17347 replies to this topic

[primer]

Heres to the next 650 pages of speculation and uniformed aerodynamic analysis!!

[john_smith]

as a mclaren fan, i think it's great the team are trying innovative designs. no one derides red bull or adrian newey for revisiting the exhaust blown diffuser, and i don't think fans should be criticising mclaren for going down new development paths - even if it doesn't work.

but one major concern i have is that news like this is leaking out so early. if we are hearing this from a public online forum, think about how much information the designers and engineers of our rivals are getting.

[undersquare]

as a mclaren fan, i think it's great the team are trying innovative designs. no one derides red bull or adrian newey for revisiting the exhaust blown diffuser, and i don't think fans should be criticising mclaren for going down new development paths - even if it doesn't work.

but one major concern i have is that news like this is leaking out so early. if we are hearing this from a public online forum, think about how much information the designers and engineers of our rivals are getting.

It's a cunning plan mate

Meanwhile I just want some more RAKE please. The ~27 to be a nice tight-assed wedge in a herd of mooses .

[ArtShelley]

It's a cunning plan mate ;)

Meanwhile I just want some more RAKE please. The ~27 to be a nice tight-assed wedge in a herd of mooses .

EBD won't be allowed next year. Doesn't the rake work in conjunction with that?

[AirWebber]

Behold my paint skills.



Antimoose, something like villain

What

The Vader Empire seaching inspiration in Battlestar Galactica...

[Kimiraikkonen]

Wellcome "the 27" alias kill RB8.come on guys good luck!

[Amphicar]

This is seriously impressive: three pages and 100+ posts six months before the car is even unveiled!

[One]

Something like this?
The sidepods gets lower but wider behind the 'wings' in front of jet style intake.

[One]

TO have wings near air intake that 'pushes air into the sidepod, and at th same time acting as side impact safe system...
Or like this?

[purplejohn]

TO have wings near air intake that 'pushes air into the sidepod, and at th same time acting as side impact safe system...
Or like this?

i think if its going to have wings they will stretch further down towards the back of the car

[One]

i think if its going to have wings they will stretch further down towards the back of the car

Your opinion on my sketch could be an exciting improvement in itself.
What I do think is that this construction is legal and effective in increasing the down force significantly.

[purplejohn]

If McLaren can make this concept legal it could be crazy fast, how many days until 2012 season? haha

[slmk]

If McLaren can make this concept legal it could be crazy fast, how many days until 2012 season? haha

But every team would then copy it pretty easily.

[One]

But every team would then copy it pretty easily.

Not really because the other team must start from producing an working version of an efficient side pod cooling system. Mclaren now knows how it is for 2011 an how it should be in various directions, I might assume.
To start this business from scratch is an awful lot of work to proceed from this point on wards. If there is one team, this team will not beat Mclaren at least, at least in cooling and sidepod design.

[NoDivergence]

But every team would then copy it pretty easily.

They'd have to have a U pod design for the chassis first XD

[Clatter]

Not really because the other team must start from producing an working version of an efficient side pod cooling system. Mclaren now knows how it is for 2011 an how it should be in various directions, I might assume.
To start this business from scratch is an awful lot of work to proceed from this point on wards. If there is one team, this team will not beat Mclaren at least, at least in cooling and sidepod design.

The other teams have had all season to evaluate and design their own concept if they want to go that route. Before the first test Mac hadn't tried theirs on track and that will be the same now for the others.

[bogi]

#socialfriday @PaulKirton asks: "Will the team be developing this chassis? Will the sidepods stay?"

-The regs for next year are fairly static, so the MP4-27 will develop all the strengths of this year's MP4-26, yes.

[bogi]

Btw, FifthDriver removed this tweet.

[LiJu914]

Behold my paint skills.



Antimoose, something like villain

Hmm, i guess that won´t happen unless the whole design department becomes obsessed with tetris....

Edited by LiJu914, 15 October 2011 - 21:40.

[BigCHrome]

#socialfriday @PaulKirton asks: "Will the team be developing this chassis? Will the sidepods stay?"

-The regs for next year are fairly static, so the MP4-27 will develop all the strengths of this year's MP4-26, yes.

That doesn't actually tell us anything. Only that it will develop on the strenghts of the car. We don't actually know if the U-sidepods and raised rear bodywork is a strenght.

[purplejohn]

That doesn't actually tell us anything. Only that it will develop on the strenghts of the car. We don't actually know if the U-sidepods and raised rear bodywork is a strenght.

I heard during the bbc coverage that the mercedes were planning to run periscope exhausts at the young driver test, surely it would be worth McLaren trying this with gary at the wheel and not a young driver?

[Fastcake]

I heard during the bbc coverage that the mercedes were planning to run periscope exhausts at the young driver test, surely it would be worth McLaren trying this with gary at the wheel and not a young driver?

They certainly will be testing some new parts with Paffet, whether or not they have a new exhaust to test we'll need to wait and see. Hopefully a much better test season this time

[purplejohn]

They certainly will be testing some new parts with Paffet, whether or not they have a new exhaust to test we'll need to wait and see. Hopefully a much better test season this time

I'm looking forward to some photos!!!

[olliek88]

Just been reading that next years car won't be the MP4-27 but the MP4-27A.

Adventurous.

[purplejohn]

Just been reading that next years car won't be the MP4-27 but the MP4-27A.

Adventurous.

links?

[DinocoBlue]

Just been reading that next years car won't be the MP4-27 but the MP4-27A.

Adventurous.

Any explanation why? Will we get a B and C throughout '12?

[olliek88]

https://twitter.com/...826641275027457

Seen it mentioned in some other articles too.

[purplejohn]

https://twitter.com/...826641275027457

Seen it mentioned in some other articles too.

Interesting so they've already ditched the 27 chassis maybe because of the lack of EDB next year

[Fastcake]

Any explanation why? Will we get a B and C throughout '12?

Just standard practice for the first design no? Fairly certain this year's was the MP4-26A, even if they didn't/couldn't make chassis updates.

Isn't the chassis homologation rule gone now too?

Edited by Fastcake, 16 November 2011 - 21:33.

[femi]

I think Mclaren have again been caught on the back foot by the recent clarification of the EBD ban on next year's cars.
I don't expect to see the MP4-27 competing for wins at the begining of next season.

Edited by femi, 17 November 2011 - 05:40.

[purplejohn]

I do, they must have had a plan in place from silverstone, they have the resources to have to programmes going and in a lot of ways id imagine the designs were intertwined I think next years battles will be a lot closer 2012 could be vintage

[Owen]

Just been reading that next years car won't be the MP4-27 but the MP4-27A.

Adventurous.

Standard designation for every year. Nothing to see here.

[bogi]

It's already started

[Anonymous]

Just standard practice for the first design no? Fairly certain this year's was the MP4-26A

Yes it was, since day one. MP4-26A. Nothing new here ...

http://www.motorspor...n-center-stage/

Edited by Anonymous, 16 November 2011 - 22:07.

[purplejohn]

Cant wait for the launch! end of Jan early Feb?

[Enkei]

I think Mclaren have again been caught on the back foot by the recent clarification of the EBD ban on next year's cars.
I don't expect to see the MP4-27 to be competing for wins at the begining of next season.

Paranoia from the word go. Love it

[purplejohn]

Cant be a Mclaren fan without having something to worry about

[rabbitleader]

The large drop in performance relative to the other teams at Silverstone with the removal of the engine blowing is a worry.

I would be very interested to know their strategy to tackle this issue for next year sto avoid playing catch up with performance. Perhaps the team is confident that it will be a return to the good old days pre EBD and engine blowing and so is not such a big issue to focus on as some would suggest??

Edited by rabbitleader, 16 November 2011 - 22:54.

[Anonymous]

The large drop in performance relative to the other teams at Silverstone with the removal of the engine blowing is a worry.

Silverstone 2011 is a good example of what we could expect from the MP4-27.

It really isnt.

[BernieEc]

Apparently there is a guy I follow on twitter @TruzoneF1 who tweeted some time ago that Mclaren was designing a radical car for 2012 but they also had a plan B as well in the event the radical solution came up with problems.

could be the reason it was named the MP4-27A....although this is just speculation and twitter is no "fact site"

[BigCHrome]

Apparently there is a guy I follow on twitter @TruzoneF1 who tweeted some time ago that Mclaren was designing a radical car for 2012 but they also had a plan B as well in the event the radical solution came up with problems.

could be the reason it was named the MP4-27A....although this is just speculation and twitter is no "fact site"

They can't do that with the RRA in place.

[femi]

Paranoia from the word go. Love it

Paranoia? me? not at all.
MW didn't sound very happy with the regulation clarification. He was moaning about expensive efforts that had to be abandoned. Teams that had been so caught out will not have their cars ready by testing next year at least.

Edited by femi, 17 November 2011 - 05:36.

[loki0420]

Paranoia? me? not at all.
MW didn't sound very happy with the regulation clarification. He was moaning about expensive efforts that had to be abandoned. Teams that had been so caught out will not have their cars ready by testing next year at least.

Are you the same person who said in 09 winter that McLaren had it all under control?

If he is pissed about late rule changes it is absolutely understandable, who wouldn't if you spend money on something that is ditched at last moment? and he wasn't moaning in this exact meaning - he was just upset and didn't seem like it's the end of the world for McLaren.

btw Red Bull were equally "moaning", do you consider they wouldn't be ready also ?

[Clatter]

The large drop in performance relative to the other teams at Silverstone with the removal of the engine blowing is a worry.

I would be very interested to know their strategy to tackle this issue for next year sto avoid playing catch up with performance. Perhaps the team is confident that it will be a return to the good old days pre EBD and engine blowing and so is not such a big issue to focus on as some would suggest??

Don't see why you should be overly concerned about it. The removal hurt because the car was designed around the EBD and therefore heavily reliant on it. As next years car will be designed without the EBD I have no worries.

[Clatter]

Apparently there is a guy I follow on twitter @TruzoneF1 who tweeted some time ago that Mclaren was designing a radical car for 2012 but they also had a plan B as well in the event the radical solution came up with problems.

could be the reason it was named the MP4-27A....although this is just speculation and twitter is no "fact site"

No it couldn't.

[hunnylander]

I remember I've seen photos of it, there's a plaquette inside the cockpit. There's "MP4-26A" written on it (plus the chassis number and some other things), that's the full designation of the current design which is racing.

Calling the new car MP4-27A doesn't mean they know it's a dog and are already planning to make a 27B. It's the standard designation since ages.


I can't find the image, but you may read or remember the official McLaren testing/practice/GP reports. What's written in it as the names of the cars?

At the last GP it was MP4-26A-03 for Lewis and MP4-26A-04 for Jenson:

http://www.mclaren.c...od-for-the-soul

Edited by hunnylander, 17 November 2011 - 10:01.

[the9th]

I call it "the B". MP4-27B

For its evolutionary organic "B" shape (vaguely reminiscent of an ear or nostril) and because it's designed to make Button look good.
PM me Martin and I'll give you all the details.

[Amphicar]

I call it "the B". MP4-27B

For its evolutionary organic "B" shape (vaguely reminiscent of an ear or nostril) and because it's designed to make Button look good.
PM me Martin and I'll give you all the details.

Hopefully not a pig's ear!

[the9th]

Hopefully not a pig's ear!

Fear not dear McFans. It flows beautifully.
Actually, I think it's an obvious solution. Look at them STR's sidepods.

[Owen]

Fear not dear McFans. It flows beautifully.
Actually, I think it's an obvious solution. Look at them STR's sidepods.

Isn't it just the 'A' spec after the side impact tests?