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[RC127]

Taking a leaf out of DanicaFan's playbook here!

Race 15 of 19

Race - Singtel Singapore Grand Prix

Location - Marina Bay Circuit, Singapore

Date - Sunday September 26th

Time & TV Schedule - 12.10pm BBC1 (race start 1.00pm BST / 8pm local Singapore)

Course Type - 5.073 km street circuit

Distance - 61 laps / 309.316 km

Practice Sessions - Friday, Sept. 24th - 11.00AM to 12.30PM BST & 2.30PM to 4.00PM BST (6.00 to 7.30PM & 9.00 to 11.00PM local times)
- Saturday Sept. 25th - 12.00PM to 1.00PM BST (7.00PM to 8.00PM local time)

Qualifying - Saturday, Sept. 25th - 3.000PM - 4.00PM BST (10.00PM to 11.00PM local time) / BBC1, BBC Sport Website, 5 Live

Lap Record - 1:45.599 - K Raikkonen (2008)

2009 Winner - Lewis Hamilton

Edited by RC127, 14 September 2010 - 13:32.

[RC127]

This will be the final race on the current layout, which will be revised / shortened for next year's race

http://en.espnf1.com...story/7657.html

Also, are we going to see rain for the very first time and if so, can the event be run at all (there has been thousands of posts over the past few years debating the glare that rain under the lights would/could bring)?

Weather forecasts for the next 10days http://www.weather.c...tenday/SNXX0006 are predictable in so much as they show "scattered thunderstorms" as the default option. Will be fascinating to see Autosport Live's http://live.autosport.com/ and the BBC's Iain Ferguson's http://www.bbc.co.uk.../ian_fergusson/ take on the weather come Monday.

It is remarkable that no session in either of the two events we have had so far have seen wet track conditions, will 2010 be the year where this changes?

Should be a thrilling weekend, hopefully no refuelling and the generally insane level of competition amongst the front five will make this the best Singapore GP yet!

Edited by RC127, 14 September 2010 - 08:45.

[RC127]

Ancilliary to the race weekend, but there will also be a full-scale F1Rocks concert again this year, featuring

Mariah Carey
Missy Elliott
Adam Lambert
Daughtry

http://www.thef1time...s/display/01724

[MadYarpen]

I think that in case of rain water from under the tyres will be killing the vision more than the rain itself. But we will see, race with changable conditions on this track could really be interesting!

Edited by MadYarpen, 14 September 2010 - 08:48.

[Fastcake]

Well I doubt they would have a race that would be impossible in the rain, Bernie's not going to let a bit of water stop a race going ahead. Still might make a good race if its wet

[MadYarpen]

Maybe Bernie should think about a roof covering the whole track, since we have alread an artificial sun

Edited by MadYarpen, 14 September 2010 - 09:00.

[domhnall]

I quite enjoy this track, however i was hoping the race distance would be shortened as the last two races have been very long. Hope mclaren and ferrari can take the fight to red bull.

[Bloggsworth]

I quite enjoy this track, however i was hoping the race distance would be shortened as the last two races have been very long. Hope mclaren and ferrari can take the fight to red bull.

I think they already have...

[undersquare]

Nice OP

Big question for me is whether the Mac will be less stiffly sprung with its big update.

[teejay]

Sure it will have to be - they know that if its stiff they will get DESTROYED here and in Brazil at the least.

[Dunder]

Red Bull are strong favourites. Downforce levels for this track will be similar (actually slightly higher) to those we saw in Hungary where, in terms of pace, the RB6 was in a class of its own. I am sure that the revised load tests will have had an effect and I am equally sure that both McLaren and Ferrari have been working hard to close the gap but that gap was just too big to begin with. Kubica will be a danger to get in amongst the top 6 here too.

I am looking forward to the race but, as a McLaren fan, it is with hope rather than expectation.

Edited by Dunder, 14 September 2010 - 11:16.

[PNSD]

If rain does come then it should be a thrilling race! If not let's be prepared to see both RBR's run away.

[stevvy1986]

It's coming upto the end of the 'dry monsoon' season, and basically if you have a dry morning, you're guaranteed dry conditions for the rest of the day. That's generally what's happened the last 2 years, some rain overnight, maybe mid morning, but that's it. It's absolutely impossible to predict the weather there in all honesty.

[JPW]

It will be Hungary all over again, Red Bull 1 - 2 maybe Alonso able to throw a spanner in the works.

Mark extending his lead in the WDC and Vettel and Fernando closing in on hammy.

[gaston_foix]

Red Bull are strong favourites. Downforce levels for this track will be similar (actually slightly higher) to those we saw in Hungary where, in terms of pace, the RB6 was in a class of its own. I am sure that the revised load tests will have had an effect and I am equally sure that both McLaren and Ferrari have been working hard to close the gap but that gap was just too big to begin with. Kubica will be a danger to get in amongst the top 6 here too.

I am looking forward to the race but, as a McLaren fan, it is with hope rather than expectation.

Singapore is the closest track to Monaco. No Hungary here. I don't know what McLaren will be but normally RedBull, Ferrari and Renault should be strong and evenly matched. RedBull in front of course

[united2010]

Taking a leaf out of DanicaFan's playbook here!

Race 15 of 19

Race - Singtel Singapore Grand Prix

Location - Marina Bay Circuit, Singapore

Date - Sunday September 26th

Time & TV Schedule - 12.10pm BBC1 (race start 1.00pm BST / 8pm local Singapore)

Course Type - 5.073 km street circuit

Distance - 61 laps / 309.316 km

Practice Sessions - Friday, Sept. 24th -11.00AM to 12.30PM BST & 2.30PM to 4.00PM BST (6.00 to 7.30PM & 9.00 to 11.00PM local times)

Qualifying - Saturday, Sept. 25th - 1.000PM - 2.00PM BST (8.00PM to 9.00PM local time) / BBC1, BBC Sport Website, 5 Live

Lap Record - 1:45.599 - K Raikkonen (2008)

2009 Winner - Lewis Hamilton

Qualifying start at 3pm BST

[Atreiu]

Reb Bull will easily be the fastest, but it won't be by such a crushing and humiliating margin as Hungaroring. Anyhow, any advantage is worth very little if their starts and first laps remain as poor as they have been since then. My money is on Alonso and a surprise Hamilton podium.

Edited by Atreiu, 14 September 2010 - 13:24.

[goingthedistance]

Red Bull are strong favourites. Downforce levels for this track will be similar (actually slightly higher) to those we saw in Hungary where, in terms of pace, the RB6 was in a class of its own. I am sure that the revised load tests will have had an effect and I am equally sure that both McLaren and Ferrari have been working hard to close the gap but that gap was just too big to begin with. Kubica will be a danger to get in amongst the top 6 here too.

I am looking forward to the race but, as a McLaren fan, it is with hope rather than expectation.

Downforce required may be similar, but there is not much else in common between Hungary and Singapore. Hungary is all about the medium speed corners which is where the RB6 is absolute dynamite.

Singapore is all about tight, slow corners and good mechanical grip. It's a track that's extremely tough on the car, particularly the brakes. I see it as having the most in common with Valencia and Monaco. With the rapid improvement of Ferrari and McLaren since then I think this one could actually be line ball between the top three teams. But that will be an improvement for RB as they were a good 0.3-0.4 seconds a lap off Ferrari in Monza and a bit less than that in Spa with McLaren.

I think this one could be between Vettel and Hamilton as they both excel here. Kubica may very well pull a surprise.

[Atreiu]

Singapore is the closest track to Monaco. No Hungary here. I don't know what McLaren will be but normally RedBull, Ferrari and Renault should be strong and evenly matched. RedBull in front of course

I agree, the Hungaroring is more flowing then Monaco or Singapore (which is just a whole bunch of elbows, chincane and 90º corners).
What we don't know is if McLaren can benefit from the plenty of straights (even if they aren't very long) and how the teams will manage their brake wear. It was already marginal in 2009, IIRC, both Brawns and Red Bulls had problems. Webber even crashed out. Now, with a heavier car all the way to the flag, it'll be even harder for everyone.

[RC127]

Nice OP

Big question for me is whether the Mac will be less stiffly sprung with its big update.

Thanks, but I think DanicaFan deserves the credit, as I shamelessly ripped him off!

[krapmeister]

I agree, the Hungaroring is more flowing then Monaco or Singapore (which is just a whole bunch of elbows, chincane and 90º corners).
What we don't know is if McLaren can benefit from the plenty of straights (even if they aren't very long) and how the teams will manage their brake wear. It was already marginal in 2009, IIRC, both Brawns and Red Bulls had problems. Webber even crashed out. Now, with a heavier car all the way to the flag, it'll be even harder for everyone.

And Button at Monza had huge amounts of brake dust coming out from the wheels under braking, as was remarked upon by Brundle. Brake wear is going to be a a concern for everyone...

[RC127]

Qualifying start at 3pm BST

Oops, thanks for that (OP now edited to reflect this and FP3 added)!

[GAZF1nut]

I agree, the Hungaroring is more flowing then Monaco or Singapore (which is just a whole bunch of elbows, chincane and 90º corners).
What we don't know is if McLaren can benefit from the plenty of straights (even if they aren't very long) and how the teams will manage their brake wear. It was already marginal in 2009, IIRC, both Brawns and Red Bulls had problems. Webber even crashed out. Now, with a heavier car all the way to the flag, it'll be even harder for everyone.

While I agree Singapore is very similar to Monaco, how similar is the Valencia track to Singapore? In Valencia, Red Bull didn't dominate and Hamilton really took the fight to them in this race. I just hope it isn't a repeat of Hungary, that was a scary advantage they had.

[undersquare]

Thanks, but I think DanicaFan deserves the credit, as I shamelessly ripped him off!

OK, still, nice to have a thread start with some information about the topic

[Atreiu]

While I agree Singapore is very similar to Monaco, how similar is the Valencia track to Singapore? In Valencia, Red Bull didn't dominate and Hamilton really took the fight to them in this race. I just hope it isn't a repeat of Hungary, that was a scary advantage they had.

I'm not sure how close valencia and Singapore are. They do have lots of slow corners, but Valencia had 4 long full throttle sections and Singapore has only one really long section.

[Seanspeed]

Singapore has more in common with Monaco than any other track.

I think Mclaren might suffer a bit here, with Ferrari able to take the fight to Red Bull and possibly even beat them. The Ferrari is very good under braking, in slow corners, over curbs and on bumpy surfaces. And thats what Singapore is about. Think about Mclaren last year. The car lacked downforce, but it was VERY strong mechanically, and it proved the package to beat. I think we could likely see a similar story here.

I predict Ferrari>>Red Bull>>>>>Mclaren>>Renault.

[skinnyman]

Massa 2008 Pole

[F.M.]

I think they already have...

61 laps, just as last year

[MortenF1]

I actually fully expect Red Bull to have a fight on their hands, first and foremost from McLaren, but Ferrari should be there too.
The MP 4-25 is no fan of bumps but I assume the team has been able to improve that a bit, and they're now much more experienced with the EBD. There have been other updates as well which makes me sure McLaren should be able to be very competitive even on this type of track.

Ferrari were closer to Red Bull than McLaren was, last time we raced on a more "normal" lay-out, but I think we should be back to the picture we had at say, Turkey and Silverstone, pecking order-wise.

I was quite confident on Renault's behalf for both Spa and Monza, but as we all know, Monza was no hit for them. I'm sure they'll be back to having the fourth fastest package convincingly around the Marina Bay Circuit.
I also wonder if Williams will be fifth fastest, hence better than Mercedes and Force India. I think so.

[keeppushingurep1]

Ferrari should be fast slow corners, traction and breaking.

And alo is very fast in singapore, he was also extremely fast this year in monaco, so i d put my money on him

Edited by keeppushingurep1, 14 September 2010 - 16:12.

[Ferrari2183]

Ferrari lockout during quali with Massa having a slight edge over Alonso. Redbulls will be split by Hamilton with Kubica just edging Button.

At the start, any of the first 3 turns, Hamilton and Vettel will have a coming together. One will retire and the other will have to pit for a new front wing, severely compromising his race. I can't decide which is which though... The Ferrari's then scamper off into the distance with Webber not too far behind. The race is going to be a procession unfortunately.

[ForeverF1]

Ferrari lockout during quali with Massa having a slight edge over Alonso. Redbulls will be split by Hamilton with Kubica just edging Button.

At the start, any of the first 3 turns, Hamilton and Vettel will have a coming together. One will retire and the other will have to pit for a new front wing, severely compromising his race. I can't decide which is which though... The Ferrari's then scamper off into the distance with Webber not too far behind. The race is going to be a procession unfortunately.

[Ferrari2183]

I was spot on with Monza.

[Massa]

Massa 2008 Pole

One of the best quali lap of these recent years. He was on his planet, a awesome lap, 6 tenth to hamilton, 8 tenth to raikkonen, 1 second to kovalainen. Alonso was great last year and in 2008 too, i think ferrari can have a double podium, and they will bring a new suspension, new front and rear wings, and a update to their diffuser and floor..

[Baddoer]

I'm predicting:
Red Bull on pole featuring Kubica on front row
One of McL outside top ten
Someone will crash in the race (maybe Di Grassi)

[korzeniow]

One of the best quali lap of these recent years. He was on his planet, a awesome lap, 6 tenth to hamilton, 8 tenth to raikkonen, 1 second to kovalainen. Alonso was great last year and in 2008 too, i think ferrari can have a double podium, and they will bring a new suspension, new front and rear wings, and a update to their diffuser and floor..

You forgot about one but very important factor. Refueling! Massa was the lightest. Raikkonen lost to Massa 0.2s in Q2

[Alfisti]

Hope I am wrong but you would think vettel is a certainty for pole as Mark struggles here.

[Atreiu]

You forgot about one but very important factor. Refueling! Massa was the lightest. Raikkonen lost to Massa 0.2s in Q2

How do you know that if fuel loads weren't anounced and Piquet's race-fixing-spin forced a yellow flag and everyone to pit early?

[Diablobb81]

So, does Massa know turn 17?

[Baddoer]

I hate that track. Just too many corners. Wish they put long staight insted of this idiotic 15-22 turn section.

Edited by Baddoer, 14 September 2010 - 19:57.

[Ferrari2183]

I hate that track. Just too many corners. Wish they put long staight insted of this idiotic 15-22 turn section.

For the F-duct?

I bet you weren't complaining last year.

[Baddoer]

For the F-duct?

I bet you weren't complaining last year.

I don't know. I'm not McLaren fan either.

[korzeniow]

How do you know that if fuel loads weren't anounced and Piquet's race-fixing-spin forced a yellow flag and everyone to pit early?

You can't be serious

[Atreiu]

Let me rephrase, it's easy to assume was was the lightest, I've got no problem with that.
But I don't think the gap he put to everyone else was simply because he was lighter. Ferrari wouldn't have sent him with some 5 or 6 laps less than any other front runner.

[SteF1an]

Looking forward to this GP!

I´m predicting a Red Bull 1 / 2 and Kubica on the podium!

[equinoxuk]

Looking forward to this GP!

I´m predicting a Red Bull 1 / 2 and Kubica on the podium!

I'm really hoping for rain!

Supposedly most of last years bumps are gone too.

[seahawk]

Lewis will win.

[korzeniow]

Lewis will win.

Not a chance. A podium would be a big success for him

[BigWicks]

some good stuff in this thread

just because hungary and singapore are both high downforce tracks doesn't mean the pecking order will be exactly the same. as people have pointed out, singapore has more in common with monaco than hungary. its also got a bit of canada/valencia about it as well. Lots of tight slow corners, not many medium speed corners, am not sure it will play to red bull's strengths as much as everyone assumes.

I think Ferrari will be very fast, so will Red Bull, Mclaren will be close, Kubica will be immense.

[korzeniow]

some good stuff in this thread

just because hungary and singapore are both high downforce tracks doesn't mean the pecking order will be exactly the same. as people have pointed out, singapore has more in common with monaco than hungary. its also got a bit of canada/valencia about it as well. Lots of tight slow corners, not many medium speed corners, am not sure it will play to red bull's strengths as much as everyone assumes.

I think Ferrari will be very fast, so will Red Bull, Mclaren will be close, Kubica will be immense.

Yeah, but we will knew that only after watching the race. Since then logic says that RBR will dominate this GP.