Nice try...
It's over here
Jp
No ****? I did request to the mods to merge this topic into the Jersey GP thread.
Seriously, go look at my first post in that thread.
Posted 25 March 2010 - 18:53
Nice try...
It's over here
Jp
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 19:18
Posted 25 March 2010 - 19:37
Could you imagine the line of traffic on Hwy 68? Both ways too!
And the outrage from the residents
Clint wouldn't have it either. He doesn't need more traffic clogging up his private Idaho.
**Yes it is an awesome track to drive though.
Posted 25 March 2010 - 20:16
Posted 25 March 2010 - 23:28
I'll see your layout and raise you this one:Those aren't bad, but the land there is sparse and almost swamp-like. I've had a quick scout around and made this, Albert Park style, in James L. Braddock North County Park, also in NJ:
Posted 25 March 2010 - 23:37
I'll see your layout and raise you this one:
http://www.gmap-pedo....com/?r=3577507
Posted 25 March 2010 - 23:52
I'll give it a go - not like any of these will happenI'll see your layout and raise you this one:
http://www.gmap-pedo....com/?r=3577507
But again with the NIMBYs.
Edited by Lazarus II, 25 March 2010 - 23:54.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 00:18
Salt Lake city is not a major metropolis? Better do your homework son.1) Three words, it's in Utah...
2) "Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow you may be in Utah". Who in the world wants to go to Utah that doesn't have to?
3) There are no major metropolii anywhere in Utah. It's Utah... The biggest attactions in Utah are a huge hole in the ground and a dead lake.
I really don't think the F1 crowd is going to flock to Utah. In general, people go to races to have fun and when most folks think of fun places to go, it's doubtful that Utah tops the list (heh, it's doubtful that Utah even makes the list). What do you do after the race? Go check out the Mormon Tabernacle Choir?
I've been there, and invariably the best part of visiting Utah is getting on the plane for the flight out...
Posted 26 March 2010 - 01:43
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 01:58
Better idea: driving around a prison!It's like driving around a trash dump
Edited by Captain Tightpants, 26 March 2010 - 02:04.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 02:59
Posted 26 March 2010 - 04:49
Don't stop for hitch hikersBetter idea: driving around a prison!
http://www.gmap-pedo....com/?r=3577746
Posted 26 March 2010 - 05:01
Edited by Lazarus II, 26 March 2010 - 05:25.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 06:48
A more practical version for you:Easily the best one yet http://www.gmap-pedo....com/?r=3577939
Posted 26 March 2010 - 08:56
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 10:36
Salt Lake City is the 48th largest metro area in the United States, after such powerhouse metropolis as Hartford, Jacksonville, Providence and Orlando.Salt Lake city is not a major metropolis? Better do your homework son.
And, MMSP is a great race track. IMHO could work for F1.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:17
I just don't know. After sleeping on this one, as much as I would love to see a race in NY (NJ) in 2 years, I just can't see it happening. Whether it's in the Meadowlands or Liberty State Park, even if we could get past all of the environmental issues, which I doubt (Liberty State Park even fought and turned down building a Sept 11 Memorial because it would have destroyed the park's beauty), did anybody wonder who's going to pay for pits, garages, a paddock, grandstands, a podium, and everything that goes along with it. Not to mention, uh, the track? Construction work has stalled on the ridiculous Meadowlands Xanadu complex. It was supposed to be completed already in 2007 and now it sits there, 90% completed, but an empty hulk because the economy is in shambles, the builder defaulted and nobody is willing to complete it and nobody is willing to rent retail space. The state spent millions on road and rail extensions to handle the additional traffic. There's no way anybody is going to agree to more construction in the area without a clear plan on earning it back. And we all know, hosting an F1 race doesn't earn the promoter a lot of cash.
I'm guessing after Vegas officials told Bernie to take a hike he's using the threat of a NY Grand Prix to convince the board at Indy that they're not the only game in town. A plan which I'm sure will back fire anyway.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 12:00
Besides the permanent paddock area and the floor, Monaco does work with temporary grand stand and stands. It will most certainly not possible to build one like Abu Dhabi on the Liberty State Park I am assuming. NYC is great place for Formula One, VISUALLY, but but,.. every traffic disruption costs huge $$$ perhaps with 9 to 10 figures, and if in case accidents happens, this will cost the promotor and the insurer huge costs and litigation risks.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 12:05
The only reason I suggested Liberty State Park was because Ecclestone said he wanted it fifteen minutes from Manhattan and with Manattan itself visible in the background. Liberty was the only location that fit the profile, unless you actually had something in Jersery City proper (which, next to Manhattan, would just seem pretty poor), like this:I just don't know. After sleeping on this one, as much as I would love to see a race in NY (NJ) in 2 years, I just can't see it happening. Whether it's in the Meadowlands or Liberty State Park
I don't think there's been any actual serious discussion of a Grand Prix in Las Vegas. Ecclestone has been talking about New York for a while now, and I haven't heard him mention Vegas. Certainly not in the way he's mentioned New York.I'm guessing after Vegas officials told Bernie to take a hike he's using the threat of a NY Grand Prix to convince the board at Indy that they're not the only game in town. A plan which I'm sure will back fire anyway.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 13:07
I don't think there's been any actual serious discussion of a Grand Prix in Las Vegas. Ecclestone has been talking about New York for a while now, and I haven't heard him mention Vegas. Certainly not in the way he's mentioned New York.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 13:16
That's kind of what I'm getting at: when Mr. E starts talking about that sort of thing, it means he's making progress. Otherwise, it's all just a dream.He's mentioned Las Vegas many times over the years--much more so than NY. He even talked about Vegas while the race was still at Indy. But granted, specifically mentioning NJ, view of the city and hoping for 2012 is the most specific he's been about either place.
A big bluff to get what? Indianapolis to agree? I'd see your point - if he hadn't lambasted the circuit.While I don't doubt he's pursuing it, I still say the whole thing is a big bluff.
The Rikers Island Grand Prix wasn't exactly serious ...For the record, while I don't think Liberty State Park would be possible for the reason I and others already mentioned, all things considered, it's probably one of the few suitable locations. Some of the ideas being presented are pretty funny. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the Fresh Kills landfill.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 13:31
the Fresh Kills landfill.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 13:31
A big bluff to get what? Indianapolis to agree? I'd see your point - if he hadn't lambasted the circuit.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 13:47
He evidently feels New Jersey is a suitable alternative to Indianapolis. And unlike Silverstone, he was - and has been for some time - very, very critical of Indianapolis.Yeah but he's done this with Silverstone for years and the Grand Prix is still there. And why? Because he can't come to terms with a suitable alternative.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 13:51
Posted 26 March 2010 - 14:31
He evidently feels New Jersey is a suitable alternative to Indianapolis. And unlike Silverstone, he was - and has been for some time - very, very critical of Indianapolis.
Edited by jaisli, 26 March 2010 - 14:33.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 14:47
LA the Prius capital? Adding to the gridlock which is LA in a almost bankrupt state (and city)....exactly who and how would CA (even if it is filled with too many pergressive liberals - read: socialists ) and LA pay Bernie's ransome figures?Berrnie might be right.
Let me out this...
What about Griffith part up LA, next to Hollywood?
Posted 26 March 2010 - 15:01
Salt Lake City is the 48th largest metro area in the United States, after such powerhouse metropolis as Hartford, Jacksonville, Providence and Orlando.
So no, it's not a major metropolis, even if you and the Karl Malone jersey you're obviously wearing think it is.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 15:08
Who's going to build it? the Casino's? not on their life would they build a place that is going to take people away from their money-making machines. Sure they've bought a few golf courses...the key word there is a few. Mostly they just do deals w/the existing local clubs - it's cheaper.don't be dissing on The Mailman!
NO more street circuits!!! Build a suitable road circuit about 10 miles outside Vegas, maybe alongside their NASCAR track.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 15:26
LA the Prius capital? Adding to the gridlock which is LA in a almost bankrupt state (and city)....exactly who and how would CA (even if it is filled with too many pergressive liberals - read: socialists ) and LA pay Bernie's ransome figures?
Sure I think (at least IMO) "California is the place to be" for F1, but now's not the right time. And frankly, it probably never will be again.
Posted 26 March 2010 - 15:39
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 23:03
well, the US is left w/ no alternative but to annex Montreal! Sorry Canada....
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 12:19
If Eau Rogue was in the middle of Valencia rather than Spa, would you say it's worth going to Valencia? Indianapolis is a very, very poor circuit. It might have the banked curve, but it has no character, no identity. I'd rather a calendar that consisted exclusively of Valencia, Bahrain and Shanghai.you can't deny that a super high speed turn with banking adds to the excitement and makes this circuit unique from the rest.
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:29
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:35
you can't deny that a super high speed turn with banking adds to the excitement and makes this circuit unique from the rest.
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:36
So much for the NY Grand Prix. I wonder if it wasn't just a ruse to pressure the IMS that they weren't the only game in town.
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:37
If Eau Rogue was in the middle of Valencia rather than Spa, would you say it's worth going to Valencia? Indianapolis is a very, very poor circuit. It might have the banked curve, but it has no character, no identity. I'd rather a calendar that consisted exclusively of Valencia, Bahrain and Shanghai.
If the United States Grand Prix is half as important as fans make it out to be, then it deserves to be held on a circuit worthy of hosting the race.
Edited by mkay, 23 April 2010 - 13:37.
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:40
The article from the Indy Star does not quote Ecclestone, who is probably the only person in the world who could say with any certainty whether or not Manhattan will be on. In fact, the article only quotes Zak Brown, who is little more than a publicist who seems to represent Indianapolis first, so of course he's going to say that it's on. And the entire article seems to have been written off a press release.So much for the NY Grand Prix. I wonder if it wasn't just a ruse to pressure the IMS that they weren't the only game in town.
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:41
The first corner was the only place it was possible to overtake. Indianapolis was rubbish.You need overtaking chances and nice duels and epic drives. We had that in Indy for several years. The run up to the first corner was always crazy and there were always plenty of overtaking.
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:42
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:43
The first corner was the only place it was possible to overtake. Indianapolis was rubbish.
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:47
I think the that F1 fans in the US think it is important, I would have another race to attend other than Canada, but more importantly the teams like it also.. (at least that's what I've read in the past).If the United States Grand Prix is half as important as fans make it out to be, then it deserves to be held on a circuit worthy of hosting the race.
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:49
????????who is probably the only person in the world who could say with any certainty whether or not Manhattan will be on.
Posted 23 April 2010 - 13:53
Well, it's being pitched as "Manhattan", but Manhattan will only feature in the background. He keeps referring to it as suh. Mr E reckons he's found a site fifteen minutes away from Manhattan Island in New Jersey that could host a race with the New York skyline in the background. I'm betting he's looking at Liberty Park adjacent to Ellis Island, and that he's calling it the "Manhattan Grand Prix" because that sounds better than "New Jersey Grand Prix".????????
Manhattan, no way. there's no room here. maybe in jersey perhaps.. but I doubt it..