Alonso Silverstone 2010 Penalty
#1
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:48
#3
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:50
But the safety car makes it harder too.
#4
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:51
#5
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:52
#6
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:52
#7
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:52
Alonso getting done badly here.
#8
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:52
That was ridiculous.
Now with the goddam safety car its going to put him back to last!
And I'm not even an Alonso fan! I just want to see a good race! The stewards need to keep the hell away for once, not running with their power trip every time they have a sniff of an opportunity to screw someone over.
#9
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:52
#10
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:53
mmm, nono sorry, he does, should have let RK through immediately ... and Ferrari should have told him to
#11
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:53
Now in my mind the fact Fa was ahead is pointless cos he never made the pass.
Secondly had Alonso given the place back straight away he wouldn't be in this position so Alonso is to blame.
#12
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:53
#13
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:53
Alonso shouldve IMMEDIATELY given the position back, as per FIA precedent when they clarified the rule, but didnt. Hence, DT DESERVED!
KARMA IS A BITCH AINT IT FERNANDO?
#14
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:54
#15
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:54
#16
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:54
Need some of your Ferrari fans remember Kimi vs Lewis at Spa? Kimi pushed lewis off and lewis STILL had to give it back.
Now in my mind the fact Fa was ahead is pointless cos he never made the pass.
Secondly had Alonso given the place back straight away he wouldn't be in this position so Alonso is to blame.
100% agree!
#17
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:54
i mean , no harm done ...
#18
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:55
#19
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:55
No. It's a drive-thru or a 20 second penalty post-race. But they can do the penalty in the race because it's not in the last three laps.Agree - far too harsh IMO. There's precedent for a 5s penalty after the race isn't there?
As it is, Ferrari criticized the FIA for stochastic safety car deployment. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Wait until you need a safety car to give a drive-thru, so Alonso has to rejoin behind Yamaslomo...
Exactly the same type of incident when Webber passed Alonso at somewhere (Singapore?) last year. Webber had to give the place back. Had Alonso given an illegally gained place back instantly, he wouldn't have been in the same situation. Perhaps if the FIA had waited 20 laps so that Alonso could get a big gap to the next placed car then it wouldn't have been so bad. However, as Ferrari rightly pointed out last time, these penalties should be implemented as soon as possible. Kudos to the Scuderia for their altruism.
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#20
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:55
Need some of your Ferrari fans remember Kimi vs Lewis at Spa? Kimi pushed lewis off and lewis STILL had to give it back.
Now in my mind the fact Fa was ahead is pointless cos he never made the pass.
Secondly had Alonso given the place back straight away he wouldn't be in this position so Alonso is to blame.
"Pushed" ?
#21
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:55
Edited by The Ragged Edge, 11 July 2010 - 12:56.
#22
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:55
FIA is a circus, no offence to any circus...
#23
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:56
Precedent seems to be Spa 2008 - Lewis couldn't have given the place back even if he wanted to because Kimi was out of the race and was handed a post-race drive-through.
#24
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:56
That he can't serve the penalty because of the safety car, and will be demoted to last, is just fantastic timing. I can already imagine all the crying after the race.
#25
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:56
#26
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:57
mmm, no
So it's OK to cut the track and overtake?
#27
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:57
Post-race is losing 20-25 seconds, count how many positions lost alonso!!!!Overall, this is a shockingly poor decision.
Precedent seems to be Spa 2008 - Lewis couldn't have given the place back even if he wanted to because Kimi was out of the race and was handed a post-race drive-through.
#28
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:57
#29
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:57
So it's OK to cut the track and overtake?
He was forced off the track, he didn't just cut it, there IS a difference.
#30
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:57
BRING BACK MAX MOSLEY
#31
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:57
no sorry, he does, should have let RK through immediately ... and Ferrari should have told him to
Exactly evryone saw he passed of track. He shold of used his head.
#32
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:58
It wa Kubica's fault! The steward was a jokeSo it's OK to cut the track and overtake?
#33
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:58
Happy that you embrace this ever changing rules (or interpretation of rules)No. It's a drive-thru or a 20 second penalty post-race. But they can do the penalty in the race because it's not in the last three laps.
As it is, Ferrari criticized the FIA for stochastic safety car deployment. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Wait until you need a safety car to give a drive-thru, so Alonso has to rejoin behind Yamaslomo...
Exactly the same type of incident when Webber passed Alonso at somewhere (Singapore?) last year. Webber had to give the place back. Had Alonso given an illegally gained place back instantly, he wouldn't have been in the same situation. Perhaps if the FIA had waited 20 laps so that Alonso could get a big gap to the next placed car then it wouldn't have been so bad. However, as Ferrari rightly pointed out last time, these penalties should be implemented as soon as possible. Kudos to the Scuderia for their altruism.
#34
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:58
It was very very harsh, but you cant help but see the funny side to it, More so because of how vocal alonso was about lewis´s penalty not making a difference.
#35
Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:59
"Pushed" ?
Mate, you need to go watch it again then, had Lewis stayed wher he was they both would have crashed Kimi gave him a huge shove off. And to add to that lewis was handed a drive through after the race after Kimi had crashed so paybacks a bitch Ferrari. Its okay when the shoes on someone else's foot isnt it! Justice at last.
#36
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:00
Mate, you need to go watch it again then, had Lewis stayed wher he was they both would have crashed Kimi gave him a huge shove off.
You need to. Stop imagining things.
http://www.autosport...o.php/id/113056
Kimi took the racing line from that point, it was Hamilton trying to barge into imaginary spaces (like Alonso) and got the deserving penalty after an illegal pass (again, like Alonso).
Edited by harrows, 11 July 2010 - 13:03.
#37
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:00
He was forced off the track, he didn't just cut it, there IS a difference.
He was forced off by virtue of choosing to put his car on the outside - what would you expect Kubica to do? The similarities between this and Hamilton/Kimi at Spa are quite striking.
#38
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:01
#39
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:01
kubica forcing Alonso off track? not either. lets see the video again.
however wheel to wheel action between 2 drivers,
often let be in recent times to others,
now gets investigated and penalized with the most possible strength.
adding this to the lack of blue flags at canada,
the joke of a SC incident at Valencia...
something is WRONG with race direction.
this is far far from being a fair application rules
i dont think manipulatin is too strong a word to describe it
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#40
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:01
Other than Hamilton gave up his place to Kimi. Twice.He was forced off by virtue of choosing to put his car on the outside - what would you expect Kubica to do? The similarities between this and Hamilton/Kimi at Spa are quite striking.
#41
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:01
Brilliant - this is going to be well worth watching.
#42
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:01
Precedent seems to be Spa 2008 - Lewis couldn't have given the place back even if he wanted to because Kimi was out of the race and was handed a post-race drive-through.
But Lewis could have stayed far enough behind, not take any advantage from his cutting and not overtake into La Source. Please, could you let this one go finally?
#43
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:02
#44
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:02
I do not support this penalty, but the number of places lost is an unfortunate result of the safety car again. Blame Sauber for that.Post-race is losing 20-25 seconds, count how many positions lost alonso!!!!
#45
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:03
#46
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:04
Ferrari should have instructed Nando to give the spot back, end of drama. They didn't and got a penalty. And for the second race in succession the timing of the penalty, the SC etc shafted them pretty bad. Doesn't change the fact that as per the rules the penalty was deserved.
#47
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:04
#48
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:04
#49
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:04
I do not support this penalty, but the number of places lost is an unfortunate result of the safety car again. Blame Sauber for that.
Besides... didn't Alonso have time to serve his penalty in the lap between the penalty he got and the SC being called?
#50
Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:05
I hope Alonso stays at it and has loads of success but it's a waste of time to watch it any more.