I hope someone can enlighten me on this.
I was watching an old video tape of the Japanese GP in 1993 and noticed something i hadn't seen before. The Ligiers were running a very ugly livery, compared to the nice blue livery they used to use. You can see a pic of the "new" livere here http://forix.com/asp...93/15025_rn.jpg
I found out that it was at least also used in Adelaide. Can someone answer why the team changed livery, and why they choosed such an ugly one?
Ligier end of 1993 season livery?
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jk
, Aug 15 2002 14:08
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mikedeering
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Posted 15 August 2002 - 14:27
It was definitely used at Suzuka 1993 - that's where it first appeared. Not sure about Adelaide - I can't remember. It may also have just been Brundle's car.
It's supposed to look like a Gitanes cigarette packet - you can't exactly tell this from the forix photo (looks more like army camoflauge!) but is has a woman painted on the side.
It actually looks a bit different - I quite liked it. There's a good photo of it in Autocourse from 1993.
It's supposed to look like a Gitanes cigarette packet - you can't exactly tell this from the forix photo (looks more like army camoflauge!) but is has a woman painted on the side.
It actually looks a bit different - I quite liked it. There's a good photo of it in Autocourse from 1993.
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Posted 15 August 2002 - 15:01
Bleeagghh! Luftwaffe Arctic camouflage scheme, 1942? 
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Marcel Schot
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Posted 15 August 2002 - 15:41
It was just Brundle's car that carried this paintjob. If I recall correctly this was a special action by Gitanes who bought off all the other advertisers to make this special livery. I think it was to support the launch of their Light brand, but I'm not quite sure about that.
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Posted 15 August 2002 - 15:47
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Bleeagghh! Luftwaffe Arctic camouflage scheme, 1942?
My thoughts as well! There were similar patterns occasionally used during the US wargames -- The Louisiana Maneuvers -- of 1940 and 1941.
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cheesy poofs
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Posted 15 August 2002 - 16:03
The car ( Ligier JS-39 ) was designed and painted by french cartoonist Hugo Pratt
for the 1993 Japanese & Australian GP's.
for the 1993 Japanese & Australian GP's.
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Doug Nye
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Posted 15 August 2002 - 17:38
Yep - I thought as much.... 
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Zawed
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Posted 16 August 2002 - 07:54
Originally posted by mikedeering
There's a good photo of it in Autocourse from 1993.
Also a good side on pic, in the Motorsport issue covering the Japanese/Australian race that year. (It was the first ever copy of Motorsport I purchased, that's why I remember)
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racer69
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Posted 16 August 2002 - 12:06
Obviously the 'same livery on each car' wasn't enforced then
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Henri Greuter
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Posted 16 August 2002 - 12:56
I remember that once in I believe 1986 The two McLaren's raced in different colors too: one the regular Dayglo-red, the oter in Gold to promote the new Light brand of Marlboro
Fortunately they never promoted the mint cigarettes on the cars...
(Go to a tobacco shop to find out why I say that!)
Teamcars not identical, CART must be the ultimate sin to FIA for that I think....
Henri Greuter
Fortunately they never promoted the mint cigarettes on the cars...
(Go to a tobacco shop to find out why I say that!)
Teamcars not identical, CART must be the ultimate sin to FIA for that I think....
Henri Greuter
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Don Capps
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Posted 16 August 2002 - 13:41
Originally posted by racer69
Obviously the 'same livery on each car' wasn't enforced then
That is a 'rule' that was created to teach BAR & Pollock a lesson -- it never existed prior to that.
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Marcel Schot
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Posted 16 August 2002 - 14:44
Originally posted by Henri Greuter
Fortunately they never promoted the mint cigarettes on the cars...
(Go to a tobacco shop to find out why I say that!)
You mean this one?
Source picture : http://www.forix.com...88/13012_GS.JPG
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Henri Greuter
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Posted 16 August 2002 - 15:00
Marcel,
Forgot the possibilities of the digital Era, you almost got me.
But you're right, I was thinking about the green marlboro mint colors.
Who wants to place a bet on when we'll see the first Mint Marlboro green Ferrari?
Kool.........
Henri greuter
Forgot the possibilities of the digital Era, you almost got me.
But you're right, I was thinking about the green marlboro mint colors.
Who wants to place a bet on when we'll see the first Mint Marlboro green Ferrari?
Kool.........
Henri greuter
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Posted 16 August 2002 - 15:35
Hugo Pratt was an Italian who spent part of his life in Argentina and lived in Switzerland after his best known comic "Corto Maltese" earned him enough money to abandon other jobs... Sadly he died a few years ago but his legacy is still with us - an animated movie version of "Corto Maltese" is just shown at a festival in Switzerland and I can't wait to see it!Originally posted by cheesy poofs
The car ( Ligier JS-39 ) was designed and painted by french cartoonist Hugo Pratt
for the 1993 Japanese & Australian GP's.
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Posted 16 August 2002 - 17:20
Originally posted by cheesy poofs
The car ( Ligier JS-39 ) was designed and painted by french cartoonist Hugo Pratt
for the 1993 Japanese & Australian GP's.
Right livery, wrong car.
That thing in exhibit is an F.3000, not the Ligier.
pc13
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Posted 17 August 2002 - 10:07
I may be mistaken but I think MBrundle lost a wheel during the race on sunday, damaging the entire undertray. The car had already been sold on saturday by some japanese ticoon.
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Doug Nye
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Posted 17 August 2002 - 16:11
Originally posted by joachimvanwing
I may be mistaken but I think MBrundle lost a wheel during the race on sunday, damaging the entire undertray. The car had already been sold on saturday by some japanese ticoon.
What's a ticoon? - that conjures a lovely mental image of a racoon in pin-stripes, spats and shades waving a huge timepiece and cheque-book.
DCN
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Posted 17 August 2002 - 16:28
Actually it was Brundles lost wheel that gave Irvine the oppotonity to unlap himself.
Senna was trying to lap Hill, who had changed to slicks too early, and as Hill saw Brundle loosing a wheel, he lifted so that Senna came close on him. Senna thought Hill would let him pass into 130R, Hill shut the door and Irvine passed Senna. The next couble of laps Irvine was trying everything he could to get pass Hill, several times overtaking and being overtaken back right away. Eventually, Irvine slid wide and Senna was through again. Great piece of racing!
Senna was trying to lap Hill, who had changed to slicks too early, and as Hill saw Brundle loosing a wheel, he lifted so that Senna came close on him. Senna thought Hill would let him pass into 130R, Hill shut the door and Irvine passed Senna. The next couble of laps Irvine was trying everything he could to get pass Hill, several times overtaking and being overtaken back right away. Eventually, Irvine slid wide and Senna was through again. Great piece of racing!
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Posted 19 August 2002 - 03:03
The Ligier looks like a blue and white spotted cow...ARGHH
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Posted 21 August 2002 - 20:10
It's slang for 'a toplevel japanese trader'Originally posted by Doug Nye
What's a ticoon?
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Posted 08 September 2002 - 09:10
Originally posted by joachimvanwing
I may be mistaken but I think MBrundle lost a wheel during the race on sunday, damaging the entire undertray. The car had already been sold on saturday by some japanese ticoon.
He might have damaged the undertray, but that did not stop him setting the fastest lap of the race on fresh Goodyears. It seemed like Brundle was finally getting the first fastest lap of his career, but it was not to be, Prost beat Martins time by quite a margin. Brundles career ended without setting a fastest lap ever.
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Posted 08 September 2002 - 09:26
I liked that spooted BLUE & WHITE cow look on the Ligier.
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Posted 08 September 2002 - 19:54
I think it looks fantastic!
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Posted 09 September 2002 - 23:19
Originally posted by Henri Greuter
I remember that once in I believe 1986 The two McLaren's raced in different colors too: one the regular Dayglo-red, the oter in Gold to promote the new Light brand of Marlboro
Fortunately they never promoted the mint cigarettes on the cars...
indeed it was the 86 Portuguese GP--Prost with normal colors and Rosberg with the day-glo gold.
http://www.forix.com...86/14002arn.jpg
