Thanks for the correction and Stutz info, ref the Studebaker I got the President from this page, would I be correct in thinking the #34 is a 250 cui Commander ?
I thought they ran as 336 cui?
I wasn't correcting anything, just adding!
Posted 30 April 2011 - 18:54
Thanks for the correction and Stutz info, ref the Studebaker I got the President from this page, would I be correct in thinking the #34 is a 250 cui Commander ?
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Posted 03 May 2011 - 20:23
I came across this link to Wesley Winterink Photography. Some neat old photos, all from the Speedway.
http://photos.winter....com/p769167246
Posted 07 May 2011 - 07:50
I came across this link to Wesley Winterink Photography. Some neat old photos, all from the Speedway.
http://photos.winter....com/p769167246
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Edited by arttidesco, 10 May 2011 - 14:43.
Posted 10 May 2011 - 19:24
Looks like a John Zink gas turbine car.I had always believed that Jim Clarks Lotus in 1963 was the second rear engine 'funny car' to appear at Indy, however the above photo dated 1962 would suggest otherwise, I can't find any record of the #52 qualifying does anybody know what it is and who is driving it and if the date correct ?
Posted 10 May 2011 - 19:26
Posted 10 May 2011 - 19:46
Hi again,
That'll be the John Zink turbine (an old Lotus?), one of the cars that Dan Gurney drove in 1962. I can't recall if anyone else drove it, as the helmet colour is confusing me if this is Dan?
Posted 10 May 2011 - 19:53
Bill Cheesbourgh (always a good answer when it comes to weird cars!)
Posted 10 May 2011 - 19:56
Posted 10 May 2011 - 20:33
I strongly doubt if it was "an old Lotus" as no Lotus had yet been built for Indy Car racing, the first being the 29 which came the next year. As far as an old 18 or 21 F-1 car, I doubt if a gas turbine could easily be slipped into the engine bay. I strongly suspect tht it was a purpose built chassis for the turbine, although I cannot tell you who built it off hand, but I suspect that there are members on this forum who can and will.That'll be the John Zink turbine (an old Lotus?), one of the cars that Dan Gurney drove in 1962.
Edited by RA Historian, 10 May 2011 - 20:34.
Posted 10 May 2011 - 21:03
If you check out the link in the post immediately above yours, you'll find that they already have. Also, if you check post 94, you will see that 1962 isn't a typo.... although I cannot tell you who built it off hand, but I suspect that there are members on this forum who can and will.
Posted 10 May 2011 - 21:05
Thanks Michael - is that the correct spelling of his surname or just a typoh?
Posted 10 May 2011 - 21:06
I strongly doubt if it was "an old Lotus" as no Lotus had yet been built for Indy Car racing, the first being the 29 which came the next year. As far as an old 18 or 21 F-1 car, I doubt if a gas turbine could easily be slipped into the engine bay. I strongly suspect tht it was a purpose built chassis for the turbine, although I cannot tell you who built it off hand, but I suspect that there are members on this forum who can and will.
Posted 10 May 2011 - 21:17
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Posted 10 May 2011 - 21:43
Ooops. Must use scroll back key...If you check out the link in the post immediately above yours, you'll find that they already have. Also, if you check post 94, you will see that 1962 isn't a typo.
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Posted 11 May 2011 - 14:15
It looks like one of the Mickey Thompson Buick powered cars designed by John Crosthwaite that were first run in 1962 (Dan Gurney finished 20th in one).
Does anybody recognise this non qualifier from 1963, and or know who failed to qualify driving it ?
Thanks in anticipation :-)
Posted 11 May 2011 - 15:31
I agree. Definitely appears to be a '62 Thompson to me.It looks like one of the Mickey Thompson Buick powered cars designed by John Crosthwaite that were first run in 1962 (Dan Gurney finished 20th in one).
Posted 11 May 2011 - 16:45
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Posted 11 May 2011 - 17:26
Thanks for the Thompson chassis type identification, Amphicar, Tom and FB84, does anyone have any idea's who was either scheduled to run or if it ever ran ?
Thanks.
Posted 11 May 2011 - 18:20
Posted 11 May 2011 - 18:26
The best humor is based deeply in truth.Bill Cheesbourg (always a good answer when it comes to weird cars!)
Posted 11 May 2011 - 18:31
I'm beginning to like Bill Cheesbourg, I wonder where I can get some Bill Cheesbourg merchandise ?
Posted 11 May 2011 - 18:41
I used to have a 1:24 model of the Cheez Whiz Special he drove at Milwaukee in '65.
Posted 11 May 2011 - 19:26
I strongly doubt if it was "an old Lotus" as no Lotus had yet been built for Indy Car racing, the first being the 29 which came the next year. As far as an old 18 or 21 F-1 car, I doubt if a gas turbine could easily be slipped into the engine bay. I strongly suspect tht it was a purpose built chassis for the turbine, although I cannot tell you who built it off hand, but I suspect that there are members on this forum who can and will.
Posted 11 May 2011 - 19:32
Any idea where it is now ?
Edited by Flat Black 84, 11 May 2011 - 19:33.
Posted 11 May 2011 - 19:49
You'd probably have to make it yourself, but I'm in for it After Cheesbourg was done with Indy, he raced stock cars (super stocks and late models) until he was about 60. And he was not cruising around either, he won...a lot! Even made the trip from Arizona to Florida to run a "Speedweek" for late models in the late 1980's, when he was about 60 years of age.I'm beginning to like Bill Cheesbourg, I wonder where I can get some Bill Cheesbourg merchandise ?
Posted 11 May 2011 - 21:10
My face is already red in post 121...No typo from me on the Studebaker dates thoug (correct spelling for a Wednesday).
Posted 11 May 2011 - 21:50
The following is a quote from Erik Arneson's "Mickey Thompson: The Fast Life and Tragic Death of a Racing Legend":Thanks for the Thompson chassis type identification, Amphicar, Tom and FB84, does anyone have any idea's who was either scheduled to run or if it ever ran ?
Thanks.
Posted 11 May 2011 - 22:02
Sadly, no mention of Bill Cheesbourg as part of the 1963 driver roster.
Posted 11 May 2011 - 22:19
Odder still - this website shows Bill Cheesbourg as having failed to qualify car #27 but makes no mention of #85 http://racing-refere...anapolis_500/UOOdd as he was the officially entered driver of car number 85. Made quite a spectacular job of destroying the thing in an early practice run too.
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Posted 11 May 2011 - 22:28
Posted 11 May 2011 - 22:47
That sounds plausible - incidentally, did the 1962 Thompson cars that were used in 1963 still have Buick engines or did they use Chevys like the new cars?Maybe it's not listed on the basis that it didn't "fail" to qualify, it had already been wiped out before even getting to attempt qualifying!
Posted 11 May 2011 - 22:50
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Posted 11 May 2011 - 23:04
That's the report I linked to in post 114. It says that the car was designed by (Zink) Chief Mechanic Denny Moore, and was built at Zink's, with suspension parts supplied by Troutman & Barnes. As I understand it, Williams also played some part in the car's design. It's a pity we can't find any of his earlier reports on the project's progress - he must have written a few.EB there is no mention by Boeing man Len Williams in his account of the Zink Trackburner turbine vehicle having a Lotus chassis as an engineer I think he might have mentioned it, he was certainly a car buff, but of course he may not have known it.
Posted 11 May 2011 - 23:21
Posted 12 May 2011 - 00:03
We've been here before, folks:
First Lotus at the Brickyard