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[Barry Boor]

Having drawn a blank with the Starrabba pictures (thanks to those who pointed me to the recent pictures of the red Lotus) here's another long shot....

I have several pictures that I took myself of the yellow Emeryson that is currently active on the Historic racing scene, BUT, does anyone have any original images of the cars that Equipe National Belge ran in the early 1960s? Either in Coventry Climax or Maserati engined form, I don't mind which.

[Peter Morley]

Barry

I do have some somewhere, I found as much as I could while we were restoring the yellow Emeryson that is now taking part in historic races (I'm told the current performances do not reflect it's potential).

I even found some of it in a later rebodied form (not the sharknosed ENB monstrosity) when it was being tested at what Ryanair call Brussels South airport.

But I'm off to Estoril tomorrow (the girlfriend thinks we are going to Lisbon!) you'll have to wait until I'm back from there late next week.................

Peter

[Paul Taylor]

Do you mean images such as this?:



(Source: http://www.motorsportsalmanac.com/)

Also check out here as there is one big picture of it at the top:

http://8w.forix.com/enb.html

[Pedro 917]

I've found this picture in a French encyclopedia from the mid-seventies (Alpha-Auto) :


(cliché Quattroruote)

It was taken in 1961, most probably during a practice run.

I've found 2 pictures in John Thompson's "The Formula One record Book" taken during the Brussels GP in 1961 (all 3 cars) but due to the copyright, can't put them here.

[Barry Boor]

No, Paul, these pictures are of the E.N.B, which may well have been derived from the Emerysons but the picture above, from Pedro 917, is the car I'm looking for. Thanks, Pedro!

[Paul Taylor]

I apologise

[Rob Ryder]

Barry
I've emailed you a few pictures...
Rob

[GIGLEUX]

From the book of Ch.Moity, The Monaco GP


n°10 Bianchi


n°12 Gendebien

[Barry Boor]

Jean-Maurice, that first picture you have posted is THE one I had in mind. I am assuming that as these cars had Maserati engines, that stripe would be red. Would you agree?

Thanks for the images too, Rob. Isn't it amazing that none of the Maserati engined pictures show the exhaust?

[GIGLEUX]

Yes Barry, I agree they had a red stripe, as the ENB of 1962 had too.

[Barry Boor]

EXCELLENT, Jean-Maurice, many thanks.

Now I am REALLY looking forward to completing these cars. I think I shall make the intake cover lump as an add on.

[Barry Boor]

Apropos of nothing at all, can anyone identify the car behind Gendebien's Emeryson in Gigleux's second picture?

I guess it is an F.J. car as it looks like a Lotus 21 but #40 (if indeed it is #40) in 1961 was von Trips' Ferrari.

[Roger Clark]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Apropos of nothing at all, can anyone identify the car behind Gendebien's Emeryson in Gigleux's second picture?

I guess it is an F.J. car as it looks like a Lotus 21 but #40 (if indeed it is #40) in 1961 was von Trips' Ferrari.

Is it not Ireland's Lotus, and number 30?

[Don Capps]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
No, Paul, these pictures are of the E.N.B, which may well have been derived from the Emerysons....

Originally posted by Paul Taylor
I apologise

From 8W.... http://8w.forix.com/enb.html

[Don Capps]

Comparing the pictures posted by our good friend GIGLEUX with another photo taken by Louis Stanley of the Bianchi car -- and you have two photos of the same car. The No. 10 of Bianchi did not have the stripe and the mirror set up is completely different. When I saw the photos, something simply did not click into place. So....

And, the car numbering for the FJ race took up from where that of the GP left off at 52....

The car in the background has wobblies, looks very much like the 21 -- I have been peering closely at the rollbar (or what pretends to be one....) -- and trying to figure out if Our Innes smacked the snoot on Thursday or earlier on Saturday....

[Roger Clark]

Originally posted by Don Capps


The car in the background has wobblies, looks very much like the 21 -- I have been peering closely at the rollbar (or what pretends to be one....) -- and trying to figure out if Our Innes smacked the snoot on Thursday or earlier on Saturday....

You don't have to do that, Don.

Picture from Autocourse.

[Reyna]

Two more Emeryson pics.


Monaco '61, Gendebien.
Source: "Grand Prix 1961, Louis Stanley"




Monaco '61, Bianchi.
Source: "Grand Prix 1961, Louis Stanley".

[Barry Boor]

Yes, Don, we have uncovered another anomaly. I wonder if the Stanley picture is a actually a completely different car.

[Roger Clark]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Yes, Don, we have uncovered another anomaly. I wonder if the Stanley picture is a actually a completely different car.

Bianchi and Gendebien swapped cars at one stage during practice. Is it possible that Gigleux' two pictures are the same car?

[GIGLEUX]

Not only they changed cars but they also used long and short noses. They did the same at the Bruxelles GP some 5 weeks before.


1961 Bruxelles GP Gendebien


1961 Bruxelles GP Mairesse on the proto Emeryson-Climax (on loan to replace 1001 which was badly damaged at Pau) in front of Bianchi Emeryson-Maserati and Burgess with the Camoradi Lotus-Climax 18.
One car with the red stripe (Bianchi), the other one without (Gendebien).
Both pictures from The F1 Record Book.

[Don Capps]

As soon as I shut down, I thought about Autocourse and there was the Ireland picture that I somehow thought was in the Autosport report.... I just couldn't think of where I saw it.

Stanley certainly seems to show two different cars and the original pictures posted show how the numbers were simply switched to the Gendebien chassis while Bianchi tried it out.

Too bad there isn't a modern Profile series to record such efforts as what this one little thread could lead to for the entire marque and its niche in racing.

[Barry Boor]

With thanks again to those who have supplied me with all those excellent images, here is my humble effort at the first of the 2 car team...


This one has Willy Mairesse aboard and is ready to run at Syracuse next weekend.

It has no exhaust pipe as none of the large number of pictures supplied to me show exactly where it came out! (But then, you wouldn't see it from this angle anyway!)

I like it, but then I have always been quite partial to red and yellow racing cars...

[Paul Taylor]

Very nice!

[Vicuna]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
I like it, but then I have always been quite partial to red and yellow racing cars...

I guess you'd liked to have seen more cars in Spanish racing colours.

ps nice work Barry

[GIGLEUX]

Barry, I was sure having them. After diging in my archives...





Gendebien, Pau 1961



Always Gendebien at Pau

[starlet]

Jean-Maurice,

Your archives are every time very interesting.

Thanks, to share them ...

[Reyna]

Magnifique, Gigleux !!!!!

[Paul Taylor]

They didn't think of aesthetics when designing that Emeryson, did they?

[GIGLEUX]

Originally posted by Paul Taylor
They didn't think of aesthetics when designing that Emeryson, did they?

It seems the answer was definitively NO!!!



The Emeryson-Climax chassis as presented at the 1961 Bruxelles Car Show. Looking better than with the body!

[GIGLEUX]

The belgian Emeryson mutation.

Pau 1962, Jo Schlesser in his old Cooper in front of Lucien Bianchi's ENB-Maserati, born Emeryson,
Heinz Schiller's Porsche 718, Jo Siffert's Lotus 21 and Ian Burgess with his Cooper Special.

[Don Capps]

Jean-Maurice, I really like that picture from Pau. It is so rare to see good color photos of the "backmarkers" from those days. Even the pathetic ENB almost looks decent in color -- and at a distance.....

[Barry Boor]

What a great picture! Many thanks for posting it Gigleux. Now I know what colour Bianchi's helmet was. And I can make a Cooper for Schlesser. I have everal spare Cooper bodies.

If only the Cooper special at the back was larger. That's the car Doug Nye challenged me to make but I have no pictures of it in that side-radiator form.

[fines]

Agreed, very nice photo!

[GIGLEUX]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
If only the Cooper special at the back was larger. That's the car Doug Nye challenged me to make but I have no pictures of it in that side-radiator form.

Ask to him Barry: there is a picture of the car with n°17 at the 1962 Aintree 200, in the book of Doug:
"Autocourse history of the GP car 1945-1965"...

[Roger Clark]

He's right! Do you want to see a copy next Tuesday Barry?

[Barry Boor]

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

[GIGLEUX]

Barry, as I doubt you can wait quietly, have it at Pau 1962.



And another rarity, the CEGGA-Maserati; always Pau 1962. On the right is Chapman looking at the car.
Both pictures from Sport-Auto.

[Barry Boor]

Thanks, again, Jean-Maurice.

I am fascinated by the exhaust system on the Cegga Maserati. All the other Maserati-powered cars from that era have a low exhaust on the other side. Does this car have a different Maserati engine, I wonder?

[GIGLEUX]

Sure the two possibilities existed. A guess for our Maserati-specialisted friends!
I remember that at Pau 1961, the Sc.Centro-Sud entered and raced two Cooper-Maserati, one for Cabral and the other for Bandini. Nothing to say except that one had the exhaust on the right side and the other on the left one!

[GIGLEUX]

Pau 1961 Bandini's Centro Sud Cooper-Maserati. Exhaust on the right side.



Pau 1961 Cabral's Centro Sud Cooper-Maserati. Exhaust on the left side!

[Barry Boor]

.....and now there are 2.

[GIGLEUX]

Fine job Barry. We are now awaiting the Burgess's Cooper Sp!!!

[Barry Boor]

Thank you, J-M!

I must get down to some RACING, so the Cooper may not arrive for some time.

Plus, of course, my next 3 weekends are somewhat busy - Oulton Park, Goodwood, Malta!

[Barry Boor]

The Cooper mentioned above is now finished.

See the 'Rubbish' thread.

[GIGLEUX]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
The Cooper mentioned above is now finished.

See the 'Rubbish' thread.

Yes Barry, I saw it: great! At last you manage to do it.