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#51 Ellis French

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 22:16

A couple of Allans drives in Australia that havnt been mentioned albiet at almost opposite ends of the horsepower / performance spectrum and his career were his Volkswagen beetle and the Dekon (Dykstra /Kweck built) Chev Monza.

Amongst the others also was a very neat and quick Cologne Capri.

The famous Transam Mustang was campaigned in 3 different colours...
Red.................Coca Cola, Allan Moffat Racing
Silver / Blk/Grn....Brut 33
White / Blue.....Union Shipping

It was in Union Shipping colours in NZ for its last racing appearances in a Tasman support series.

Allan has a website that contains some of his history etc.
http://www.allanmoffat.com.au/

Another site with a wealth of Transam Mustang info inc Moffats car is...
http://www.ponysite.de/transam.htm


Allans Transam history can be gleaned from Entrant lists and Results detailed in the book "Transam..The Pony Car Wars" by Freidman including pics of the Lotus Cortinas, MercuryCougars and his drives in the early Mustangs .

Edited by Ellis French, 19 August 2010 - 22:53.


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#52 david5

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 00:08

Anyone know how he came to be sharing the #70 Porsche 935 with Bobby Rahal in 1980 given he didn't have any previous association with Porsche in his career :

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AM won the ASCC in 1980 driving a 934 for Allan Hamilton, maybe that had something to do with it.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 00:31

A couple of Allans drives in Australia ... and the Dekon (Dykstra /Kweck built) Chev Monza... .

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#54 arttidesco

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 02:02

I'll put my hands up and confess I know zip about racing in Australia beyond the names of a few of the players in the late 70's and 80's but reading this thread I saw mention of a Coca Cola sponsored 302 Boss Mustang.

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According to the 2009 Goodwood FoS programme the above is the said 485 hp beast in which 'Allan Moffat won 101 races'.

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The programme also mentions the '72 Bathurst incident described by David Shaw earlier in this thread in which Allan 'undid his belts and leant out of the window to see rather than slow down when oil coated his windscreen'.

Last year the car was owned by David Bowden who shared the driving duties at Goodwood with Chris Bowden.

Since these pics were taken at Goodwood a couple of TNF'ers might recognise themselves ?

#55 brucemoxon

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 02:52

AM won the ASCC in 1980 driving a 934 for Allan Hamilton, maybe that had something to do with it.


And here he is, in that car, doing just that.

Moffat won the 1980 Sports Car Championship in this car, which is still running today in historics. Hamilton had co-driven with Moffat at Bathurst in 1969 (Moffat's first start there in the 500-mile race) and then co-drove with Colin Bond to second in 1977.

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As a very young course commentator I was sent down to the grid with a microphone on a long cord to 'get a few words with Moffat before the race started. I suspect now that the more senior commentators were having a quiet giggle at having sent that kid into the lion's den, as Moffat had little patience with any sort of press person. I found him quite accommodating and he made some nice remarks before starting the race, a one-hour event for production cars. Moffat was sharing an RX7 with Garry Waldon I think, and they won the race pretty handily.

But Moffat could also be a bit of a bastard - he'd be standing next to his smoking, ruined car and tell a journalist that 'everything was to plan.'

He was certainly usually very intense at a race track - he wasn't the natural driver that Brock, Geoghegan and co were, so he had to work very hard to get where he did.


And here he is in his first Bathurst start in the RX7, shared with Derek Bell.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 04:04

I pitcrewed for Matt Wacker who bought one of Allan's RX7's and ran it in Sports Sedans. The car was then sold to someone in WA who supposedly wrote it off. I can still remember the awesome sound those things would make.

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#57 cheapracer

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 04:04

The Mustang that Moffat bought to Australia was a 69 Model so it was hardly one of the first Trans Am Mustangs, but it may have been the first 69.



Moffats car was one of only 3 very special cars that were constructed from thinner guage steel and even then they were acid dipped. There were thousands of hours put into those 3 cars and they were super light hence why Moff's was so fast with just 302 cubes (originally).

I had a couple of chats to Moffat over the years and found him to be polite but distant. I spoke to both Brock and Moffat seperately at a stand i had at a Canberra Motor Show one year and Brock was awesome and got genuinely very excited about the Group B rally vids I was showing (must have been '85) stood there for half an hour raving about the drivers whereas later Moffot's comments were "I did rallycross once" and walked off.

Great driver though, Kevin Bartlett rates Moffat as Australia's best touring car driver tipping the scales over Brock because of the far less factory support Moffat had in his career (from the book "Big Rev Kev").


#58 GeoffR

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:28

Moffot's comments were "I did rallycross once" and walked off.

Ha ha, I won an argument over this many many years ago. I mentioned to some acquaintances that Moffat had competed in Rallycross at Calder, driving a Mk 2 Lotus Cortina, to be met with howls of derision. My argument was proven with reference to an issue of RCN (Ray?) that featured a pic of said Cortina 'flying' over a jump.
I believe that the Cortina was later turbocharged and driven with some success by Bill Evans.


#59 arttidesco

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:37

Moffot's comments were "I did rallycross once" and walked off.


Priceless :clap:

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#60 GD66

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:14

The famous Transam Mustang was campaigned in 3 different colours...
Red.................Coca Cola, Allan Moffat Racing
Silver / Blk/Grn....Brut 33
White / Blue.....Union Shipping

It was in Union Shipping colours in NZ for its last racing appearances in a Tasman support series.



The promoters of Bay Park had Allan Moffat over a few times for the entertainment of the NZ public, and it was during his trip with the gorgeous Brut 33-liveried Mustang that we saw just how intense he could be. During practice, he'd been into the pits for an under-bonnet check before resuming. He left the pits, and as he crossed the bridge entering the Rothmans sweeper, the bonnet flew up and whacked the windscreen : clearly, the bonnet retaining clips hadn't been replaced. Moffat, left hand on the wheel and the other arm resting on the window sill and clutching the gutter, pulled to the infield and stopped, but rather than exiting the car, just sat there simmering and staring straight ahead.....woe betide the errant mechanic.... :eek:


#61 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:17

Yes, the picture was in Racing Car News...

Where did you find that one?

I also have a notion that Bruce Hodgson drove that car.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:32

Argh! Brut 33 who invented that stuff ?

Around the time you had Allan in the Brut 33 Boss Mustang downunder, we had Stuart Graham dominating the British Saloon Car Championship in his Brut 33 Camaro seen here in what looks like Group 2 form for the TT at Silverstone.

#63 Ellis French

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:23

The Moffat Transam Mustang in Union colours at now defunct Bay Park in NZ where it finnished its racing career......

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pic courtesy of NZ Racing Mustangs site.

The 7 Mustangs destined to be Kar Kraft and Bud Moore cars mentioned in a previous post were in fact not Boss (G Code) 302 from the factory.
They were supplied as (M Code) 351 Windsors. They were changed to 302 (5 Litre) during their extensive race preparation to suit the
Transam rules so were in fact pre production prototype Boss cars.
As well as panel lightenning the race versions (inc Moffats) had a droopy nose obtained by cutting and removing a wedge starting about 1.25" wide starting from the front of the radiator support in the inner guards tapering to nil towards the firewall . The sheet metal was pulled down to fit and as well as making them very low in the frontal area it caused the front wheel arches to bow out giving more room for tyres.

In 1969 Ford were required to build a certain number of production race type cars to make them Transam elligible and built approx 1800 Boss 302 production versions.
In 1970 the sanctioning body changed the rules as to number required and Ford had to build 7000 ( actually built 7013)

Edited by Ellis French, 20 August 2010 - 12:24.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 13:17

He also had an epic battle with Geoghegan at the 1972 round of the Australian Touring Car Championship at Bathurst in a 13 lap race. Moffat had the Trans Am, Geoghegan in the highly modified "Super Falcon" reputedly putting out up to 620hp. They had a close battle until lap 8 when Moffat dropped back, with the wipers on but there was no rain. Geoghegan's lead increased until lap 10 from where the table started to turn until half way around the last lap, Moffat was right on him.
They then had the run down Conrod Straight (over 1 mile long) where Moffat apparently had the rear wheels off the ground going over the last hump, hanging out the window to see with his seat belts off. Moffat knew he could outbrake Geoghegan into Murray's Corner at the end of Conrod, and onto the start/finish straight, as he had consistently outbraked him there early on.
The problem was though, he was up against a cagey operator. Geoghegan had deliberately let Moffat outbrake him early on, as he wanted to keep something up his sleeve. They both left their braking so late for Murrays that they stopped to a crawl to get around the corner, Moffat's motor bogged down, and Geoghegan went off to claim the flag.
Moffat's Mustang finished with an oil covered screen, with oil dripping off the side panels, and lodged a protest. By the time Geoghegan's Falcon made it to scrutineering, it had been wiped clean of any oil, Geoghegan said nothing, there had been no oil flags, and the protest was dismissed.
Now if only I could get hold of that race on video.


I've just looked up my negs from Bathurst '72 & found this sequence, taken at the dipper.

My memory of the day is that there was rain around earlier,
& my brief look through the negs confirms it, with several spins at the dipper.

They'll be scanned eventually, but for now I've just scanned the Geoghegan/Moffat dice.

I've put the lot in so the story of the race is seen.

The last photo is very revealing & the enlargement leaves no doubt.!!

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 14:55

Thanks for sharing the fab pix lyntonh :up:

As you say the evidence of a serious oil leak from the #10 is clear to see.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 21:44

Moffats Super Falcon (at Calder).........

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The 351 Fuel injected engine from this car was fitted to the Mustang later in its career to try
and keep up with some of the bigger engined by now "sports sedans" but it was not a success
due to its extra weight up front upsetting the Mustangs handling. Moffat has stated that he
wasnt prepared to cut the car about to move the engine back....a wise decision given the
Mustangs unique historic status nowdays.

The fuel inj system from Moffats car was reportedly used in the restoration of the Geoghegan car.

Both Super falcons started life as 1969/70 XW Falcons and were updated to 71 XY model sheetmetal
to appear as current models when they were racing.

Geoghegan spent a small fortune trying to get his car reliable after taking over from Fords efforts but
Moffat didnt persevere with his car for as long preferring the Mustang.

Edited by Ellis French, 20 August 2010 - 21:45.


#67 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 22:43

Yes, the picture was in Racing Car News...

Where did you find that one?

I also have a notion that Bruce Hodgson drove that car.

From memory Allan raced that Cortina a couple of times at Calder. Good promotion I guess of Brock v Moffatt. And at that time Alan would have ben the bigger name.
Bruce Hodgson was the more 'regular' driver of that car though i think there was other guest drivers. I believe it was Ford owned and prepared.

#68 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 23:11

The Super Falcon saga was interesting. Allan scrapped his lightlu used one because he reckoned it flexed and was worn out yet Geoghans car did heaps more racing seemingly without the same maladies. Later on Pete spent a LOT of money redoing suspension, cage and more but by then it had done alot of racing.
I have read Allans story about fitting the 351C to the Mustang and the weight screwed up the car. I would not have thought the weight difference would have been huge between a Boss 302 which is Cleveland headed with Webers and the Cleveland. 50 lb max maybe. The Clevo block and crank is heavier but every thing else was the same. Changing front springs would have largely solved that.
The Mustang undoubtedly was the better car, and probably had more cheats too, particularly the droop nose. Beecheys HT350 was probably the most legal car in those days. Though Janes Camaro was probably fairly 'straight' too. Both being built from complete cars and reputedly not acid dipped.
And it is good to see that all 4 have survived. Though 3 are really grandpas axe whereas the Mustang was never totally hacked, butchered, and barstadised as Sports Sedans or drag cars.

#69 David Shaw

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 23:24

From memory Allan raced that Cortina a couple of times at Calder. Good promotion I guess of Brock v Moffatt. And at that time Alan would have ben the bigger name.
Bruce Hodgson was the more 'regular' driver of that car though i think there was other guest drivers. I believe it was Ford owned and prepared.


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#70 Ellis French

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:12

Moffats Mustang at Symmons Plains in Tasmania......

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It didnt always travel in the style to which it is accustomed to nowdays...

At Baskerville Tasmania in its Brut 33 colours.....

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:00

The Super Falcon saga was interesting. Allan scrapped his lightlu used one because he reckoned it flexed and was worn out yet Geoghans car did heaps more racing seemingly without the same maladies. Later on Pete spent a LOT of money redoing suspension, cage and more but by then it had done alot of racing.
I have read Allans story about fitting the 351C to the Mustang and the weight screwed up the car. I would not have thought the weight difference would have been huge between a Boss 302 which is Cleveland headed with Webers and the Cleveland. 50 lb max maybe. The Clevo block and crank is heavier but every thing else was the same. Changing front springs would have largely solved that.
The Mustang undoubtedly was the better car, and probably had more cheats too, particularly the droop nose. Beecheys HT350 was probably the most legal car in those days. Though Janes Camaro was probably fairly 'straight' too. Both being built from complete cars and reputedly not acid dipped.
And it is good to see that all 4 have survived. Though 3 are really grandpas axe whereas the Mustang was never totally hacked, butchered, and barstadised as Sports Sedans or drag cars.

After reading a few stories on Pete's Falcon, the conclusion seems to be that they were both flexing like old matress's due the efforts to minimise weight. Pete was prepared to persevere, Alan had the Mustang.
I also believe Norm had a lot of help in those days from CAMS. Pete Geoghegan wanted to run a fast back Mustang to replace the first one but was told it would be 'unfair to Norm'. Norm apparently was granted a few more freedoms to make the HT Monaro more competitive than the HK in an effort to have an Australian car win the championship.
I was alway's under the impression Moffat was a prickly character to talk to, but ran into him at a store in Newcastle. Any immediate fears I had were quickly forgotten as Moffat was more than happy to talk about anything. I found Brock the same.

Edited by gtsmunro, 18 January 2011 - 02:33.


#72 Ellis French

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 20:23

Pete Geoghegan wanted to run a fast back Mustang to replace the first one but was told it would be 'unfair to Norm'.
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At that time CAMS classified the new Fastback as a sports car not a saloon car...Havnt heard the bit about being unfair to Beechey before.

Geoghegans bought 2 Mustangs in and when they couldnt run the Fastback converted the Notchback Auto (GTA) to race mode. The fastback is heavier also and thats why the notchbacks were used more in racing etc....here and US

A new fastback was used as course marshall car for the 67 Bathurst.

Edited by Ellis French, 21 August 2010 - 20:28.


#73 Ellis French

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 21:06

Moffat in red Lotus Cortina leads a Cooper S at Calder Nov 1966...


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Posted 21 August 2010 - 22:43

Moffat in red Lotus Cortina leads a Cooper S at Calder Nov 1966...


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Peter Manton maybe?




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#75 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 23:43

Seeing as the Geoghegans would have ordered their replacement Mustang before Munros arrived, I sincerely doubt any of that discussion about the CAMS helping Norm at all...

Sure, there are many instances of CAMS allowing things for Melbourne competitors first as they were lobbied to do so, but I think that would have favoured Moffat just as much.

Fastback Mustangs didn't have the FIA-required headroom for back seat passengers, I would think. This was relaxed later and so the Moffat Mustang and Porsche 911s were allowed.

#76 Ellis French

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:44

Peter Manton maybe?




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Yes Bruce thats whats on the slide ...I just didnt include it in the caption.

#77 Ellis French

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 08:01

Jane and Moffat Lotus Cortinas... modified LeMans start (mechanics ran the keys across the road)..... Longford 65

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Moffat 1st at Longford ....in 1966....

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 09:52

Seeing as the Geoghegans would have ordered their replacement Mustang before Munros arrived, I sincerely doubt any of that discussion about the CAMS helping Norm at all...

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I remember the quote in one of the Australian Muscle Car stories about the Geoghegan 's second Mustang. I'll see if I can dig it up... Or is quoting from articles in that rag not a real good source of info??

Over the years, I've tried to find information about the 1973 Hardie, but I'm pretty much restricted to Bill Tuckey's book on the race between 1960 and 1980, and the DVD. Outside Brock/Chivas running out of fuel, was Moffat's 73 win more Pete Geoghegans effort to drag the car back into the lead (passing Chivas) than the Torana going for maximum laps and dying?

If we 'if' and 'but' about 1973, how far were Goss/Bartlett ahead before they and Jane got caught up in George Garth's capsizing? From what I can understand, the Torana running out of fuel and Moffat wouldn't have matterted had the accident occured.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:43

Yes, Goss was streaking away in that one...

I never kept a lap chart on that race, the only one in the period I didn't report on, so I don't recall the details sufficiently well to answer the other part of your question.

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#80 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 23:09

Jane and Moffat Lotus Cortinas... modified LeMans start (mechanics ran the keys across the road)..... Longford 65

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Moffat 1st at Longford ....in 1966....

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That grid looks a bit 'wrong' Cortina, Minis galore..........and a leadsled!! John Goss maybe?

#81 Ellis French

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 23:46

That grid looks a bit 'wrong' Cortina, Minis galore..........and a leadsled!! John Goss maybe?




Thats "The Good Old Days"....

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#82 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:52

Seeing as the Geoghegans would have ordered their replacement Mustang before Munros arrived, I sincerely doubt any of that discussion about the CAMS helping Norm at all...

Sure, there are many instances of CAMS allowing things for Melbourne competitors first as they were lobbied to do so, but I think that would have favoured Moffat just as much.

Fastback Mustang didn't have the FIA-required headroom for back seat passengers, I would think. This was relaxed later and so the Moffat Mustang and Porsche 911s were allowed.

The 69-70 Mustang Fastbacks do have more headroom in the back. I can sit in the back of a 70 but no way in a 66. Still claustraphobic though!!
The 70 does not have enough boot room for the Esky and the chairs, they go on the back seat.
But they are still the best looking Mustang made, just a little impractical! The 70 Notchback is far better.

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 23 August 2010 - 08:54.


#83 ellrosso

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 11:04

Gene Cook in the Cusso I think Lee.

#84 gtsmunro

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 02:36

Does anyone have pics of Moffats burnt out rig and car after the Adelaide Hills fire?

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 04:27

as a notalgic fan of Moffat's in my youth, GREAT THREAD!

The stories I'd heard with regard to the Geoghegan coupe/hardtop debate surrounding their 67 car, IIRC they had brought in two cars, on of each, with a view to campaigning the hardtop... but CAMS did tell them no, on the grounds that it "wouldn't be fair to Norm", but IIRC, Beechey was running the Nova at that stage, rather than his older Mustang. And so they built-up the coupe. Then the story went (and I think it was related by Mick Lambert and told in the Chevron publication covering the first 25 years of the ATCC or somesuch), that Moffat's car turned up, and the Geoghegan team sputtered "it's a hardtop" to be told "yes, isn't it great?" or similar....

It was also said that in his early racing days, one of his knockabout mates who helped with the tinkering on the TR3 was Tim Schenken...

And that the crankshaft pulley that failed at Bathurst 1976 had been removed from the charred hulk of the race car burnt out in Adelaide (which was originally the Gibson/Seton factory XAGT racer, rebuilt into the magnificent blue Brut 33 white elephant)...

...and in relation to the Improved Production GTHO's, apparently the acid-dipping went a bit too far, and they had the structural rigidity of their owners' manual. Moffat disliked the car and, compelled as he felt to keep the AMR fires burning with prizemoney, favoured the Mustang immeasurably. Apparently Al Turner once suggested to AM during testing at Calder (?), that Moffat may not have been giving the development of the GTHO his best efforts... and Moff, conned Turner into the passenger seat to discuss it... and subsequently set off on several white-knuckled laps with Turner a less-than-willing participant... and the topic was never discussed again.

I'm sure I'd heard that when the Geoghegans took over the development of the white car, it went to Bowin for John Joyce to assist with, and was re-shelled with something a little less-compromised as part of the work done.

TO hear Moffat tell of his acquisition of the Coca-Cola Mustang; he had approached his contacts in the States with the idea of getting hold of one of the '68 cars that may have been laying around, and sold off the Cortina to fund his airfare to the States. He had been working with contacts here in Australia to secure funding to obtain and run "something", and secured an audience with Jaque Passano at Ford. Upon presenting his business case, Passano took his contact details and said he'd be in touch within a few days... and rang an anxious Moffat, to tell him to get down to Bud Moore's in South Carolina and there was a car waiting for him...

The incomplete Trans-Am car was handed over in a bit of a flurry, with Moffat spending 10 days there assisting in its completion... the rush meant that it was initially fitted with one of the previous year's Tunnel Port V8's, and the interior trim (required under the Australian rules) was summarily flung into the car. Meanwhile Moffat's contacts had confirmed that the Victorican state Coca Cola bottlers had weighed in, and dragged a number of the other state bottlers in to sponsor the venture... and home flew Moffat with his brand new toy. There was no payment asked or given for the car, and rather than equate to payment for prior services rendered, AM seems to recall it as the greatest act of largesse to which he was ever a recipient, and subsequently has always cherished the car.

The Holman Moody stickers that folks recall from pics from the early late 90's /early 2000's were likely from its time there, when Moffat had shipped it Stateside for sale. It was fitted with Holley Dominators at that stage in an attempt to make it relevant to the potential US market (since the Trans-Am cars never ran the quad-IDA Weber setup Moffat used), but upon seeing the quality of the restoration that David Bowden had lavished on Geoghegan's GTHO in 1995, he brokered a deal to sell the car to Bowden, who cherishes the car above most in his collection to this day.



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Posted 18 January 2011 - 04:54

The story of the ineligible fastback is in Australian Touring Car Championship - 25 Fabulous Years on page 152. The Geoghegans wanted to race the fastback as it had more torsional strength.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 06:32

The reason that all Mustangs in Australia up to the 68 model were all notchbacks was because that the fastback was homologated as a Sportscar. (the Shelby GT350) It was not a case of CAMS playing favourites.
The new Mustang Fastback body in 69 was homologated as a touring car.

It is time for the usual myths to be put to bed.


#88 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 06:51

A matter of rear seat space and headroom...

Like the Porsche 911. When they brought out the Porsche 911 with some more room in the back and had it homologated as a touring car they suddenly were popular. Nobody had ever thought of going that way before.

#89 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 06:59

To me the 911 was [and is] a sportscar. The roofline did not seem to change either.
To me CAMS playing with rules, as they did allowing RX7s later which were always a Sports Car.
The 69-70 Mustang while a bit iffy is a 5 adult seat car. The Porsche and RX7 are not, they are 2+2. US RX7s did not even have a back seat.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 07:16

I repeat it is nothing to do with CAMS. It was the FIA.


#91 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 07:19

Nothing to do with the CAMS, Lee...

It was an FIA thing. Porsche made a rear seat with extremely thin padding and stuff like that, they got it through the official FIA measurements.

The RX7 was a different era, more politics at work, definitely a case of the CAMS playing with the rules.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 07:58

The RX7 was a different era, more politics at work, definitely a case of the CAMS playing with the rules.

The car was homologated for Group 1 and 2. So therefore it was allowed to run in Australia.
Nobody had any problem with them racing in Australia until Moffat wanted to run the PP motor. Yes, that was CAMS playing with the rules. But the car did have the right to be in Touring cars.


#93 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:48

You're right, of course...

And then they just kept on playing with the rules.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 09:15

The reason that all Mustangs in Australia up to the 68 model were all notchbacks was because that the fastback was homologated as a Sportscar. (the Shelby GT350) It was not a case of CAMS playing favourites.
The new Mustang Fastback body in 69 was homologated as a touring car.

It is time for the usual myths to be put to bed.

In the article in the book it appears the ones purporting the 'myth' of the fastbacks ineligability was Pete Geoghegan and John Sheppard themselves. Geoghegan wanted the fastback for the extra torsional strength, but was told he couldn't by CAMS. Obviously CAMS was pointing out the FIA rules at the time. Maybe when I research something I'll just ask you first as it appears most of the sources from the era are wrong.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 10:19

The car was homologated for Group 1 and 2. So therefore it was allowed to run in Australia.
Nobody had any problem with them racing in Australia until Moffat wanted to run the PP motor. Yes, that was CAMS playing with the rules. But the car did have the right to be in Touring cars.

The Mazdas and the Porkers were both elegibe to race as Sports Cars and often did. Really cannot be one thing without the other. And a early shape Mustang Fastback is not elegible to race as a sports car, though some [Shelbys] were produced as 2 seat cars though at least with the seats in [the standard car] they had some rear seat room, but not much though a lot more than the early shape RX7.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 11:36

Come on, Lee...

You remember when Bob Jane ran his (notchback) Mustang in a Sports Car Championship race, don't you?

Any touring car is eligible to run as a sports car.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 05:09


The Mustang 1965 Fastback GT350 was Ford's reply to the Corvettes, and they were homolgated as GT/Sports cars - ran at leMans etc. and Sebring enduro events. Hence they now run in Group S historics in Australia

Having said that - in the film "Year of the Cortina"....Ford ran Lotus Cortina and Falcon Sprint at Sebring in Sports car races.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 05:45

In the 12-hour sports car race?

Or in the 4-hour (or was it three?) touring car race?

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:23

My first sighting of Allan Moffat in the Mustang was at Warwick Farm practice on 6th September 1969

The first lap seemed OK, but then what looked like a pretty substantial oil leak & then he put it away.

(The first photo has some artefacts caused by the film loosening in the tank & causing patchy partial development...
some other shots had neat rows of sprockets right across the cars!!)

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:51

And that's Don Smith in the Datto?

I think you'll find it is. That Mustang had the inglorious reputation for frequently shrouding itself in smoke.