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[Watkins74]

He's acting like a right diva sometimes.

[weareracing]

The E21 was kind to the tyres in Melbourne, but Sepang is another test altogether.
Even so I expect the car to be ONE of the kindest to the tyres even in the heat and on a very abrasive track surface.
Plenty of marbles at Sepang every year with Pirelli, only a wet race can change this.
If the race stays dry, then I expect BOTH cars to make up places in the early stops, the Red Bulls, McLarens and to a lesser extent Mercedes, will all be worried about the prospect of racing on a dry track.
Only Force India will want the same as Lotus.

[Topsu]

Kimi was diagnosed in his childhood to be a bit socially restricted. According to his doctor he displayed extraordinary intelligence and talent which he believed was the cause of Kimi not wanting to speak too much to unknown people. I read this on a Finnish paper not too long ago. Maybe it's something like Asperger's syndrome, which is pretty common in Finland at least, or something similar, I don't know. He is what he is, he will never change.

[ZZei]

Pathetic from BBC. "The driver doesnt act according to our principles. Lets make a video where he doesnt sign autographs and add a booing voice behind. That'll teach him"

[Skinnyguy]

True but did Kimi actually block Rosberg or get in his way? I didn't see that on that video.

Of course he did. Rosberg came into a one line high speed corner with two guys side by side in front of him. He had to slow down to get out of the situation with safety margin. In the tricky right hander next Kimi wasn´t helping too much either, he was very close in front of Rosberg and started going fast instead of yielding. Sure, Rosberg got a tow down the next straight, but he lost much more in the previous two corners having to hesitate.

[ZZei]

Of course he did. Rosberg came into a one line high speed corner with two guys side by side in front of him. He had to slow down to get out of the situation with safety margin. In the tricky right hander next Kimi wasn´t helping too much either, he was very close in front of Rosberg and started going fast instead of yielding. Sure, Rosberg got a tow down the next straight, but he lost much more in the previous two corners having to hesitate.

There was pretty much nowhere to go at that point for raikkonen expect off track to the grass. Should a driver do that just to avoid a blocking penalty? The whole situation could have been avoided by raikkonen and sutil not fighting against each other. What I wonder though is how come sutil wasnt even asked to the stewards meeting. After all he was in the incident as much as raikkonen. And yes, I want sutil to get a penalty too so raikkonen could start 9th

[TailG]

Kimi was diagnosed in his childhood to be a bit socially restricted. According to his doctor he displayed extraordinary intelligence and talent which he believed was the cause of Kimi not wanting to speak too much to unknown people. I read this on a Finnish paper not too long ago. Maybe it's something like Asperger's syndrome, which is pretty common in Finland at least, or something similar, I don't know. He is what he is, he will never change.

Everybody, please disregard this post. Total fiction.

[Lan]

I really don't get some people...

about the interview:
Do you think that Kimi (or any driver) is obliged to talk to every reporter, spent his time with them, be nice to them and play along their games?
I mean seriousy, the guy won WDC, he is one of the best drivers... reporters should be happy, and show some respect, rather than just expect drivers to play along their games and make a show for them. And now "omg how mean he is".. he just pointed out that he won't do any bull**** and if she doesn't like it then why waste their's time.

the penalty:
On the other hand there are people who just refuse to believe Kimi could actually make a mistake. From the video it's plenty obvious that he 'impeded' Rosberg. He shouldn't have fought Sutil while a car behind was on a flyer, well in the conditions he probably simply couldn't see him, but oh well such things happen from time to time.

Anyway I hope for dry race, and hopefully both Kimi and Romain will make some positions at the start. With tyre-wear unknow everything is possible

[Skinnyguy]

There was pretty much nowhere to go at that point for raikkonen expect off track to the grass.

Options:

1) Trundle around staying glued to the inside line on the tricky braking zone.
2) Go to the tarmac runnoff exiting the quick left hander.
3) Stay coasting on the left edge after the braking zone ends.

[eronrules]

I really don't get some people...

the penalty:
On the other hand there are people who just refuse to believe Kimi could actually make a mistake. From the video it's plenty obvious that he 'impeded' Rosberg. He shouldn't have fought Sutil while a car behind was on a flyer, well in the conditions he probably simply couldn't see him, but oh well such things happen from time to time.

Anyway I hope for dry race, and hopefully both Kimi and Romain will make some positions at the start. With tyre-wear unknow everything is possible

nobody is refusing anything, the incident occured at turn 13-14 complex, it's very difficult to move out of the way cause the cars are always turning, besides, there are several lines to choose from. the main issue here is the reason for kimi's being slow in the first place. sutil slowed down and kimi had to pass him, thus rosberg caught up to them.

so if kimi was penalised, why not sutil??? he too impeded rosberg. that's the gripe here. then again in kimi's words ...

It’s a shame to lose the three places but it is what it is

[Topsu]

Everybody, please disregard this post. Total fiction.

It is not. I can't give you the source right now, but it was in a Finnish paper. The same article also explained Kimi's "weird" voice, he was struck in his throat by a handle bar when he was a kid. I don't remember where I read it, but it's not fiction. The Asperger part was my speculation, but a doctor did give his opinion on Kimi's high intelligence and social ability.

[eronrules]

Options:

1) Trundle around staying glued to the inside line on the tricky braking zone.
2) Go to the tarmac runnoff exiting the quick left hander.
3) Stay coasting on the left edge after the braking zone ends.

Alonso, is that you????

Edited by eronrules, 23 March 2013 - 22:29.

[Skinnyguy]

Alonso, is that you????

You mean my alternatives make so much sense that you get me wrong with a F1 racer? Nah, everyone could come up with these ideas.

[SpaMaster]

nobody is refusing anything, the incident occured at turn 13-14 complex, it's very difficult to move out of the way cause the cars are always turning, besides, there are several lines to choose from. the main issue here is the reason for kimi's being slow in the first place. sutil slowed down and kimi had to pass him, thus rosberg caught up to them.
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Have you seen how drivers yield in tight corners? It's nothing new. They do it all the time. Kimi just had to get off the racing line even if it means coming to a stand-still. This sort of excuse is only valid for getting lapped in race conditions. True, it is a very understandable mistake and it would have been very easy not to see Rosberg. Nevertheless, it is a mistake. Those who argue it is not Kimi's mistake just don't have the understanding required to even judge blocking during qualifying. You would be crying injustice if it was Kimi that was on a hot lap and Rosberg was dicing with Sutil there. Please..

[artista]

Options:

1) Trundle around staying glued to the inside line on the tricky braking zone.
2) Go to the tarmac runnoff exiting the quick left hander.
3) Stay coasting on the left edge after the braking zone ends.

If he had got out of the racing line, staying in he inside line, he would have blocked even more, because Rosberg would have found Sutil on the outside and Kimi in the inside, in diagonal, which would have been almost like a wall. And once he was in the outside line, if he had crossed back out of the racing line to the inside, he would have taken Rosberg with him.
I really don't see that line at all as a solution to the problem

[Skinnyguy]

If he had got out of the racing line, staying in he inside line, he would have blocked even more, because Rosberg would have found Sutil on the outside and Kimi in the inside, in diagonal, which would have been almost like a wall. And once he was in the outside line, if he had crossed back out of the racing line to the inside, he would have taken Rosberg with him.

Kimi had left Sutil well behind when they all arrived to the tricky braking zone. He only had to coast glued to the inside line while Rosberg took the left side to brake properly and get a normal line.

Kimi had to worry about HIM not getting in the way. And that was a perfect place to yield for himself. If Sutil played it dumb behind him and couldn´t yield properly, it wasn´t his problem.

[intelligentsia]

It is not. I can't give you the source right now, but it was in a Finnish paper. The same article also explained Kimi's "weird" voice, he was struck in his throat by a handle bar when he was a kid. I don't remember where I read it, but it's not fiction. The Asperger part was my speculation, but a doctor did give his opinion on Kimi's high intelligence and social ability.

What would you know of Kimi's social abilities? Is he a personal friend? I know which article you are referring to and it says absolutely nothing about any kind of social developmental problems. The media and one's social circle is two very different things. And the story about the handle bar is also not true.

[bourbon]

No seriously, that simply can't be the reason for grid penalty.

Edited by bourbon, 23 March 2013 - 23:02.

[eronrules]

Kimi had left Sutil well behind when they all arrived to the tricky braking zone. He only had to coast glued to the inside line while Rosberg took the left side to brake properly and get a normal line.

Kimi had to worry about HIM not getting in the way. And that was a perfect place to yield for himself. If Sutil played it dumb behind him and couldn´t yield properly, it wasn´t his problem.

Hindsight is a Bitch

[intelligentsia]

I am not particularly interested in Kimi's penalty itself, these things does tend to happen from time and Kimi almost never gets any penalties in any case.

But it does seem a bit interesting to me that Sutil wasn't even investigated in the incident. It almost seems like Mercedes are more interested to see Lotus getting punished.

[TailG]

It is not. I can't give you the source right now, but it was in a Finnish paper. The same article also explained Kimi's "weird" voice, he was struck in his throat by a handle bar when he was a kid. I don't remember where I read it, but it's not fiction. The Asperger part was my speculation, but a doctor did give his opinion on Kimi's high intelligence and social ability.

Kimi's voice is a whole different thing. Asperger? Whoah, you really shouldn't make assumptions like that.

Those who know Kimi personally can tell you that your speculation is utter and total 100% BS and you should be ashamed for throwing crap like that here.

[Rikhart]

Malaysia 13 Qualifying - Raikkonen Rosberg Blocking Incident

What a ridiculous penalty, sorry. He´s overtaking a very slow driver, and then leaves space on the inside for rosberg to take if he wants, but rosberg just decides to brake hard, kimi is all the way to the left, and slows down, but rosberg stays put behind, looked like he didnt want to overtake at all. How is this reason for a penalty?

[eronrules]

Everybody, please disregard this post. Total fiction.

going OT here ...

the part about the voices is true. it was published in an interview with heikki kulta

http://www.racingnerds.com/?p=1176

Là asked:
Is it true that you have been in a bicycle accident when you were a kid and injured your throat when it hit the steering bar? According to the rumor the accident has damaged your vocal cords permanently. Is there any truth in this?
Kimi replied:
– I was in a baby carriage and my bro pushed them into some sand and in the sudden stop a broken fipple fluit jabbed a hole in my throat.

the part about 'above avarage intelligence' came from here http://kimiisland.wo.../tag/childhood/

Even as a child Raikkonen spoke so less that his parents brought him anxiously to the therapist. And he sent him back home after half a day. With a letter in his pocket: “Your son is above average intelligence. That could be the reason why he chooses to remain silent…” A difficult task test, on which an adult needed in average three hours, the six year old had solved in 20 minutes. This had convinced the therapist.

although i couldn't find any 'asperger' anywhere.

Edited by eronrules, 23 March 2013 - 23:45.

[Cool Beans]

Very interesting editing on that BBC video, reminds me of American reality TV. Especially love the 'subtle' boo sound effects.
What I loved most was they tried their hardest to make him look like a bumbling douche. They did make it seem like he's an uncoordinated ******, A for effort but the team wear gives their 'creative' editing away:



They specifically went and edited in year old clips of Kimi bumping awkwardly into a cameraman and a year old clip of Kimi falling in the stairs into his 'walking to the grid' video. They made it look seamless but the team wear gives it away. That's just pathetic from the BBC.

I think the interviewer had an axe to grind. I think she didn't go back on her decision not to interview Kimi. I think she was reminded exactly how much use they have for an interviewer that doesn't interview the race & championship leader. So this is her payback? God these people are s-c-u-m.

[Rikhart]

Very interesting editing on that BBC video, reminds me of American reality TV. Especially love the 'subtle' boo sound effects.
What I loved most was they tried their hardest to make him look like a bumbling douche. They did make it seem like he's an uncoordinated ******, A for effort but the team wear gives their 'creative' editing away:



They specifically went and edited in year old clips of Kimi bumping awkwardly into a cameraman and a year old clip of Kimi falling in the stairs into his 'walking to the grid' video. They made it look seamless but the team wear gives it away. That's just pathetic from the BBC.

I think the interviewer had an axe to grind. I think she didn't go back on her decision not to interview Kimi. I think she was reminded exactly how much use they have for an interviewer that doesn't interview the race & championship leader. So this is her payback? God these people are s-c-u-m.

Thats reason for a lawsuit, thats pure propaganda...

[TailG]

They specifically went and edited in year old clips of Kimi bumping awkwardly into a cameraman and a year old clip of Kimi falling in the stairs into his 'walking to the grid' video. They made it look seamless but the team wear gives it away. That's just pathetic from the BBC.

I think the interviewer had an axe to grind. I think she didn't go back on her decision not to interview Kimi. I think she was reminded exactly how much use they have for an interviewer that doesn't interview the race & championship leader. So this is her payback? God these people are s-c-u-m.

Wow, that's pretty damn condemding stuff. How the **** did BBC lower themselves to this?

Edited by TailG, 24 March 2013 - 00:08.

[Mauseri]

Kimi's voice is a whole different thing. Asperger? Whoah, you really shouldn't make assumptions like that.

Would it be awful if he was? In my opinion it is likely.

Edited by Mauseri, 24 March 2013 - 00:05.

[TailG]

although i couldn't find any 'asperger' anywhere.

Trust me on this one, Kimi most definetly isn't "asperger". He's just very media-shy.

[TailG]

Would it be awful if he was? In my opinion it is likely.

I have met him and trust me, he's very social. It's just that he really doesn't like media. Even finnish media.

[intelligentsia]

going OT here ...

the part about the voices is true. it was published in an interview with heikki kulta


the part about 'above avarage intelligence' came from here http://kimiisland.wo.../tag/childhood/

although i couldn't find any 'asperger' anywhere.

Everything was incorrect, there was nothing about social developmental problems. The injury to his voice box is true, but it had nothing to do with a handle bar.

Would it be awful if he was? In my opinion it is likely.

No it wouldn't. But people are making diagnostics and judgments about someone they dont really know personally, and they are making wrongful assumptions about the behavior of people with Aspergers.

There are a lot of people in the entertainment industry with Aspergers who are great with the media.

[concussion]

i think that's enough of KImi-Mckenzy talk for now.

let's talk race strategy. one of the reason why kimi was able to pull off his victory in melbourne was because he was close to (within 5 seconds) the top 3 (thanks partly to sutil )

however, the position he's in now, he'd HAVE to pass both mclarens and mercs to be close to the ferraris. the 2 Ferraris are the main contender for the win, vettel will chew his tires up if it's dry, and mark ... well we know what'll happen with him

another factor in this race is the speed of the FI, i hope lotus F1 has put an extra long 7th in their, otherwise it'll be P5 at best.

BTW, if they do 3 stops, what'd be better???

Med-hard-hard-hard (which i support) or

Hard-Hard-Hard-MEd or

Hard-Hard-med-med

My thoughts exactly. It would help if lotus is quick off the line but as we see in Aus they have trouble getting heat into the tyres at decent speeds. We can't rely on mark and nico to do lousy race starts every time, eventually all of them are going to get it right once.

Having said that it still has to be med tyres at the start, Kimi has to get past as many drivers as possible in the first Stint and not lose any positions to stand a chance.

Edited by concussion, 24 March 2013 - 00:41.

[Adelaide]

Is it an absolute given that Sepang will be 3 stops (given dry conditions)? Any chance of Lotus trying another 2 stop strategy for either car?

[intelligentsia]

According to James Allen there is 60% chance of rain at 5pm. Planning a dry strategy seem pretty useless. Unfortunately I just cant see the car suddenly doing well in the rain. If it does rain, it might almost be better to hope for a safety car.

[Wander]

Is it an absolute given that Sepang will be 3 stops (given dry conditions)? Any chance of Lotus trying another 2 stop strategy for either car?

Of course. We don't know yet. But it's likely to be mixed condition race so it won't even matter.

[nomi]

Lee McKenzie should focus on losing that lard ass and hips of hers.

[OvDrone]

The penalty: Stuff like this happens quite a lot. It was a mistake, Rosberg got sidetracked. It is what it is. It's not that big of a deal.

The strategy/weather/whatnot: I have no bloody effin idea what would be the optimum tactic here. And frankly I haven't got the time or patience to go over every little fleetin' detail and variation out there tonight, have other better things to do with my free time. But if somebody could pull a regular two-stopper plus maybe a wet stop in chase it buckets down, that'll be Kimi with Lotus. I ain't worried.

The interview (rant time! It's not the tyres that is destroying Formula 1 at the moment. No, it's not the endless clone tilkedromes, less purist racing, regulations, the Concorde agreement, Bernie, yadda yadda. It's this overly politically correct, journo flattering, ultra shiny corporate and elitist attitude in the paddock. So drivers need to be constantly scrutinized at every move by their second shadow - the PR guy/gal. They are asked the most mundane, inept and rather insulting to ones (and the fans) intelligence 'questions'. This endless, recycled waste of nothing coming out of those journalist's. My GOD. If I'd be a driver, I'd go mental. Never mind the driver, what about us fans? Do we really want these questions? Really? Then I'm ashamed of us motorsport fans. I don't believe there's one single dude/dudette out here that would ask over and over and over again stuff like: Are you motivated enough to fight for the WDC? How is it to get your nth win? How does it feel to be part of this 'team'? Are you happy to be on pole? Blarg! They treat drivers like they are some kind of spokesperson for the PR side of a corporate team and us fans as some token fifth graders muppets. It's ridiculous. And shame on the journos walking up and down the bloody paddock like they own it and they are entitled to be the center of the universe. This rehashed PR monster that is the paddock should be dragged out back and shot in the head.
McKenzie & the BBC crew, one word - unprofessional. And hey SKY! You too - Kimi's quote of the week my ass!

Edited by OvDrone, 24 March 2013 - 02:11.

[Iremos]

Lee is acting as if she is the star with the worldwide multimillion fan base! She is not!

Credit where credit is due. Kimi worked hard for his achievements, she is treating him as if he is a bad behaving teenager.

She deserves to be fired! Go and eat sh*t Lee!

[SpaMaster]

I am not particularly interested in Kimi's penalty itself, these things does tend to happen from time and Kimi almost never gets any penalties in any case.

But it does seem a bit interesting to me that Sutil wasn't even investigated in the incident. It almost seems like Mercedes are more interested to see Lotus getting punished.

That's exactly my thought as well. It looks like the whiner Brawn just wanted to influence some damage on Lotus. In his case he reaps quite a bit more than he sows when it comes to things like this. Whatever makes him happy.

[swerved]

I am not particularly interested in Kimi's penalty itself, these things does tend to happen from time and Kimi almost never gets any penalties in any case.

But it does seem a bit interesting to me that Sutil wasn't even investigated in the incident. It almost seems like Mercedes are more interested to see Lotus getting punished.

You're probably right, but we shouldn't kid ourselves, I imagine any Principal, including Boullier, would do the same if it got their driver an advantage, as the man himself says "It is what it is", forget it, and move on

[SpaMaster]

You're probably right, but we shouldn't kid ourselves, I imagine any Principal, including Boullier, would do the same if it got their driver an advantage, as the man himself says "It is what it is", forget it, and move on

Sorry I don't think all team principals would do the same, even in the world of filthy F1. Some are a bit more crooked than others. Brawn is one of them. Another despicable one that got banned a few years back is one of the very worsts. Peter Sauber is probably a bit on the other degree.

[Diderlo]

Mercedes didn't complain about Kimi, it was steward panel's own choice to start investigating it. So no need to diss Brawn etc.
Source Toto Wolff to Turun Sanomat

Edited by Diderlo, 24 March 2013 - 06:18.

[Desdirodeabike]

Mercedes didn't complain about Kimi, it was steward panel's own choice to start investigating it. So no need to diss Brawn etc.
Source Toto Wolff to Turun Sanomat

That makes the penalty even weirder imo.

OvDrone: I wholeheartedly agree on the PR monster

[GodHimself]

So that's it. They're gonna go backwards with these kind of conditions.

[hello86]

This is gonna be a hard (and hopefully a long for drivers) race

[santori]

They specifically went and edited in year old clips of Kimi bumping awkwardly into a cameraman and a year old clip of Kimi falling in the stairs into his 'walking to the grid' video. They made it look seamless but the team wear gives it away. That's just pathetic from the BBC.

I think the interviewer had an axe to grind. I think she didn't go back on her decision not to interview Kimi. I think she was reminded exactly how much use they have for an interviewer that doesn't interview the race & championship leader. So this is her payback? God these people are s-c-u-m.

Thats reason for a lawsuit, thats pure propaganda...

I really don't get some people...

about the interview:
Do you think that Kimi (or any driver) is obliged to talk to every reporter, spent his time with them, be nice to them and play along their games?
I mean seriousy, the guy won WDC, he is one of the best drivers... reporters should be happy, and show some respect, rather than just expect drivers to play along their games and make a show for them. And now "omg how mean he is".. he just pointed out that he won't do any bull**** and if she doesn't like it then why waste their's time.

Possibly they could have pointed out the different years, but it's a mildly amusing couple of minutes, nothing more. And you can't really criticise her for not wanting to interview Kimi if he just rolls his schtick out every time. Does he want to be interviewed or not? If he doesn't - and if you like that - then why blame anyone else for not being interested?

Lee McKenzie should focus on losing that lard ass and hips of hers.

Lee is acting as if she is the star with the worldwide multimillion fan base! She is not!

Credit where credit is due. Kimi worked hard for his achievements, she is treating him as if he is a bad behaving teenager.

She deserves to be fired! Go and eat sh*t Lee!

She asked him politely; he declined (less politely. A little like a badly... well, you see where I'm going with this). Really, asking someone to remove his or her sunglasses for an interview is reasonable enough. He's not Rod Stewart.

[Vesuvius]

Boullier said that in dry conditions Kimi would still fight for the podium and even for victory for sure, but in wet it's a bit more lottery.

[boldhakka]

Boullier said that in dry conditions Kimi would still fight for the podium and even for victory for sure, but in wet it's a bit more lottery.

Any explanation as to why the car is expected not to be competetive if it's wet? It's really not normal to see such a big difference - maybe the trick suspension isn't so great under wet conditions? (riding the car too low).

[Adelaide]

Shame the race started in the wet on inters with slow starts off the line. Lotus dry pace looking really good now.

[Yoshi]

Any explanation as to why the car is expected not to be competetive if it's wet? It's really not normal to see such a big difference - maybe the trick suspension isn't so great under wet conditions? (riding the car too low).

Maybe they are not able to get enough heat into the tyres?

[Raikkonen94]

In dry Lotus is the fastest car, such a shame that it rained this weekend. Kimi was also stuck too long behind Perez and he had a horrible first pit stop. Bad, bad, bad luck.