The 60th anniversary of the F1 World Championship in Bahrain 2010
#1
Posted 28 February 2010 - 14:52
Which F1 World Champions and which F1 cars are expected to make a presence and which are confirmed ?
#3
Posted 28 February 2010 - 19:40
What genius thought of that? Honouring your history!
Can't help thinking this sort of thing wouldn't have happened with the regime of last year.
Well done, even if Bahrain seems an incongruous place, what with lack of F1 history and poor crowds.
#4
Posted 28 February 2010 - 19:42
#5
Posted 28 February 2010 - 20:02
Let's hope this isn't the only event celebrating this anniversary, and that they plan to do one as well at the site of the very first World Championship GP (Silverstone). That would be even more poignant.
Would you seriously think Bernie would allow such a thing to happen
Anyway, I'm looking forward to race #1000 which should take place 2019
#6
Posted 28 February 2010 - 20:06
Would you seriously think Bernie would allow such a thing to happen
Well of course, knowing dear ol' Bernard, it won't. But it's always nice to have hopes about something.
#7
Posted 28 February 2010 - 20:09
Well of course, knowing dear ol' Bernard, it won't. But it's always nice to have hopes about something.
Just my thoughts
#8
Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:08
#9
Posted 01 March 2010 - 12:52
#10
Posted 01 March 2010 - 13:06
#11
Posted 02 March 2010 - 12:40
Two F1 champions to miss 2010 season opener, March 2nd 2010
Two living world champions look set to be missing at next weekend's F1 season opener in Bahrain.
Last month, the race's organisers announced that all twenty living title winners would attend as part of the sport's 60th anniversary celebrations.
If Jacques Villeneuve is driving for the hopeful Stefan GP, the 2010 grid will already be boasting five of the champions, including Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton and 2009 winner Jenson Button.
The other champions confirmed for Bahrain are Mika Hakkinen, Damon Hill, Alain Prost, Nigel Mansell, Niki Lauda, Keke Rosberg, Alan Jones, Jody Scheckter, Mario Andretti, Emerson Fittipaldi, Jackie Stewart and John Surtees.
83-year-old Sir Jack Brabham, the oldest living world champion, will also be at the 2010 season opener, and the late Juan Manuel Fangio's nephew and namesake will be representing the great Argentinean.
The only two champions who have not confirmed their attendance are three-time winner Nelson Piquet, and 2007 world champion Kimi Raikkonen, who has switched full time to the world rally championship.
Also at the circuit will be more than 20 of the cars driven by the sport's legends.
"We expect the majority of the 20 plus cars to be displayed on track and, where possible, be driven by the original world champion," circuit advisor Martin Whitaker is quoted as saying by the Gulf Daily News.
Damon Hill will be on track representing the cars of the 90s, and so his son Josh will drive the Lotus 49 as raced by his grandfather Graham.
#12
Posted 02 March 2010 - 12:43
Two F1 champions to miss 2010 season opener, March 2nd 2010
Two living world champions look set to be missing at next weekend's F1 season opener in Bahrain.
Last month, the race's organisers announced that all twenty living title winners would attend as part of the sport's 60th anniversary celebrations.
If Jacques Villeneuve is driving for the hopeful Stefan GP, the 2010 grid will already be boasting five of the champions, including Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton and 2009 winner Jenson Button.
The other champions confirmed for Bahrain are Mika Hakkinen, Damon Hill, Alain Prost, Nigel Mansell, Niki Lauda, Keke Rosberg, Alan Jones, Jody Scheckter, Mario Andretti, Emerson Fittipaldi, Jackie Stewart and John Surtees.
83-year-old Sir Jack Brabham, the oldest living world champion, will also be at the 2010 season opener, and the late Juan Manuel Fangio's nephew and namesake will be representing the great Argentinean.
The only two champions who have not confirmed their attendance are three-time winner Nelson Piquet, and 2007 world champion Kimi Raikkonen, who has switched full time to the world rally championship.
Also at the circuit will be more than 20 of the cars driven by the sport's legends.
"We expect the majority of the 20 plus cars to be displayed on track and, where possible, be driven by the original world champion," circuit advisor Martin Whitaker is quoted as saying by the Gulf Daily News.
Damon Hill will be on track representing the cars of the 90s, and so his son Josh will drive the Lotus 49 as raced by his grandfather Graham.
Now this is something I really want to see repeated at Silverstone.
#13
Posted 02 March 2010 - 12:48
See what progress the sport has made!
Edited by kar, 02 March 2010 - 12:48.
#14
Posted 02 March 2010 - 16:04
2ndHowever, the 60th year was last year.
#15
Posted 06 March 2010 - 14:07
1950 Ferrari 125 'Thinwall'
1951 Ferrari 375
1952 Ferrari 500 F2
1954 Mercedes-Benz W196
1952 Ferrari Tipo 500 F2
1957 Maserati 250F
1960 Cooper-Climax T53
1962 BRM P57 'stackpipe'
1963 Lotus-Climax 25
1964 Ferrari 1512
1968 Lotus-Ford 49
1969 Matra-Ford MS80
1972 Lotus-Ford 72
1973 Tyrrell-Ford 006
1976 McLaren-Ford M23
1978 Lotus-Ford 79
1979 Ferrari 312T4
1982 Williams-Ford FW08
1983 Brabham-BMW BT52
1988 McLaren-Honda MP4/4
1996 Williams-Renault FW18
2007 McLaren-Mercedes MP4-22
http://translate.goo...y...sl=fr&tl=en
Edited by brabham bt50, 06 March 2010 - 18:11.
#16
Posted 06 March 2010 - 15:50
There is one glaring omission in my view: couldn't someone have persuaded Alfa-Romeo to release the beautiful tipo 158/9 as driven by Farina and Fangio?
#17
Posted 06 March 2010 - 15:52
However, the 60th year was last year.
60th Anniversary of the start of the championship is this though. 13th May to be exact.( and yes Nostalgia guys I know the current championship started in 1979 lol) Shame none of the drivers survive from the first race, Robert Manzon I believe is still alive from the second race.
#18
Posted 06 March 2010 - 16:29
List of cars
1950 Ferrari 125 'Thinwall'
1951 Ferrari 375
1952 Ferrari 500 F2
1954 Mercedes-Benz W196
1952 Ferrari Tipo 500 F2
1954 Mercedes-Benz W196
1957 Maserati 250F
1960 Cooper-Climax T53
1957 Maserati 250F
1960 Cooper-Climax T53
1962 BRM P57 'stackpipe'
1963 Lotus-Climax 25
1962 BRM P57 'stackpipe'
1963 Lotus-Climax 25
1964 Ferrari 1512
1968 Lotus-Ford 49
1969 Matra-Ford MS80
1972 Lotus-Ford 72
1973 Tyrrell-Ford 006
1976 McLaren-Ford M23
1978 Lotus-Ford 79
1979 Ferrari 312T4
1982 Williams-Ford FW08
1983 Brabham-BMW BT52
1988 McLaren-Honda MP4/4
1996 Williams-Renault FW18
2007 McLaren-Mercedes MP4-22
http://translate.goo...y...sl=fr&tl=en
Though there seem to be some repeats there.
#19
Posted 06 March 2010 - 16:30
60th Anniversary of the start of the championship is this though. 13th May to be exact.( and yes Nostalgia guys I know the current championship started in 1979 lol) Shame none of the drivers survive from the first race, Robert Manzon I believe is still alive from the second race.
Obviously. The nth anniversary is by definition at the end of the nth year. (i.e. the 1st anniversary is at the end of the 1st year, etc)
#21
Posted 10 March 2010 - 14:29
Couldn't agree more.Hmmm in 60 years, we've gone from the lush fields of Northamptonshire to a glorified sandpit in the middle-east
See what progress the sport has made!
#22
Posted 10 March 2010 - 14:36
#23
Posted 10 March 2010 - 15:23
The reason is very simple. To hold such an event, the first and the most important factor you should consider is the expense. You should be rich enough to afford the event, including invitaion fee, transportation expense, accommodation fee, and marketing expense. I don't think Monza or other western track owner has this ability, because most of them are firms. They should always take care of their balance sheet. But Bahrain,or China, they are rich enough and have national support, they don't care that small sum of money. So don't look down upon these countries, without them, you will never see these kinds of events.THis is the entire problem with starting the year in Bahrain, this type of celebration belongs in a place with a racing history, rabid fans and some sense of 'place'. Melbourne is not quite Monza (though much better organised) but man ... Bahrain ... yipes.
#24
Posted 10 March 2010 - 16:09
List of cars
1950 Ferrari 125 'Thinwall'
1951 Ferrari 375
1952 Ferrari 500 F2
1954 Mercedes-Benz W196
1952 Ferrari Tipo 500 F2
1957 Maserati 250F
1960 Cooper-Climax T53
1962 BRM P57 'stackpipe'
1963 Lotus-Climax 25
1964 Ferrari 1512
1968 Lotus-Ford 49
1969 Matra-Ford MS80
1972 Lotus-Ford 72
1973 Tyrrell-Ford 006
1976 McLaren-Ford M23
1978 Lotus-Ford 79
1979 Ferrari 312T4
1982 Williams-Ford FW08
1983 Brabham-BMW BT52
1988 McLaren-Honda MP4/4
1996 Williams-Renault FW18
2007 McLaren-Mercedes MP4-22
http://translate.goo...y...sl=fr&tl=en
Not a single Ferrari from 2000 to 2004? Maybe to prevent MS of a regret..
#25
Posted 10 March 2010 - 17:02
THis is the entire problem with starting the year in Bahrain, this type of celebration belongs in a place with a racing history, rabid fans and some sense of 'place'. Melbourne is not quite Monza (though much better organised) but man ... Bahrain ... yipes.
F1 celebrating its history, attending is a bunch of bored trust-fund sheiks sipping oj , what's not to like ?
The fans can watch the clips later on youtube, let's not be greedy .
#26
Posted 10 March 2010 - 17:15
Hmmm in 60 years, we've gone from the lush fields of Northamptonshire to a glorified sandpit in the middle-east
See what progress the sport has made!
60 years ago, they could have started the championship in the spectacular forests of Spa, or the glamourous marina setting of Monte Carlo, or the dramatic setting of Bremgarten. All were well regarded pre-war circuits, with history and driving challenge.
Instead they went to a disused WWII bomber base in Northamptonshire with only 2 years of history and a rather uninspiring, flat layout.
Yep, what progress!
#28
Posted 12 March 2010 - 18:40
“Should be a fantastic sight tomorrow AM in Bahrain when a bunch of World Champions have a go in World Champion cars.
Surtees, Stewart, Fittipaldi, Andretti, Scheckter, Rosberg and Damon Hill will be in cars they raced with, while others will be out in older machinery.
Mansell, Prost, Hakkinen and Lauda will be in 50s cars.
With luck Jacques Villeneuve will be in the ex-Hunt/Gilles McLaren M23...
But only if the owner approves. And the owner is Bernie Ecclestone!
In total 18 F1 World Champions will be in the photo operation on Sunday March 14th 2010, with only
Nelson Piquet Sr and Raikkonen not making the trip to here.”
http://twitter.com/adamcooperf1
#29
Posted 12 March 2010 - 18:45
#30
Posted 12 March 2010 - 19:24
#31
Posted 12 March 2010 - 19:57
List of cars
1950 Ferrari 125 'Thinwall'
1951 Ferrari 375
1952 Ferrari 500 F2
1954 Mercedes-Benz W196
1952 Ferrari Tipo 500 F2
1957 Maserati 250F
1960 Cooper-Climax T53
1962 BRM P57 'stackpipe'
1963 Lotus-Climax 25
1964 Ferrari 1512
1968 Lotus-Ford 49
1969 Matra-Ford MS80
1972 Lotus-Ford 72
1973 Tyrrell-Ford 006
1976 McLaren-Ford M23
1978 Lotus-Ford 79
1979 Ferrari 312T4
1982 Williams-Ford FW08
1983 Brabham-BMW BT52
1988 McLaren-Honda MP4/4
1996 Williams-Renault FW18
2007 McLaren-Mercedes MP4-22
http://translate.goo...y...sl=fr&tl=en
Why is the MP4-22 going?
Shame neither the R25 or R26 will be there.
#32
Posted 12 March 2010 - 20:24
I think Raikkonnen and the Piquets wanted nothing to do with F1 anymore, hence their non-show.
In Kimi´s case one has to remember that he has a Rally career now...which means that he could have a test day this weekend or some technical meeting! I remember that he spend the whole weekend before the mexican Rally at the HQ of citroen.
#33
Posted 12 March 2010 - 20:25
I think Raikkonnen and the Piquets wanted nothing to do with F1 anymore, hence their non-show.
Maybe that's not the case but the way we even question it is why I just cannot fathom why fans are so keen to see Kimi in their favourite team.
I'd honestly have Alonso, Hamilton, Schumacher, Massa, Webber, vettel, Button, Rosberg, Barichello, Heidfeld and maybe a few others in the car before i give kimi the wheel.
i mean he looked bored in 2007 when he won the damned thing.
Edited by Alfisti, 12 March 2010 - 20:26.
#34
Posted 12 March 2010 - 20:40
Hmm you would expect to see the F2002 or F2004 in there as well, those cars really dominated to the field and in my eyes should have been part of the show, but i guess you have to make cuts somewhere.List of cars
1950 Ferrari 125 'Thinwall'
1951 Ferrari 375
1952 Ferrari 500 F2
1954 Mercedes-Benz W196
1952 Ferrari Tipo 500 F2
1957 Maserati 250F
1960 Cooper-Climax T53
1962 BRM P57 'stackpipe'
1963 Lotus-Climax 25
1964 Ferrari 1512
1968 Lotus-Ford 49
1969 Matra-Ford MS80
1972 Lotus-Ford 72
1973 Tyrrell-Ford 006
1976 McLaren-Ford M23
1978 Lotus-Ford 79
1979 Ferrari 312T4
1982 Williams-Ford FW08
1983 Brabham-BMW BT52
1988 McLaren-Honda MP4/4
1996 Williams-Renault FW18
2007 McLaren-Mercedes MP4-22
http://translate.goo...y...sl=fr&tl=en
#35
Posted 13 March 2010 - 22:52
#36
Posted 13 March 2010 - 23:04
#37
Posted 14 March 2010 - 16:40
60th Anniversary of the start of the championship is this though. 13th May to be exact.( and yes Nostalgia guys I know the current championship started in 1979 lol) Shame none of the drivers survive from the first race, Robert Manzon I believe is still alive from the second race.
Formula A/1/I was introduced with the 1947 season and not 1950.
The 60th anniversary of the original World Championship for Drivers (Championnat du Monde des Conducteurs) is this year, which is, interestingly enough, also the 30th anniversary of its being terminated in 1980, an act that JM Balestre committed as his contribution to the FIASCO War, Alan Jones being the last in the line of these world champions, the last event in this series being the United States Grand Prix held on 5 October 1980 at Watkins Glen.
The 30th season of the “FIA Formula One World Championship” -- the current world championship -- is this year, this championship beginning with the Grand Prix of Long Beach on 15 March 1981. This was an entirely new championship, even if this is not openly admitted by anyone, which was established upon the termination of the original championship by the FISA so as to allow the FISA to literally own the championship, something which it did do with the one established in 1950.
Sorry, but that is history for you, just no end of inconvenient facts to trip up the clueless as usual public relations machinery....
By the way, don't blame me if you don't like this or refuse to accept it, it was all JM Balestre's doings, he did it.
Edited by HDonaldCapps, 15 March 2010 - 05:53.
#38
Posted 14 March 2010 - 19:42
#39
Posted 14 March 2010 - 20:04
looks like over half of WDC titles on one picture
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#40
Posted 14 March 2010 - 20:23
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#41
Posted 14 March 2010 - 20:54
Pictures of cars and drivers. Sorry about the long post but it was better to have in a single one than scattered..
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#42
Posted 15 March 2010 - 07:12
Yeah, no kidding. I'm hoping they bothered to take some better pictures (better lighting, no prince, etc) and that they turn up somewhere. If they didn't, it was a tremendous opportunity missed.Way to ruin the picture, Fresh Prince of Bahrain and Bernie..
#43
Posted 15 March 2010 - 10:33
Formula A/1/I was introduced with the 1947 season and not 1950.
The 60th anniversary of the original World Championship for Drivers (Championnat du Monde des Conducteurs) is this year, which is, interestingly enough, also the 30th anniversary of its being terminated in 1980, an act that JM Balestre committed as his contribution to the FIASCO War, Alan Jones being the last in the line of these world champions, the last event in this series being the United States Grand Prix held on 5 October 1980 at Watkins Glen.
The 30th season of the “FIA Formula One World Championship” -- the current world championship -- is this year, this championship beginning with the Grand Prix of Long Beach on 15 March 1981. This was an entirely new championship, even if this is not openly admitted by anyone, which was established upon the termination of the original championship by the FISA so as to allow the FISA to literally own the championship, something which it did do with the one established in 1950.
Sorry, but that is history for you, just no end of inconvenient facts to trip up the clueless as usual public relations machinery....
By the way, don't blame me if you don't like this or refuse to accept it, it was all JM Balestre's doings, he did it.
Way to suck all the fun out of it. Tt's the same series. Sure they changed the name but it had all the same circuits, teams, drivers, etc. It continued as it left off. I mean they even count all the results together. In this case a historical technicality doesn't change that there have been 60 years since the first world championship with F1 cars. The only gap was really in 52-53 when it was held with F2 cars.
#44
Posted 15 March 2010 - 10:40
#45
Posted 15 March 2010 - 11:49
#46
Posted 15 March 2010 - 13:28
Way to suck all the fun out of it. Tt's the same series. Sure they changed the name but it had all the same circuits, teams, drivers, etc. It continued as it left off. I mean they even count all the results together. In this case a historical technicality doesn't change that there have been 60 years since the first world championship with F1 cars. The only gap was really in 52-53 when it was held with F2 cars.
Nope, the championship that the CSI established in the 1949 Fall meeting and began during the 1950 season was TERMINATED by the FISA at its Rio meeting in April 1980 effective the end of the 1980 season.
The current championship is NOT the same series. Only in 1981 did it become the “FIA Formula One World Championship” whereas prior to that it could be held for baby buggies as far as the CSI was concerned, there not being a requirement that the championship use the "International Racing Formula 1," although it usually did, especially after 1960 and the IMS anomaly was dropped -- even though the IMS events were based on the same formula that began in use in 1947, the A.A.A. adopting the new international formula at the time, but allowing the continued use of the 3-litre blown engines as well as allowing other criteria for various engines (e,g,, Diesel) to be used -- only from 1954-1960 were the IMS events completely at odds with the formula being used in the other championship events; the commercial interests of the championship prior to 1981 did not belong to the FISA or the FIA. That is why there was a new championship created to being with the 1981 season.
The championship that began with the 1981 season, the current one, is quite different from the one that preceded it for 31 seasons. It was scarcely a "historical technicality."
All the explanations and historical reasons are simply a waste of time when trying to countermand the (historically clueless) public relations and media types when they begin thumping and banging the drums for something to celebrate.
As to, "it had all the same circuits, teams, drivers, etc.," the teams really really did not have many choices did they? That still does not make it the same series.
However much one wishes to dismiss it or ignore it, such is history. Believing otherwise does not change the facts.
As Rob points out, the original AIACR world championship that the CSI sanctioned was held in 1925, with the inaugural event being the International 500 Mile Sweepstakes at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Peter De Paolo and Duesenberg being the winners of that event.
Edited by HDonaldCapps, 15 March 2010 - 19:31.
#47
Posted 16 March 2010 - 02:04
Maybe they were just sitting in as placeholders so someone could photoshop Kimi and Nelson in.Way to ruin the picture, Fresh Prince of Bahrain and Bernie..
#48
Posted 16 March 2010 - 12:35
Nope, the championship that the CSI established in the 1949 Fall meeting and began during the 1950 season was TERMINATED by the FISA at its Rio meeting in April 1980 effective the end of the 1980 season.
The current championship is NOT the same series. Only in 1981 did it become the “FIA Formula One World Championship” whereas prior to that it could be held for baby buggies as far as the CSI was concerned, there not being a requirement that the championship use the "International Racing Formula 1," although it usually did, especially after 1960 and the IMS anomaly was dropped -- even though the IMS events were based on the same formula that began in use in 1947, the A.A.A. adopting the new international formula at the time, but allowing the continued use of the 3-litre blown engines as well as allowing other criteria for various engines (e,g,, Diesel) to be used -- only from 1954-1960 were the IMS events completely at odds with the formula being used in the other championship events; the commercial interests of the championship prior to 1981 did not belong to the FISA or the FIA. That is why there was a new championship created to being with the 1981 season.
The championship that began with the 1981 season, the current one, is quite different from the one that preceded it for 31 seasons. It was scarcely a "historical technicality."
All the explanations and historical reasons are simply a waste of time when trying to countermand the (historically clueless) public relations and media types when they begin thumping and banging the drums for something to celebrate.
As to, "it had all the same circuits, teams, drivers, etc.," the teams really really did not have many choices did they? That still does not make it the same series.
However much one wishes to dismiss it or ignore it, such is history. Believing otherwise does not change the facts.
As Rob points out, the original AIACR world championship that the CSI sanctioned was held in 1925, with the inaugural event being the International 500 Mile Sweepstakes at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Peter De Paolo and Duesenberg being the winners of that event.
Ok they are different championships. But at the time no one made any real effort to differentiate the new one from the old one. All the statistics were added on to the previous one. For me that's the main thing . The first World Championship (1925) had little continuity to the 1950 one. That's why I don't think it's wrong to consider the 1950/1981 championships as a continuous series and to celebrate that.
Edit: I feel I should clarify that I do enjoy looking into motor racing history, and have also enjoyed some of your own articles that I've read at places such as 8w. It's just that you come across as trying to undermine what is cause for worthy celebration, and that is 60 continous years of World Championship racing (the vast majority of it in F1 cars).
Edited by PayasYouRace, 16 March 2010 - 13:14.