 A lot of pictues to identify |
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 Mar 25 2003, 21:35
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After spending more than two and a half years collecting pictures from the Internet, I decided to write them to a CD. (I’ll never offer them for sale as others did!) Whilst sorting out the pictures, in some cases I faced great difficulties identifying the photos.
 I solved a lot of problems, but still there are 25 cases, where I didn’t manage to find out either the driver, the location or the car. I would like to ask the members of TNF to try to identify these pictures. With your help I will be able to complete my collection! Some problems look relatively easy to solve, some promise to be really difficult. Perhaps in the end we will be making interesting revelations! So, let’s go ahead!  (You can click each picture for bigger images)
Case#1  
Both pictures supposed to have been taken at Imola in 1985. It looks like driver Michele Alboreto used two different types of front wings. Were these pictures really taken during the San Marino GP weekend or during testing perhaps? Case#2  
The captions of these pictures both say: ‘Mario Andretti – South African GP 1972’. Is this true? Did Andretti try the Ferrari 312s with two different types of front wings during the weekend? Case#3 
This is Jean-Pierre Beltoise during the 1972 Belgian GP weekend. Could anybody explain why the ‘Marlboro-BRM’ decals had been replaced with Beltoise’s name? Case#4 .jpg)
This is Vittorio Brambilla in 1977, but where? Perhaps Fuji or Mosport? Case#5 
The caption says: ‘Jim Clark – Italian GP 1966’. I’ve got no record of Clark racing or even practicing the #20 Lotus there. Perhaps this picture was taken somewhere else? Case#6 
This is similar to the previous case. The captions says: ‘Graham Hill – 1967 German GP.’ According to my sources, Graham never drove the Lotus 49 with #3 on the side of it in a World Championship race. Is this a non-championship race? Case#7 
IIRC I found this picture on Forix. It shows Phil Hill during the 1963 Italian GP weekend. Or does it? I don’t seem to recall seeing this picture of Hill’s A.T.S. before. Case#8 
It’s Phil Hill again, this time in 1966. Or is he? The #30 Eagle-Weslake had been entered for Dan Gurney himself. Is this Hill practicing in Gurney’s car or Gurney wearing a different helmet than his regular black one? Case#9   
This is one of those mysterious Japanese entries. The driver is Kazuyoshi Hoshino, but in which car? The pictures supposed to have been taken during the 1976 Japanese GP weekend. Is this really true? Case#10 
The driver is Denis Hulme, the car is a McLaren. But which one? Perhaps an M19C? Or something completely different? Case#11 
This is Hulme and a McLaren again, obviously an M23. I have no record of Denny using #57 in any World Championship Grand Prix nor practice. Is this a non-championship event? Case#12  
The year is 1983 and the driver is Stefan Johansson in a Spirit Honda Turbo. Both pictures supposed to have taken at Monza. Is this true? According to Mike Lang, there were two Spirit Honda 201s. Did one of them have a white livery and the other a red and blue one? Case#13 
The picture shows Lella Lombardi in the Lavazza March. I suspect it’s a non-championship event since Lella never used #37 in a championship race. So where did this photo had been taken? Case#14 
This is similar to the previous case, Bruce McLaren driving his own car at Brands Hatch. Is this a non-championship race or did Bruce use #34 during practices for the 1968 British Grand Prix? Case#15 
Similar to the previous two. Could this be the 1973 Race of Champions or is this Ronnie Peterson practicing for the 1973 British Grand Prix with this odd starting number? Case#16  
Similar to case#2, two Ferrari 312B2s with a different nose, driver is Clay Regazzoni. He used #6 two times in a World Championship race: in the South African and in the Spanish Grands Prix. To me both pictures look like Jarama. Did he run with two different types of Ferraris during the weekend? Case#17  
Both pictures show Jochen Rindt obviously in a Lotus72. His car sported #6 only once in 1970, that was in Austria. Did Rindt wear two different types of helmets during that weekend? Case#18  
It’s the helmet problem once again, but a difficult one I guess. Both pictures supposed to have been taken at the 1974 Swedish Grand Prix of Bertil Roos. (The name is on the car.) Did he use two helmets with a different colour scheme? Case#19  
Similar to case#12. Both pictures show Huub Rothengatter during the 1984 Dutch Grand Prix weekend. Did he drive two Spirit Harts with a different colour scheme? Case#20 
This is most interesting! AFAIK the six-wheeler March 2-4-0 only competed in hillclimbs, but this picture shows Ian Scheckter driving the car perhaps at Interlagos. (Look at the barrier at the background.) What’s the story behind this picture? Case#21  [img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case21/th2.jpg[/img]
This is Tim Schenken driving a Brabham BT33. According to Steve Small’s ‘Who’s, Who’, the car on the left was the one that helped the Aussie to finish third in the Austrian GP. I very much doubt that! According to Alan Henry’s ‘Brabham, the Grand Prix Cars’, Schenken drove the car with a ‘normal’ nose as seen in the other picture. So what’s the truth? When did Brabham introduce the ‘aerodinamic’ nose? Case#22 [img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case22/th1.jpg[/img] The picture shows Marc Surer in an Ensign, but where? Looks like Rio to me, but I’m not sure! What confuses me more is this picture! The paint job behind the driver’s head is different. Did the Ensign team paint over the Columbian flag overnight? (For the full story, click here.) Case#23 [img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case23/th1.jpg[/img] [img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case23/th2.jpg[/img] [img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case23/th3.jpg[/img] Another of those mysterious Japanese entries! This should be Noritake Takahara’s car, with which he participated in the 1977 Japanese GP. In the first and third picture the starting number is in the middle of the front wing, on the second picture, it is on the right. (This is the case in the photo I’ve found in David Hodges’s ‘Formula Racing Cars’ as well.) Did the Japanese change the position of the starting number during the weekend? Any other suggestions? Case#24 [img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case24/th1.jpg[/img] I’m totally puzzled by this picture! The caption says: ‘Trevor Taylor – Watkins Glen 1964.’ The starting number fits that idea, though! So it’s like a little 8W  Who?, Where? What?
Case#25 [img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case25/th1.jpg[/img] And finally… a relatively simple case! This picture shows Derek Warwick and his Toleman in 1983. I’m not sure about the scene. Is this Zandvoort or Zeltweg? |
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Mar 25 2003, 21:51
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Geza - busy TNF day this - I've been flicking on and off and every time something interesting pops up.
Your No 3 is an early example of tobacco advertising sensitivity - but in this case I think due to clashing sponsorship deals? - No 5 looks like the classic Monza shot from the gantry on the approach to the Curva Parabolica at the end of the back straight, and it's plainly Jimmy in the H16 BRM-engined Lotus 43 running under 'Geki's Type 33 number during practice - No 6 looks like Graham in practice at Oulton Park for the 1967 Gold Cup race, but that looks like a roadway in the background which could place the shot as the start of the rise to Ex-Muhle just beyond Adenau Bridge on the Nurburgring...which is odd, 'cos he was race number 4 there and Jim Clark had '3', but Graham did crash in practice and might have taken out Jim's car, I can't recall and won't look it up just now - I'm sure somebody more energetic will - No 7 is definitely Phil's ATS in the Parabolica at Monza, it's a Geoff Goddard pic presumably therefore used uncredited by Forix??? (  ) 
No 8 is recognisably Phil in the Eagle-Climax 4-cyl car in the Parabolica at Monza - distinctive sand trap on the outfield - No 24 looks VERY much like Jim Hall in the BRP Lotus-BRM 24 at Monaco 1963 - note 'Monaco' nose, car is braking on the entry to the Gazometre Hairpin on the harbour-front. No 25 looks very much like Zandvoort to my eye... DCN |
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Mar 25 2003, 22:01
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Originally posted by Geza Sury
The Hoshino '76 car is a Tyrrell 007 (fairly heavily modified, it doesn't look much like Otto Stuppacher's or Pesenti-Rossi's cars to me!) entered by Heros Racing. He qualified a few rows off the back but ran out of tyres in the rain! pete |
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Mar 25 2003, 22:08
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Geza,
Case 10 is Denny's M19A at the 1971 British GP (practice) I don't know if they tried the full-width nose anywhere else, but they dfefinitely ran it here. Case 11 is Denny at the 1973 race of Champions Case 13 is Lombardi at the Nürburgring, 1976 GP. Case 15: Ronnie used no. 41 on the T-car at Silverstone 1973 |
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Mar 25 2003, 22:18
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Originally posted by Doug Nye
No 6 looks like Graham in practice at Oulton Park for the 1967 Gold Cup race, but that looks like a roadway in the background which could place the shot as the start of the rise to Ex-Muhle just beyond Adenau Bridge on the Nurburgring... The thought that it could be Oulton Park also occurred to me. But I have no way of saying it is, and it does look like one of those familiar 'ring settings. No 7 is definitely Phil's ATS in the Parabolica at Monza, it's a Geoff Goddard pic presumably therefore used uncredited by Forix??? (
) John Medley tells about gathering photos for his Bathurst book, and he says that one bloke has photos so identical to ones he took himself that he must have been standing right next to him... both out on the circuit and in the pits. Is it not possible that Geoff Goddard had a companion that day? No 8 is recognisably Phil in the Eagle-Climax 4-cyl car in the Parabolica at Monza - distinctive sand trap on the outfield -
But Phil never drove an openwheeler in a race after March, 1965... No 25 looks very much like Zandvoort to my eye...
Agreed... but a less than usual place for a Zandvoort pic. Some interesting spotting there, Geza... now, for a fresh response... Rindt had some motion sickness problems and was wont to switch from the Bell Star back to an open face hat at some circuits. I think this explains your 'case 17.' And I'd say the Denny Hulme M23 pic is from a Race of Champions... that is Brands, isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong, there isn't really enough background, and this monitor is fading to 'too dark' for me to be able to see the colour of the bitumen. |
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Mar 25 2003, 22:34
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Number 5: Clark was entered in number 20 and Geki in 22, but for some reason they changed numbers before the race.
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Mar 25 2003, 22:53
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Case 18 I have sometimes wondered over, as he is using his usual helmet in the Swedish national colours on one pic and a plain white on the other. I am not certain, but the plain white one is probably a borrowed helmet for some reason. I have no other explanation. Both pics are from Anderstorp though.
Case 17 is probably the same case, Rindt probably tried a full face helmet during the weekend? Case 25 is definately Zandvoort. |
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Mar 25 2003, 23:45
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Case 12: Both cars had the white livery at Silverstone. It's possible that the photo on the right was taken there, or at another race prior to Monza.
Case 13: The car Lombardi is driving is a Brabham BT44, not a March. Case 20: Looks like testing at Silverstone to me. I don't remember the 6 wheeler ever actually appearing at a GP. I believe the claim of it practicing at Interlagos is entirely spurious. Case 22: I don't know about the Ensign story, but I can claim to have witnessed the mysterious Ricardo Londono-Bridge in his one and only race in the Colin Bennett Lotus 78 at the 1980 Silverstone Aurora F1 race! |
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Mar 26 2003, 01:39
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No 7 Phil Hill, ATS have seen this photo publishe quite a lot.
No 14 Didnt Bruce win the Race of Champions at Brands in this car. Not sure of the number |
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Mar 26 2003, 07:37
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Thank you everybody for help and comments so far! TNF is simply unbeatable
I would like to reply to some of your comments: Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
I also thought that, but according to Forix he used #33 there. Dolomite is right, it's not a March, but a Brabham BT44B without the high airbox.
Case 13 is Lombardi at the Nürburgring, 1976 GP. Originally posted by dolomite
The Hoshino '76 car is a Tyrrell 007 (fairly heavily modified, it doesn't look much like Otto Stuppacher's or Pesenti-Rossi's cars to me!)
Case 20: Looks like testing at Silverstone to me. Makes more sense than my original thought of Interlagos. It could be Silverstone, but could it be another British track? Can someone identify the track from the barrier in the background? Originally posted by dolomite
It's definately a Tyrrell, but did Hoshino run with two different types of front wing in Japan?
The Hoshino '76 car is a Tyrrell 007 (fairly heavily modified, it doesn't look much like Otto Stuppacher's or Pesenti-Rossi's cars to me!) |
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Mar 26 2003, 08:36
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Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson Case 13 is Lombardi at the Nürburgring, 1976 GP. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also thought that, but according to Forix he used #33 there. Dolomite is right, it's not a March, but a Brabham BT44B without the high airbox. "He" was the only woman to score WC points (actually half a point, Spain 1975). She was dropped by March after the first race in 1976 and, despite several qualifying attempts in a Brabham, drove in only one more GP (Austria). |
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Mar 26 2003, 08:54
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[QUOTE]I also thought that, but according to Forix he used #33 there. QUOTE]
According to my sources, including Sheldon, she raced no. 37. There wasn't a no.33 in the entry. Or maybe it was changed from 33 to 37? |
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Mar 26 2003, 10:26
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Case 1 According to GPI magazine photo S Johansson has an angled back front wing taken during the race ,so maybe M.Alboreto tryed it also on saturday. An that is definately the IMOLA pits with the yellow fencing.
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Mar 26 2003, 10:46
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In case #1, I think the pictures are not of the same car. In addition to the front wing, there is a small sticker on the bottom front corner of the sidepod of the car pictured in the pitlane (left hand pic) which does appear in the other picture. Was the spare car used at Imola that year?
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Mar 26 2003, 10:47
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Case 12 GPI magazine says White car is the original F2 car chassis turned into F1 1983 an the red /white /blue car is 1984 the 1st real SPRIT -HONDA f1 car.
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Mar 26 2003, 11:50
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These are both 1983 chassis - the car was Hart-powered in 1984. The 1983 Spirit was red/white/blue by the time of the European GP at Brands, not sure when it changed.
For what it's worth the red/white/blue photo looks like Monza, not convinced that the white car is - How about Germany or Austria? |
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Mar 26 2003, 12:14
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Originally posted Jeremy Jackson
Case 15: Ronnie used no. 41 on the T-car at Silverstone 1973 I can vouch for this because I took the photograph  
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Mar 26 2003, 12:15
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Unless I'm very much mistaken (and I often am!!)
Case 1 can be found in Australia being very carefully punted around (for example) Eastern Creek HSRCA meetings in September. Oh what I would give to change places with Guido!! 
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Mar 26 2003, 12:26
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Case 17:
Rindt had number 6 in Austria but he had it in France as well. However, the yellow sticker on the rear wing endplate tells that both pics were taken in Austria....Also, in France, there were GKN and Shell stickers while in Austria GKN and that yellow strip were present. So, both pics are definitly from Austria. Rindt switched several times between those two helmets during 1970, probably according to weather conditions. Therefore, it's nothing unusual to see him with both during the same weekend. Hrvoje |
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Mar 26 2003, 12:43
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As I posted earlier, Rindt was having problems with motion sickness with the Bell Star... that was reported in race reports.
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Mar 26 2003, 20:15
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Now I am back home with my books, my contribution...
Case #6 Saturday morning practice at the Nurburgring in 1967 (as DCN says). Motor Sport magazine has Hill out in Clark's car ( 49/R2). Case #12 The Spirit changed from the all white livery to red/white/blue at Zandvoot in 1983. The picture in white livery is from Hockenheim in 1983 (I think). Case #14 Bruce McLaren during Friday morning practice for the 1968 British at Brands. Motor Sport magazine has him using No.34 for this session only Case #19 This is the reply I got from Hans Hulsebos (who took one of the pictures) when I contacted him last year..... "Yes, the Spirit of Rothengatter was painted orange indeed, but only for the race. The pictures are all taken during Friday and/or Saturday practice/qualifying when the car was in it's usual white paint. Imagine my surprise on race-morning when I saw the car suddenly painted orange. I haven't got any pictures from the race, because I had a grandstand ticket for that. Great to watch the race but not for taking pictures." Case #21 1971 Autocourse - A photograph of Schenken in the wide nosed Brabham at Osterreichring, so Steve Small looks correct. The second picture of Tim in No.8 is from the 1971 British at Silverstone. I hope this helps... Rob |
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Mar 26 2003, 21:35
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Wow Rob, a big thank you to you
 This is simply great
Originally posted by Rob Ryder
[B]Case #21 1971 Autocourse - A photograph of Schenken in the wide nosed Brabham at Osterreichring, so Steve Small looks correct. The second picture of Tim in No.8 is from the 1971 British at Silverstone. [/B] In this case, Alan Henry is wrong! I said we'd find interesting things
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Mar 26 2003, 22:46
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The lissome Lella Lombardi ran no.37 at the German GP 1976.
Brabham BT44. DNS with a practice time of 7.51.1. Didn't make the race because the RAM team's cars were impounded following legal action by Loris Kessel. Stommelen, who was originally entered by RAM took over the spare works car and finished 6th. |
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Mar 27 2003, 10:12
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Originally posted by Rob Ryder
Case #12 The Spirit changed from the all white livery to red/white/blue at Zandvoot in 1983. The picture in white livery is from Hockenheim in 1983 (I think). The white car is surely not Monza, there are no left handers like that at Monza, the only left hander is Ascari which is different looking. It could be Hockenheim, after the exit of Sachs Kurve. Nem kis munkát fejezel be az biztos!
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Mar 27 2003, 23:07
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Forgive me if somebody has already mentioned this; #3 is not the 1972 Belgian GP, but the 1973 German GP.
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Mar 28 2003, 07:25
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Once again, thanks everybody for your valuable help!
Originally posted by Roger Clark
Forgive me if somebody has already mentioned this; #3 is not the 1972 Belgian GP, but the 1973 German GP. Roger, do you know the story behind this picture? Was tobacco advertising already forbidden in Germany at that time? |
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Mar 28 2003, 22:04
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Originally posted by Geza Sury
Once again, thanks everybody for your valuable help!
Roger, do you know the story behind this picture? Was tobacco advertising already forbidden in Germany at that time? The following is from the Autosport race report: "Because of a voluntary (lest it be compulsory) ban on tobacco advertising in the Bundesrepublik, certain teams appeared in modified livery. Every reference to the Evil Weed had to be removed from cars, transporters, uniforms, even minibikes, thus great yawning gaps appeared in certain well-planned colour schemes - sometimes to their aesthetic advantage! More yards of tape were used this weekend in covering up names than ever have been seen holding race cars together" and this in Motor Sport: "Those teams sponsored by tobacco companies had some real time-wasting work to do, for the German Government had decreed that there would be no form of tobacco advertising at the Grand Prix, with the result that BRM, Lotus, Williams and Graham Hill had to erase their sponsors' names from the cars, the transporters, the drivers' and mechanics' overalls, the team personnel clothing and so on. The stripping of the power of John Player, Marlboro and Embassy was as a result of pressure applied br German tobacco firms who do not approve of racing or any other sports, and the German Government gave support to their faction. In consequence Fittipaldi and Peterson were entered by JPTL and were driving JPS, Graham Hill was entered by E. Racing and was driving a Shadow, Ragazzoni, Beltoise and Lauda were driving BRM cars entered by BRM of Bourne, and Frank Williams entered two ISO cars driven by Ganley and Pescarolo. As I have always considered a Lotus 72 to be a Lotus 72, a BRM to be a BRM and Frank Williams' cars to be Williams Specials, the whole scene in Germany bore some resemblance to reality." |
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Mar 28 2003, 22:12
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Originally posted by Roger Clark
.....The stripping of the power of John Player, Marlboro and Embassy was as a result of pressure applied br German tobacco firms..... The ultimate irony! So today everyone pays, of course... especially enthusiasts with a notion that tradition plays a part, and that the grand circuits of the past deserve special consideration. |
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Mar 29 2003, 01:33
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Haven't worked through the rest yet, but pic 6 is Hill in Clark's 49 in last practise session Nurburgring 67. Hill had crashed his own car so many times that it was suddenly realised that he had not completed enough laps to qualify for the race. He was given a loan of Clark's car, with much begging that he bring this one back in one piece.
Part of Hill's problems stemmed from overcooled brakes, the 49 running the original exposed ventilated discs. Lotus swapped over to non ventilated solid discs after this race to maintain brake temperature with racing pads. Pic 11 of Hulme. I wonder if this could be Hulme's last GP, the US of 74. Hulme's car broke down early in the race and he pulled into the pits. Climbing out the car from his much shortened last race, Hulme spies the spare McLaren sitting there ready to go. So Denny true to character, climbs in a drives off and completes around 10 laps before the organisers realise they have an extra car not on the starting line up. Denny gets black flagged pulls into the pits laughing his head off. Can you imagine Nax's reaction to something like that today. |
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Mar 31 2003, 07:18
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Thank You Roger and JtP
Most of the cases have been solved now. What remains unclear is Case#2, Case#4, Case#16, Case#22 and Case#23. I know these are difficult ones to solve except for the Ferrari pictures! I'm surprised no-once has come up with the solution
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Mar 31 2003, 17:08
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Case 16 the picture on the left looks like Kyalami to me, whereas the other one looks more like Jarama.
Case 22 is surely the wet race at Rio '81. |
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Mar 31 2003, 19:21
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#2: At Kyalami: Andretti practiced with a narrow nose, but raced with a wide one.
#16: At Jarama Ferrari tried both noses in practice, but raced with narrow ones. |
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Nov 11 2003, 22:20
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I found the solution for Case #8, the Phil Hill mystery. It's indeed Phil driving the car! The very same picture has appeared in Tim Considine's 'American Grand Prix Racing' book. The quote beside the picture is:
Look closely. It's Phil Hill practicing the four-cylinder Eagle at Monza in 1966. Gurney had the untested Weslake V12 in an Eagle for the first time at the Italian Grand Prix, but entered the four-cylinder just in case. Though he was by no means through racing, it would be the last time the American Champion Hill would ever drove a Formula One car in a Grand Prix weekend. Appropriotely, it was Monza, where Hill had became the first American to win a Formula One race and where he won again in 1961, to clinch the World Championship.
It seems that the starting numbers of AAR were reversed during the weekend, because the picture mentioned above clearly shows the Climax-engined car despite it has #30 on the bodywork. Gurney drove the Weslake-engined car with this number in the race. |
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Nov 12 2003, 00:36
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RE: Your photo #20
Having worked at March in 1976, the 6 wheeler shown certainly didn't go to Interlagos.......we did try running it a couple of times at Silverstone, but no "Fly-Away" races. some very interesting photos.... |
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Nov 12 2003, 12:27
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G Lentz
Interesting to hear that, who drove (Ganley ??) and what did he think of it. Who else drove it in testing, do you remember. Having worked at March at that time, I guess you've some very interesting stories, care to tell us any !! Dan |
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Nov 12 2003, 13:31
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I worked out of the March shop that was in Reading (formerly the Chris Amon engine shop) from where we ran the F1 cars for Stuck and (a couple of times) Merzario. The main factory at Bicester is where the F1 cars for Brambilla and Peterson were run from, in addition to the development and the new "bits"................I never went on any of their testing outings with the 6 wheeler, but it's not my recollection that it ever got close to competitive speeds and/or reliability-or you can bet your bottom dollar that we would have run it!
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Nov 12 2003, 19:06
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Originally posted by JtP
Pic 11 of Hulme. I wonder if this could be Hulme's last GP, the US of 74. Hulme's car broke down early in the race and he pulled into the pits. Climbing out the car from his much shortened last race, Hulme spies the spare McLaren sitting there ready to go. So Denny true to character, climbs in a drives off and completes around 10 laps before the organisers realise they have an extra car not on the starting line up. Denny gets black flagged pulls into the pits laughing his head off. Can you imagine Nax's reaction to something like that today. I hate to be the one to spoil a good story, but the Bear didn't pull this stunt at his last Grand Prix. He did it, however, at the German GP some two months before, when he did 2 laps in Emmo's spare car, with 5T, after having put his own no. 6 in the guardrail avoiding a stationary team mate. His final race was a much quieter affair as this report in Autosport indicates: The luck of the day caught up to Denny Hulme first. After but four laps his engine blew up. He packed his bag and, with the race still going on all sides, hustled himself over to a helicopter. He left no message, no statement, but a photographer intercepted him on his way. "Denny, what about it? Tell us." "Yeah", said Dennis Clive Hulme over his shoulder. "I'm retired." The photographer said he was smiling broadly.
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Nov 12 2003, 19:43
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... and someone (OK, it was me) had rather earlier decided where the photo was anyway...
Case 11 is Denny at the 1973 race of Champions
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Nov 13 2003, 02:05
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Member Posts: 669 Joined: March 03 |
For #22, it sure looks like its raining out, or else Surer's having mechanical difficulties. That may narrow it down a smidge. For #23, the nosecone looks different between the left hand and center pictures-there are deflectors in front of the front wheels on the left pic, the are not there (or are shorter) in the center pic. I think there may have been two nosecones used during the course of the weekend.
Just guessin'! -William |
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Nov 13 2003, 06:23
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Member Posts: 486 Joined: July 03 |
Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
... and someone (OK, it was me) had rather earlier decided where the photo was anyway... quote: Case 11 is Denny at the 1973 race of Champions ;) ...as can be seen by the livery, Yardley in 1973 and Texaco-Marlboro in 1974... but I was really just commenting on the story of the Bear switching cars mid-race... |
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