Autosport/Team Principal Top Ten Drivers (merged)
#1
Posted 02 December 2010 - 16:36
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#2
Posted 02 December 2010 - 16:42
In a now end-of-season tradition, AUTOSPORT asked each of the current 12 team principals for their top ten driver rankings of the 2010 campaign.
Converted to current points system, the final results are;
1. Alonso 229
2. Vettel 220
3. Hamilton 196
4. Webber 146
5. Kubica 129
6. Button 86
7. Rosberg 68
8. Hulkenberg 17
. Massa 17
10. Barrichello 11
#3
Posted 02 December 2010 - 16:45
Converted to current points system, the final results are;
1. Alonso 229
2. Vettel 220
3. Hamilton 196
4. Webber 146
5. Kubica 129
6. Button 86
7. Rosberg 68
8. Hulkenberg 17
. Massa 17
10. Barrichello 11
I concur.
#4
Posted 02 December 2010 - 16:46
Converted to current points system, the final results are;
1. Alonso 229
2. Vettel 220
3. Hamilton 196
4. Webber 146
5. Kubica 129
6. Button 86
7. Rosberg 68
8. Hulkenberg 17
. Massa 17
10. Barrichello 11
Massa in the top 10?!
#5
Posted 02 December 2010 - 16:47
I concur.
Too skewed towards top teams for my liking.
#6
Posted 02 December 2010 - 16:51
It either displays a remarkable lack of insight considering their position within the sport, or the WDC points have been an excellent gauge of a driver's ability rather than that of his car.Too skewed towards top teams for my liking.
#7
Posted 02 December 2010 - 16:53
Converted to current points system, the final results are;
1. Alonso 229
2. Vettel 220
3. Hamilton 196
4. Webber 146
5. Kubica 129
6. Button 86
7. Rosberg 68
8. Hulkenberg 17
. Massa 17
10. Barrichello 11
Excellent and very realistic IMHO. They SHOULD know, of course.
#8
Posted 02 December 2010 - 16:55
But the numbers above are;AUTOSPORT's exclusive F1 Team Principals' Top Ten was published for the first time in this week's bumper issue of the magazine, which features the F1 Season Review of a memorable campaign
So what were the scores published in the mag? We should be able to see what score they gave...The full results of AUTOSPORT's Team Principals' Top Ten drivers, which includes Ferrari's vote which came too late to be included in this week's AUTOSPORT magazine
#9
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:01
#10
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:03
#11
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:09
Ok, Vettel/Alonso/Hamilton all most likely had the top votes from their team principals, but Kubica would probably have had Renault's vote too.
#12
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:09
#13
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:14
They SHOULD know, of course.
They SHOULD know. Whether they do or not is another matter
#14
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:14
#15
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:14
Oooo - interesting;
But the numbers above are;
So what were the scores published in the mag? We should be able to see what score they gave...
Ferrari's vote, based on comparison of the magazine's list and that of the website:
1. Alonso
2. Vettel
3. Webber
4. Hamilton
5. Massa
6. Kubica
7. ?
8. Button
9. ?
10. Hulkenberg
Of those appearing in the magazine that Ferrari did not vote for, are: Rosberg, Barrichello, Schumacher, Kovalainen.
Of those appearing in the web but not in the magazine, hence voted by Ferrari, is: Massa.
Not clear who their 7th (six points) and 9th (two points) drivers are - as they obviously did not make it into the top 10.
#16
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:17
#17
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:17
Ferrari's vote, based on comparison of the magazine's list and that of the website:
1. Alonso
2. Vettel
3. Webber
4. Hamilton
5. Massa
6. Kubica
7. ?
8. Button
9. ?
10. Hulkenberg
Of those appearing in the magazine that Ferrari did not vote for, are: Rosberg, Barrichello, Schumacher, Kovalainen.
Of those appearing in the web but not in the magazine, hence voted by Ferrari, is: Massa.
Not clear who their 7th (six points) and 9th (two points) drivers are - as they obviously did not make it into the top 10.
Stefano chose this?
The level of intellectual objectivity at Ferrari is even worse than I thought!
#18
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:19
Rosberg only 7th?? And with nearly half the points of Kubica??
Says it all really doesn't it.
#19
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:21
I believe Vettel won't lose sleep over yet another stupid list.
Yeah, what would the team principals know.
Didn't they realise that *insert name of favourite driver* was the best this year? I could see that from my sofa!
Not surprised by the top three. A little surprised to see Webber ranked so far ahead of Button and Rosberg. Also surprised to see Hulkenberg and Massa in the top ten while Kobayashi misses out.
A good insight into the opinions of the people that actually have influence, though.
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#20
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:25
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88556
Schumacher M. not rated among the top ten drivers by the team principals and they should know better then anyone who is best. Who would have thought at the beginning of the season that Schumacher would not even make the top ten? I will take this as iron clad undisputable positive proof that Schumacher is not now and never was better then any current midfielder. It really was the car and team orders and FIA special treatment and custom tailored tires …..all along.
BTW Rosberg netted seventh place so Schumacher M. was crushed completely and totally by the 7th place guy.
I think the old boy should see the writing on the wall, time to go quietly in the offseason just after Christmas when no one is paying attention.
#21
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:26
The list is quite interesting as it offers some perspective on how teams rate drivers. On that basis, while I wouldnt take it to seriously I think its silly to write it off as just another list.
Fans love Kubica but he isnt rated as high by the bosses.
Fans all went for Koba, bosses went for the Hulk.
I for one wouldnt change many things on it. Alonso, as much as I despise the greasy little weasel was the best. Could you imagine the domination if he had been in a Red Bull this year?
Edited by SRi130Brett, 02 December 2010 - 17:30.
#22
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:35
AUTOSPORT's exclusive Team Principals' Top Ten poll
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88556
Schumacher M. not rated among the top ten drivers by the team principals and they should know better then anyone who is best. Who would have thought at the beginning of the season that Schumacher would not even make the top ten? I will take this as iron clad undisputable positive proof that Schumacher is not now and never was better then any current midfielder. It really was the car and team orders and FIA special treatment and custom tailored tires …..all along.
BTW Rosberg netted seventh place so Schumacher M. was crushed completely and totally by the 7th place guy.
I think the old boy should see the writing on the wall, time to go quietly in the offseason just after Christmas when no one is paying attention.
Is that your conclusion, based on a list that, as it's name says, ranks the best drivers of the season?
#23
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:36
Massa wouldnt have been there without Ferrari's insane ranking of 5th.... LOL objectivity in short supply in Maranello on that particular day I guess.
The list is quite interesting as it offers some perspective on how teams rate drivers. On that basis, while I wouldnt take it to seriously I think its silly to write it off as just another list.
Fans love Kubica but he isnt rated as high by the bosses.
Fans all went for Koba, bosses went for the Hulk.
I for one wouldnt change many things on it. Alonso, as much as I despise the greasy little weasel was the best. Could you imagine the domination if he had been in a Red Bull this year?
Are you sure?
#24
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:37
Massa wouldnt have been there without Ferrari's insane ranking of 5th.... LOL objectivity in short supply in Maranello on that particular day I guess.
The list is quite interesting as it offers some perspective on how teams rate drivers.
Fans love Kubica but he isnt rated as high by the bosses.
Fans all went for Koba, bosses went for the Hulk.
You can probably scrub all of the bottom three, because all it would take is for one team principal to over-rate their own drivers and they would get up to 25 points that they probably don't deserve.
By the same measure, any margin of less than 25 points at the top of the table could be skewed by team principals deliberately under-rating rivals.
But it seems that the teams have generally taken the survey in the spirit it was intended. The results are reasonable enough.
#25
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:45
It either displays a remarkable lack of insight considering their position within the sport, or the WDC points have been an excellent gauge of a driver's ability rather than that of his car. [ ]
they should leave ratings to the experts on forums.
#26
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:46
Converted to current points system, the final results are;
1. Alonso 229
2. Vettel 220
3. Hamilton 196
4. Webber 146
5. Kubica 129
6. Button 86
7. Rosberg 68
8. Hulkenberg 17
. Massa 17
10. Barrichello 11
I concour. Does anybody have the ranking from the last few years?
#27
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:47
I would have had Kovalainen in there myself...
#28
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:47
AUTOSPORT's exclusive Team Principals' Top Ten poll
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88556
Schumacher M. not rated among the top ten drivers by the team principals and they should know better then anyone who is best. Who would have thought at the beginning of the season that Schumacher would not even make the top ten? I will take this as iron clad undisputable positive proof that Schumacher is not now and never was better then any current midfielder. It really was the car and team orders and FIA special treatment and custom tailored tires …..all along.
BTW Rosberg netted seventh place so Schumacher M. was crushed completely and totally by the 7th place guy.
I think the old boy should see the writing on the wall, time to go quietly in the offseason just after Christmas when no one is paying attention.
While I whole heartedly agree that Schumachers talent is grossly flattered by the unique 'advantages' he enjoyed in 2000-2004, this isnt proof of that in any way, shape or form.
Its an assesment of the 2010 season, nothing to do with the last 16 years of his F1 career.
Edited by SRi130Brett, 02 December 2010 - 17:47.
#29
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:47
The position of Kubica is the one that interests me most. If we take the list at face value, the TPs collectively seem to rate him lower than the pundits do.
Ok, Vettel/Alonso/Hamilton all most likely had the top votes from their team principals, but Kubica would probably have had Renault's vote too.
Might explain why he's not managed to get himself into one of the top seats...
#30
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:49
Hulkenberg/Massa 8th
Shows that those team bosses are no better than any tv viewer
Edited by Mclaren4ever, 02 December 2010 - 17:50.
#31
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:49
DomenicaliMassa in the top 10?!
#32
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:51
AUTOSPORT's exclusive Team Principals' Top Ten poll
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88556
Schumacher M. not rated among the top ten drivers by the team principals and they should know better then anyone who is best. Who would have thought at the beginning of the season that Schumacher would not even make the top ten? I will take this as iron clad undisputable positive proof that Schumacher is not now and never was better then any current midfielder. It really was the car and team orders and FIA special treatment and custom tailored tires …..all along.
BTW Rosberg netted seventh place so Schumacher M. was crushed completely and totally by the 7th place guy.
I think the old boy should see the writing on the wall, time to go quietly in the offseason just after Christmas when no one is paying attention.
facepalm...
I've never facepalmed someone before... but man, get some objectivity will ya!
#33
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:52
#34
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:53
Hulkenberg ahead of Barrichello
Edited by hotstickyslick, 02 December 2010 - 17:54.
#35
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:55
Converted to current points system, the final results are;
1. Alonso 229
2. Vettel 220
3. Hamilton 196
4. Webber 146
5. Kubica 129
6. Button 86
7. Rosberg 68
8. Hulkenberg 17
. Massa 17
10. Barrichello 11
Seems fair enough with a few exceptions- Rosberg being ranked so low in comparison to Kubica and the inclusion of Massa and Hulkenberg.
#36
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:55
Why? Heikki didn't even outqualify Trulli.Hulkenberg
I would have had Kovalainen in there myself...
#37
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:57
Shows even team principals can lose overall objectivity because of the more recent results or performances.
#38
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:58
How is Alonso the best? He made more mistakes than Hamilton despite being in a faster car...
Hulkenberg ahead of Barrichello
Just human nature- short term memory. Hulkenberg's pole will still be fresh in the minds of many, as would Hamilton's error in Monza whereas Alonso's mistakes were sooo long ago! Still, Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton could be pretty much interchangeable in most people's top 3 of the season.
#39
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:58
Seems fair enough with a few exceptions- Rosberg being ranked so low in comparison to Kubica and the inclusion of Massa and Hulkenberg.
The fact that Mercedes was the faster car overall may have something to do with it.
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#40
Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:58
Why? Heikki didn't even outqualify Trulli.
He outraced him.... Heikki was the Vettel of the new teams championship
#41
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:00
Why? Heikki didn't even outqualify Trulli.
Trulli is a qualifying specialist. Heikki did very well against him compared to most of his otehr teammates in the quali head to head, and was in fact the first of Trulli's teammates to ever outqualify him at Monaco.
#42
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:00
How could you honestly say that. Trulli's car broke down almost constantly and those other cars were crap.He outraced him.... Heikki was the Vettel of the new teams championship
edit: Respect your opinions, my opinion is that Heikki is average at best.
Edited by Watkins74, 02 December 2010 - 18:02.
#43
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:01
Quite sad really. Even at Spa just before Monza Alonso put it into the barriers. No one remembers that.Just human nature- short term memory. Hulkenberg's pole will still be fresh in the minds of many, as would Hamilton's error in Monza whereas Alonso's mistakes were sooo long ago! Still, Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton could be pretty much interchangeable in most people's top 3 of the season.
#44
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:03
The fact that Mercedes was the faster car overall may have something to do with it.
I'd say their relative performance balanced out over the season, with Merc being the better in the first half and the renault being the better in the latter half. Rosberg was no less impressive than Kubica. Nevertheless, the team bosses once voted Fisico the most underrated driver in F1, and he didin't do much with a winning car so we can be safe in the knowledge their views are opinion, not solid fact.
#45
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:04
How could you honestly say that. Trulli's car broke down almost constantly and those other cars were crap.
edit: Respect your opinions, my opinion is that Heikki is average at best.
But on average, marginally better than the slightly more average Trulli.
#46
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:05
Yup. Kubica was beaten by Heidfeld twice while at BMW too. Goes to show how comparing drivers in different cars hardly gives a clear picture.I'd say their relative performance balanced out over the season, with Merc being the better in the first half and the renault being the better in the latter half. Rosberg was no less impressive than Kubica. Nevertheless, the team bosses once voted Fisico the most underrated driver in F1, and he didin't do much with a winning car so we can be safe in the knowledge their views are opinion, not solid fact.
#47
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:08
I'd say their relative performance balanced out over the season, with Merc being the better in the first half and the renault being the better in the latter half. Rosberg was no less impressive than Kubica. Nevertheless, the team bosses once voted Fisico the most underrated driver in F1, and he didin't do much with a winning car so we can be safe in the knowledge their views are opinion, not solid fact.
Of that we can be absoulutely sure. This ranking seems a bit strange overall to me. For example Hulkenberg in front of Barrichello, Massa in the top ten... But it's another thing to talk about during a long winter break.
EDIT:
... Kubica was beaten by Heidfeld twice while at BMW too. ...
Please, don't .
Edited by TURU, 02 December 2010 - 18:10.
#48
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:10
Found Them:I concour. Does anybody have the ranking from the last few years?
2009
1. Sebastian Vettel 76
2. Jenson Button 67
3. Lewis Hamilton 65
4. Fernando Alonso 39
5. Rubens Barrichello 35
6= Kimi Raikkonen 30
6= Mark Webber 30
8. Felipe Massa 19
9. Robert Kubica 10
10. Adrian Sutil 8
2008
1.Hamilton - 88 points
2.Massa - 86 points
3.Alonso - 50 points
3.Kubica - 50 points
5.Vettel - 37 points
6.Raikkonen - 27 points
7.Glock - 17 points
8.Kovalainen - 10 points
9.Heidfeld - 4 points
10.Sutil - 3 points
10.Trulli - 3 points
#49
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:13
Found Them:
2009
1. Sebastian Vettel 76
2. Jenson Button 67
3. Lewis Hamilton 65
4. Fernando Alonso 39
5. Rubens Barrichello 35
6= Kimi Raikkonen 30
6= Mark Webber 30
8. Felipe Massa 19
9. Robert Kubica 10
10. Adrian Sutil 8
2008
1.Hamilton - 88 points
2.Massa - 86 points
3.Alonso - 50 points
3.Kubica - 50 points
5.Vettel - 37 points
6.Raikkonen - 27 points
7.Glock - 17 points
8.Kovalainen - 10 points
9.Heidfeld - 4 points
10.Sutil - 3 points
10.Trulli - 3 points
Funny how the views of the TPs seems to move in line with the relative quality of the cars that each driver has each season... if someone tookl that approach on here, we would think he was a noob who only started watching last year.
#50
Posted 02 December 2010 - 18:18