2190 replies to this topic

[cravenciak]

It's killing me... I sent him an email with explanation.

[MaGiK]

Lets not jump into conclusions untill they drive on dry.
Impressive drive anyway lol

[ArnageWRC]

I’m not sure why they’re shocked - the bloke is massively quick. The only driver Alonso/ Hamilton truly feared, if that doesn’t tell you anything, I don’t know what does. Yes, he’s inexperienced in a Rally car, and there is the pace notes which is what normally causes problems for circuit racers.

[noikeee]

Anyone having luck with the live timing, because I can't reach it neither through the FIA ERC website or the Rally Canarias website?

[cravenciak]

SS3 (I'm not sure but big part of this stage was dry)

1. Kubica 8:50.5
2. Kopecky 8:51.3

Edited by cravenciak, 22 March 2013 - 09:30.

[Krr]

Here you go:

http://www.irallyliv...e.htm?re
http://rally-base.co...2013/?ssId=1555

[thuGG]

This works pretty good: http://rally-base.co...2013/?ssId=1555

[noikeee]

Tks, works pretty well, and Kubica's times so far are hugely impressive. Let's hope he can keep it on the road.

[DrProzac]

Well done Robert. Just remember that there are still 11 stages to go:)

[kosmic33]

Tks, works pretty well, and Kubica's times so far are hugely impressive. Let's hope he can keep it on the road.

Brilliant do far.
Just brilliant!!!

[Sarhan]

Kubica's overall lead after ss3 38,4sec

Im expecting the margins wont be that huge in the dry

Edited by Sarhan, 22 March 2013 - 10:00.

[Sukhoi]

What's the difference between RRC and S2000 car?..

and why it's listed as Citroen DS3 S2000 on live timing, while it should be listed as Citroën DS3 RRC ?

(Or i got it all completly wrong !? :0)

Edited by Sukhoi, 22 March 2013 - 11:50.

[skywing]

What's the difference between RRC and S2000 car?..

and why it's listed as Citroen DS3 S2000 on live timing, while it should be listed as Citroën DS3 RRC ?

(Or i got it all completly wrong !? :0)

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 1h
Info from anonymous WRC driver! "torque = drivability ... when conditions difficult turbo car is way better. SS1&2 wet... SS3 dry"

[MadYarpen]

tyre lottery continues.

[GodHimself]

What's the difference between RRC and S2000 car?..

S2000 cars have more power, higher top speed etc. RRC on the other hand have more torque (less power) and are better on the twisty bits. All things considered they have different characteristics, but at the end of the day the difference is marginal.

[cravenciak]

Especially when we talk about factory cars like Kopecky's Skoda and Robert's Citroen. Both great rally cars!

Edited by cravenciak, 22 March 2013 - 12:01.

[Sukhoi]

Thanks Alot for clarifying !.. back to the bit about live timing names.. from replies I assume Robert DS3 isn't really a S2000 car? and it's just a mistake huh?

this one to be exact: http://rally-base.co...2013/?ssId=1555

Edited by Sukhoi, 22 March 2013 - 12:04.

[cravenciak]

Nope, it's not Monzon's Mini isn't S2000 either

[EightGear]

RRC's are essentially WRC cars but with a different restrictor and fewer aerodynamics. In the end RRC's and S2000 should be about the same pace, but the biggest advantage the RRC's have is the 1.6 turbo engine (vs. 2 litre NA in S2000), especially on the uphill parts and in wet weather.

But I'm really impressed with Kubica...

Edited by EightGear, 22 March 2013 - 12:08.

[GodHimself]

Yeah, that's a mistake. Just to update on tyre/weather situation: it's wet-damp with rain going on and off. Kopecky on inters, Breen on slicks, Robert with slicks on the front and inters on the back (he waited till the last minute to see what others were doing).

Edited by GodHimself, 22 March 2013 - 12:12.

[noikeee]

I've seen the RRCs referred to as S2000s in a few places. It's not correct but they seem to be lumped in together for the sake of simplicity, since the car classes are well matched hence almost equivalent.

[EightGear]

From next year on it will be much more simple with the R5 cars.

[MaGiK]

Slicks on front and inters in rear.
Seems to be very understeery choice.

[DrProzac]

So Robert gambling with the tires..

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 1h
Info from anonymous WRC driver! "torque = drivability ... when conditions difficult turbo car is way better. SS1&2 wet... SS3 dry"

Interesting, I'd think that it's difficult to use all the torque on a slippery road (though having a better torque/power curve would help).

Especially when we talk about factory cars like Kopecky's Skoda and Robert's Citroen. Both great rally cars!

The Citroen wasn't driven much compared to the Skoda, wasn't it.

Edited by DrProzac, 22 March 2013 - 12:27.

[cravenciak]

Kubica 5 sec faster than Breen...

[MaGiK]

And complaining about wrong tyre choice lol

[weareracing]

Lead over Kopecky increased to 45.5 seconds after stage 4, Robert saying that the tyre choice for this stage was not the best.

[motoman2100]

Kubica 5 sec faster than Breen...

Its been a while since I have had the opportunity to hear him complain about his tires

very exciting stuff i really hope he keeps it on the road

[Sukhoi]

http://www.rallyradi...RRPOPPLAY2.html


brilliant !


Nice try Karol !

Edited by Sukhoi, 22 March 2013 - 12:59.

[MaGiK]

And another stage win with 8 seconds advantage over Jan

[Sarhan]

another stage won by RK

[cravenciak]

SS5:
1. Kubica 13:29.9
2. Breen +8.1s
3. Kopecky +12.2s

Overall:
1. Kubica 00:53:22.4
2. Kopecky +57.7
3. Breen +68.0s

[wolviex]

http://www.rallyradi...RRPOPPLAY2.html


brilliant !


Nice try Karol !

What was it? It is live so it all but gone....

[GodHimself]

Well, some fans were trying to teach the guys pronounce Robert's surname during live show.
And they seem to have succeeded.

[EightGear]

And another stage win with 8 seconds advantage over Jan

Craig, not Jan.

[MaGiK]

I stand corrected.
Anyway...unexpected performance by Rob.

[DrProzac]

Interview:
http://www.fiaerc.co...s/detail/id/390

[wolviex]

Interview:
http://www.fiaerc.co...s/detail/id/390

OK, what we can learn from his interview is that his time and great pace is nothing but pure luck of the beginner, lol.

[EightGear]

[cravenciak]

Another stage for Robert! 5s faster than Kopecky

[weareracing]

Brilliant performance so far by Robert, his lead over Jan Kopecky is now over a minute after stage 6

[cravenciak]

Robert's onboard from SS1 http://www.fiaerc.co...llery/list/id/3

[weareracing]

Awesome bit of onboard, really pushing in difficult conditions.

Edited by weareracing, 22 March 2013 - 14:31.

[seahawk]

Any onboard from Stage 9/12 would be highly appreciated, once they have been run.

[kosmic33]

So Robert gambling with the tires..


Interesting, I'd think that it's difficult to use all the torque on a slippery road (though having a better torque/power curve would help).


The Citroen wasn't driven much compared to the Skoda, wasn't it.

The n/a s2000s have light switch power delivery - it's not really possible to feed the throttle. This makes them very snappy & causes them to break traction often in the wet
The turbo cars have a more progressive power delivery, especially in the initial acceleration phase helping them get the initial bite when the accelerator is pressed.
The ds3 may not have done many events in the rrc guise but the car it's based on has won the last 2 world rally championships so it as least as good as any other car eligible for the erc.

That said, rob is flying and leading the event because of talent, not his machinery

[MaGiK]

Yeah, Robert himself said that RRC gives him advantage on exits from slow corners. But he believes S2000 might make it up on fast twisty sections.
Anyway his speed is suprising. I know its partially down to conditions but that for me even more impressive that despite poor experience he menages to do well in tricky conditions.
Aspecially since hes claiming that hes taking it easy
Also kudos for Jan Kopecky who actually gave to Robert his onoard videos to help him prepare to the rally.

[DrProzac]

TBH I wasn't expecting Robert to gain such a big lead, and straight away.

And I guess the Italian drivers whom Robert competed against weren't as bad as some said they were.

Nice Kopecky. Though not very surprising, Robert and Jan are friends and Robert's RBR online rallying nick was actually "Kopecky FAN"

The n/a s2000s have light switch power delivery - it's not really possible to feed the throttle. This makes them very snappy & causes them to break traction often in the wet
The turbo cars have a more progressive power delivery, especially in the initial acceleration phase helping them get the initial bite when the accelerator is pressed.

I know, that's why I wrote about torque curve (not torque value) I guess that's what they've meant.

Edited by DrProzac, 22 March 2013 - 17:14.

[Myrvold]

I guess his lead would've been smaller with a S2000 car. And that's it. He is impressing me.

[Muppetmad]

Kopecky claims he had a huge moment at the end of SS7, luckily survived unscathed (interview on the radio).

Robert's looking supremely good at the moment. Let's hope he can keep it together for the victory.

Edit: Radio guy just screamed "It's Kubica!!!". I almost had a heart attack. He was 1.1 faster than Kopecky.

Edited by Muppetmad, 22 March 2013 - 17:49.

[GodHimself]

I must say, I'm really not impressed by Craig Breens's attitude. He comes across as a very bad looser. Someone has just had a reality check perhaps.