remember seeing that pic attached to some website's reports about the proposed idea, along with CFD airflow analysis and maybe even a windtunnel model, but Ferrari definitely never built a car with the actual wing.

[arttidesco]

As pointed out, that's definitely a photoshop job. I remember seeing that pic attached to some website's reports about the proposed idea, along with CFD airflow analysis and maybe even a windtunnel model, but Ferrari definitely never built a car with the actual wing.

Dang Photoshop !

[proviz]

Quote from post 113:
"I'd love to see a photo of this from the side, if anyone has it... The 312P has always been one of my favorite sports cars of all time, and I always thought it'd be even sexier with a longtail like the 512S that followed it."

As far as I can see it's actually the regular tail section, only perhaps looks a bit longer from this angle and with the top section added. There have been quite a few pics of this early coupe version from the side and even from the rear in various publications, for example "Ferrari Catalogue Raisonnee".

[eldougo]

This is an Historic photo of the first big Banger as the used to call them......The Mclaren M6a fresh out of the factory 1968.

.... Thanks for the correction .ROB
The first Mc Laren F1 V8 Traco/Oldsmobile 1966



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Edited by eldougo, 23 January 2011 - 10:47.

[eldougo]

1981 first outing of the BMWMarch GTP-C at Silverstone .




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Edited by eldougo, 23 January 2011 - 07:53.

[eldougo]

Big Johns SURTEES ts19 launch day1976 outside the factory.



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[kayemod]

This is an Historic photo of the first big Banger as the used to call them......The Mclaren M8 fresh out of the factory 1968.


The first Mc Laren F1 V8 Traco/Oldsmobile 1966

Very nice, except that it's not an M8 but an M6A.

[Marc Sproule]

I've finally gotten around to creating a testing "set" and have added about a dozen snaps to it today. I will be adding more in the future as I come across them in my archives. They are all from sessions here in North America.

http://www.flickr.co...57626043689098/

All of my sets....

http://www.flickr.co...81980@N03/sets/

[eldougo]

The 1970 De Tomaso Ford F1 car at the Modena factory one off 4 built. for Frank Williams.



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[eldougo]

A.J. testing the 6 wheeler 1981 .



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Edited by eldougo, 20 February 2011 - 05:40.

[Duc-Man]

@Cam2InfoNeeded: can you tell me from what book the photos of the 917/10 prototype/test car in your opening post are?

[Marc Sproule]

nearly 350 images in my testing set now. have more scanned and will upload when life gets a bit less crazed on my end.

 

https://www.flickr.c...57626043689098/

 

all my sets...

 

https://www.flickr.c...81980@N03/sets/

[Duc-Man]

One from fb:

Shadow DN8-4A at its first appearance as 'streamliner'. The chassis was rebuild twice and won the race in Austria with Alan Jones driving.

The same car today:

[Francois78]

Good morning gents .

 Here is a video with 2 group.C ( Aston martin AMR1 and Nissan R89c ) during test days at Dijon in 1989 with unusual black carbon liveries :

http://hoslotfrance.free.fr/?p=805

[PayasYouRace]

So many dead links

[Languedoc]

I do not recall seeing a picture of the original F1 Turbo Renault testing in colour before Autosport was 95 percent in black & white back in the day

Are those Godd Year tyres?

[Languedoc]

Are those Godd Year tyres?

G o o d...

[Marc Sproule]

flickr says 476 images in my testing set as we speak.....lots more to come

 

https://www.flickr.c...57626043689098/

 

all my sets.....

 

https://www.flickr.c...81980@N03/sets/

[eldougo]

1988 Patrese tried a low drag wing in German GP in the FW-12Judd.

 

Edited by eldougo, 08 January 2017 - 04:43.

[TennisUK]

No overhead intake for the engine to breath either, not ideal at Hocekenheim I'd assume given how important power is. Guess the theory was the reduced drag would compensate for the slight loss in power.

[eldougo]

J.Ickx trying a Horizontal flat air box Canadian Gp 1976.

Shadow had one like this early in the season .

Edited by eldougo, 10 January 2017 - 08:41.

[Duc-Man]

 

 

What were they thinking?

Does anybody know when, where, why?

[Henri Greuter]

 

 

What were they thinking?

Does anybody know when, where, why?

 

Either late '82 or early '83, right after the ban on wing cars and mandatory flat bottoms on the cars. Whatever may generate downforce was tried. Here an Arrows.

No idea where but I dare to take a guess on Paul Ricard

 

Henri

[fausto]

J.Ickx trying a Horizontal flat air box Canadian Gp 1976.

Shadow had one like this early in the season .

IIRC airscoop  looks like one Ensign tried back in the spring 1976, when the new rules cut the airbox minimum height. Being painted in red looks like the proof, in 1976 that was the car colour, when Amon drove it.

[Charlieman]

What were they thinking?

Does anybody know when, where, why?

My guess is that they were trying to understand how the car's aerodynamics worked. The high wing, at fairly low angle of incidence, would provide predictable downforce over the front wheels. Downforce from that wing wouldn't move forwards or backwards -- so if underfloor or body wing bodywork affected the car (e.g. porpoising), impact might be more evident.

 

I reckon it would be a tricky test to evaluate.

[group7]

Brabham BT 52 pre season testing Brands Hatch, 1983

 

http://f1-history.de...-1983-593682725

 

can't post , so here is link.

Edited by group7, 05 February 2017 - 01:29.

[dolomite]

I seem to recall there were some spy photos of the BT52 running in camouflage paint at Brands (?) prior to its official unveiling.

[arttidesco]

Have we had Jody Scheckter testing a Ferrari 126C ?

[arttidesco]

Rene Arnoux with some sort of growth on the nose of his 126 C3.

[nmansellfan]

Looks like some sort of cover for an onboard film camera when not being used?

It wouldn't look out of place on a 2017 F1 car though!

[arttidesco]

I seem to recall there were some spy photos of the BT52 running in camouflage paint at Brands (?) prior to its official unveiling.

 

Do not remember that but here is a BT51

[arttidesco]

Does anyone have pix to show the original BT 46 running in this mode ?

 

Seven years after asking no response, but here is a pic of John Watson about to step into the surface cooled BT46 suggesting it did run, but for how long ?

[arttidesco]

While we are on Brabham's nice pic of Bernie polishing the Turtle Wax off an unusual BT45 for a high gloss finish.

[Cavalier53]

Saving weight, inspired by Neubauer?

[dolomite]

Brabham BT52 in camouflage paint

http://www.f1db.ru/q2306

[TennisUK]

That looks very odd, particularly as it doesn't seem to have dimished the view of the car in the slightest. I can't imagine Bernie would have been happ about it given how fastidious he was about the cars appearances.

Edited by TennisUK, 11 March 2017 - 08:50.

[arttidesco]

What seems particularly odd about the camo BT52 is that Nelson appears to have got some of the camo paint on his helmet.

[arttidesco]

Looking rather like a Channel Islands sand racer Gilles in a T4 or T5 sans any bodywork except a nose cone.