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[Captain Tightpants]

There's a pretty easy way to get around the problem posed by the entrance to the stadium: build a tunnel. Two of them.

[johnmhinds]

There's a pretty easy way to get around the problem posed by the entrance to the stadium: build a tunnel. Two of them.

Derp. There are 2 tunnels already, they just aren't anywhere big enough to run an F1 race through.

The layout of the track, and its rather bland location is a no go anyway.

[Andrew Hope]

If it was a crazy, dangerous idea to have F1 cars fly through a tunnel and through the stadium at full speed I would be all for it. If, as it seems, it's a crazy, lame idea to have the cars piss around at 2 miles an hour every lap, then I will throw my computer out my window in anger if it does happen. Off the top of my head, I can't imagine a scenario where I would be okay with reducing the natural excitement of a track for the benefit of spectators to see the cars for a little longer.

[Captain Tightpants]

Derp. There are 2 tunnels already, they just aren't anywhere big enough to run an F1 race through.

Then either a) build new ones, or b) expand them.

The layout of the track, and its rather bland location is a no go anyway.

You say that like it's official. What's your source? Or are you just passing off opinion as fact?

[johnmhinds]

Then either a) build new ones, or b) expand them.

What the heck do you think we have we been discussing in the last dozen or so posts...

You say that like it's official. What's your source? Or are you just passing off opinion as fact?

Why are you being so agressive.
Of course it's my opinion, that's the whole point of internet forums......

Anyone with half a brain with looked at the area and the planned route would say it was unsuitable for a high speed racetrack.

You could hold a WRC special stage there maybe, but an F1 race??? They can't be serious...

[Captain Tightpants]

A Formula 1 race would be possible. It just needs some modifications. Like less twisty bits. This is the planned route:



This is a variation on that route that follows the same basic layout, but without the twisty bits:



A few modifications to the roads around Green Point, and it should be just fine.

[johnmhinds]

You can't just punch big holes in the stadium to run the track the way you want.

The whole reason they've routed it through the tiny tunnels and twisty access roads is because they don't want to spend tens of millions redeveloping the stadium itself.

[Captain Tightpants]

You can't just punch big holes in the stadium to run the track the way you want.

So run it through the narrow tunnels. Make it an added challenge for the drivers. If they don't want to spend tens of millions of dollars, they shhouldn't be applying for a race in the first place. Ideally, the circuit would run around the outside of the stadium, using it as one long constant-radius corner. It creates a better circuit and saves on the expense.

[BigCHrome]

It would be much simpler to go around the stadium.

[Captain Tightpants]

Like this, then. Although I reckon this would be pretty good, too.

[PayasYouRace]

... run around the outside of the stadium, using it as one long constant-radius corner. It creates a better circuit and saves on the expense.

Like the old Vancouver layout

[Bleu]

Champcars raced few times in Mexico City going through baseball stadium. But it was much easier to do than this plan.

[highdownforce]

Like this, then. Although I reckon this would be pretty good, too.

Both posted proposals are impracticable, those are impossible ways to run around the stadium.

Look again:



Edit: In red the areas that would require further developments:

Edited by highdownforce, 22 February 2011 - 13:34.

[johnmhinds]

Yeah besides being impossible to run around the the outside of stadium, it isn't really using the stadiums seating to its advantage.

The whole point of the project it to find a new use for the stadium itself.
It just seems the design of the stadium makes this impractical, and this botched twisty proposal they've come up with really is the best they can do.

[Risil]

Maybe Spurs would like to play there...

[Felix]

Yeah besides being impossible to run around the the outside of stadium, it isn't really using the stadiums seating to its advantage.

The whole point of the project it to find a new use for the stadium itself.
It just seems the design of the stadium makes this impractical, and this botched twisty proposal they've come up with really is the best they can do.

Strange that this concept - which not even the local council knew about - was first aired when Melbourne, which fears CT as a competitive tourist/sport destination, started jibbing about paying Bernie's fees. Then Melbourne went quiet until last week after Walker poured oil on the waters; so did this project. Then the local MP in Albert Park gets uppity, so this is news again. CT is getting wanked, and sadly does not even realise it.

[DrF]

Hahaha, and good luck with getting it to work in the cape. You know why it's called the mother city? Because everything takes 9 months to happen. Nice mountains though.

Can you imagine a GP in Slaapstad? They would have sort of, you know like thought about starting thinking about a place to have the race about 9 months after the race was scheduled to be run.

Not to mention racing when the South Easter is raging, those cars would be blown off the road.

Have it in JHB, Durban, Kraaifontein, PE, ANYWHERE but slaapstad.

Edited by DrF, 22 February 2011 - 19:02.

[Gyan]

I'd have loved a race to happen in Durban, so that the cars would race under This arch.

[Captain Tightpants]

Okay, assuming for the moment that there are no constraints, no limitations and nothing is considered impractical - basically, carte blanche - then this is what I think would be the ultimate circuit. Not just for Green Point, but pretty much forever:



Yes, there are problems. Some areas would need serious redevelopment, there's the stadium thing, and it weighs in at 9.5km. But like I said, we're assuming that these are not going to be problems, and that this is perfectly feasible. If we could build this from scratch on a completely empty piece of land - like they're doing with Austin - and maybe scale it down to be the same length as Spa, then I think it would be absolutely perfect. So forget that it's supposed to be anywhere, and look at it like this (please forgive the crude MS Paint job - it's all I have; I'd draw it in Google SketchUp, but I'm a horrible artist):



I have come up with dozens of circuits in the past, but I think this is the best I've ever made. I reckon it would be very fast, absolute hell on tyres, and with plenty of overtaking opportunities that don't seem forced (though I'm afraid that might be lost if it were scaled down).

[BigCHrome]

If they WANT to run through the stadium I hope its only 1 chicane. It would allow the spectators to see the cars braking and accelerating as well. Those Indy-esque hairpins are just terrible.

[Frans]

maybe someone should try this and drive the damn track virtually....

[Villes Gilleneuve]

Yeah besides being impossible to run around the the outside of stadium, it isn't really using the stadiums seating to its advantage.

The whole point of the project it to find a new use for the stadium itself.
It just seems the design of the stadium makes this impractical, and this botched twisty proposal they've come up with really is the best they can do.

Reminds me of Monaco. Maybe if enough douchebags park yachts in the harbor, it will be a go.

[Villes Gilleneuve]

maybe someone should try this and drive the damn track virtually....

that is actually cool.

[Captain Tightpants]

maybe someone should try this and drive the damn track virtually....

Hometown GP is pretty cool, but you can only use existing roads. You can't make custom sections (unless it's a straight line to make the circuit complete). It also randomly generates elevations, so it's not truly representative of the area you build a circuit on. And it keeps making my laptop overheat and shut down.

[Gilles4Ever]

South Africa could return to the Formula 1 calendar "within two years" as Bernie Ecclestone hints that a Cape Town GP is "weeks away" from getting the green light... at least from him.

http://www.wheels24....-speed-20110705

[highdownforce]

Wheels24 has driven the proposed layout and says that it was nearly impratical, and made the proposal below:


Track layout would be altered in order to not going inside the stadium anymore and the Bay Road part scraped.

There is also a video about it: http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

[ZuTiMa]

I dont know if this link has been posted before but it gives you a good idea of what the track could be like..

Cape Town GP

[highdownforce]

It's the one I've posted above.

[MonzaF1]

For current international diplomatic and political reasons I am against it.

Kyalami is dead and buried and so is the once great South African Grand Prix.