Unidentified open-wheelers
#1
Posted 12 May 2010 - 21:30
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#2
Posted 12 May 2010 - 21:45
Can someone help identify these two cars seen at Speed on Tweed?
Would the black car be a Maurer F2, Stefan Bellof ran
#3
Posted 12 May 2010 - 21:47
Can someone help identify these two cars seen at Speed on Tweed?
The black car is Ian Buddery's 1983 Lola T700 Indy car.
The Marlboro liveried car is Chris Farrell's ex-Thierry Boutsen Spirit-Honda 201/5 BMW (European F2).
#4
Posted 12 May 2010 - 21:53
And the Marlboro car is almost certainly a Spirit 201 from 1982 - Louis de Poortiere was a long-time sponsor of Thierry Boutsen (hence the Belgian flag below the roll hoop).
Both F2 cars of course.
#5
Posted 12 May 2010 - 22:01
It does look very much an F2 car and not an Indy Car.
#6
Posted 12 May 2010 - 22:06
http://counter-x.net...llof/1983f2.jpg
The bottom car is a Spirit F2 car
http://www.powrgards...6fe1ff988a1.jpg
This Marlboro bedecked ran with an enclosed 6 cylinder Honda engine so the 4 cylinder in the Marlboro bedecked picture would point to the car in question possibly being an ex Jo Gartner Chassis see :-
http://www.powrgards...370a357cb9d.jpg
This is what a Lola T700 looks like :-)
http://i26.photobuck...offAMI43-83.jpg
Apologies I only have web pics to work with :-)
#7
Posted 12 May 2010 - 22:13
Was there a rather more portly single-seater running Falcadore?
#8
Posted 13 May 2010 - 01:59
I was gonna say, if that's a CART Lola where's the rest of it? The F3000 cars from a couple of years later that used Lola's CART chassis as a base weren't exactly svelte...
Was there a rather more portly single-seater running Falcadore?
Not at Speed on Tweed, but I have seen images of a similarly coloured Indycar running at Phillip Island Historics earlier this year hidden amongst all the gorgeousness of those pre-war Alfa Romeos.
It has been suggested to me that the Spirit, or a another car similarly coloured, might be mocked up from a Ralt RT4. Glad to know this might not actually be the case.
Edited by Falcadore, 13 May 2010 - 02:01.
#9
Posted 13 May 2010 - 02:36
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I would keep an open mind on the 'might' the word 'possible' is used judiciously in these matters with good reason, either way if the Marlboro car is a Spirit it has a bodywork colour / engine combination that was never raced this fact alone should be grounds for copious suspicion :-)
Edited by arttidesco, 13 May 2010 - 02:43.
#10
Posted 13 May 2010 - 03:42
#11
Posted 13 May 2010 - 09:17
Looks like a Tiga S2000 to me. Possibly an SC79 or 80? Marque experts will be more clued up than me.And this .. Possibly a Sports 2000?
#12
Posted 13 May 2010 - 15:14
#13
Posted 13 May 2010 - 16:28
#14
Posted 13 May 2010 - 22:01
http://www.flickr.co...gen/3540986918/
MM 80 Cape Town 1981
http://www.zipp.co.u...jpg.html#scroll
MM80 Sheisley Walsh
http://www.galeriede...urer-bmw-02.jpg
MM81 1981
http://www.galeriede...urer-bmw-01.jpg
MM81 Guerrero
http://farm4.static....cd21ae2.jpg?v=0
MM82 Thruxton Thruxton F2 1982
http://i271.photobuc...1SSIT102-16.jpg
Maurer MM82 - Spare car
International Trophy F2 - Silverstone 20 March 1982 picture by driver 71
http://www.sdsefi.co...es/sept00f2.htm
Restored MM83 note roll hoop mod
http://www.thx.org/B...1_F2_Zolder.htm
MM83 Zolder 1983
I'd say most likely this is a Maurer MM83 certainly seems to be the way the body work is painted but I am still not absolutely convinced by that nose looks a little too rounded.
#15
Posted 14 May 2010 - 02:30
Just adding a whole bunch of racing and sports racing cars of varying ages to my photbucket account, over 100 now and climbing and I've had some difficulty labelling them all. Thanks all for the assists.
#16
Posted 14 May 2010 - 07:18
I am the owners brother.
It is in F2 form complete with BMW M12 & aluminium/carbon tub.
This car has been in Australia since October 2005 but to date this has been it's only outing.
A race debut may come later this year at an Historic race meet.
Chris Farrell is the owner of the red/white Spirit Euro F2 BMW who races quite regularly in Australian historics.
This car is apparently the ex Jo Gartner/ Thierry Boutsen example & a very nice bit of gear.
Hope this clears things up for you guys!
#17
Posted 14 May 2010 - 07:49
The black car at the speed on Tweed seen here IS a Maurer MM83 Euro F2 - chassis No1 based Brisbane Qld.
I am the owners brother.
It is in F2 form complete with BMW M12 & aluminium/carbon tub.
This car has been in Australia since October 2005 but to date this has been it's only outing.
A race debut may come later this year at an Historic race meet.
Chris Farrell is the owner of the red/white Spirit Euro F2 BMW who races quite regularly in Australian historics.
This car is apparently the ex Jo Gartner/ Thierry Boutsen example & a very nice bit of gear.
Hope this clears things up for you guys!
Cool Job done ! :-)
Thanks 'mini73'