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#1151 Keir

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 14:41

Murph,

You have outdone yourself !! 10 out of 10 !!

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#1152 Peter Darley

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 16:12

Originally posted by murph27

Pics of Amon and JYS..... taken Friday and Saturday before Cevert's accident




JYS talking to Derek Gardner

#1153 FLB

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 17:09

Ah Murph, you just gave me goosebumps! :clap: :love: The 1983 Canadian Grand Prix was my first race meeting at a road course. Until then, I had only attended a national drag race at Sanair.

#1154 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 17:21

In the shot of Hunt, Hailwood & Emmo on the grid, any ideas chaps who that is at bottom left in yellow overalls wearing the Gulf jacket and any of the other characters in the pic?

#1155 JamesPage

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 17:30

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
In the shot of Hunt, Hailwood & Emmo on the grid, any ideas chaps who that is at bottom left in yellow overalls wearing the Gulf jacket and any of the other characters in the pic?


Is second from the right Alastair Caldwell? Chap to his right looks a bit like Beltoise, but wouldn't he have been competing?!

#1156 Michael Oliver

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 17:34

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
In the shot of Hunt, Hailwood & Emmo on the grid, any ideas chaps who that is at bottom left in yellow overalls wearing the Gulf jacket and any of the other characters in the pic?


Andrew: the chap in the yellow ear defenders is Rex Hart, who was Ronnie Peterson's mechanic in 1973 at JPS Team Lotus. Stating the obvious I guess but the guy in the Gulf jacket might be a McLaren mechanic?

#1157 ace woodington

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 17:21

It's Dave Luff in the blue jacket and yellow shirt

#1158 Simon Arron

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 10:42

Originally posted by Alan Cox

Didn't Mark Thatcher drive the Sparton on one occasion - oh, sorry, Dan, you said it was a "Celebrity" car



Of all the topics to choose for a first post... Mark Thatcher raced a Royale RP28M, Alan. It was basically a modified RP26: I think the M stood for methanol (or Mazola, or whatever it was they put in Formula Talbot tanks).

Mike Wilds subbed at Oulton Park once when the car's usual occupant was unavailable (or possibly lost in the Sahara). Five cars started, a couple went off at Fosters on lap one and Wilds won by about a fortnight.

Thatcher didn't have a great track record at Oulton: he once rolled a Debenhams "celebrity" Escort during qualifying and then repeated the trick in the race. Both at Old Hall, if memory serves, so at least his driving had some thread of consistency.

#1159 Twin Window

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 10:49

Welcome, matey! :wave:

:up:

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#1160 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 10:50

Welcome Simon. Good to see you here.
Correct, the Royale was a converted RP26 and Thatcher's car
(entered by Webby at Brands Hatch Racing?) had 'No petrol'
on the cockpit sides IIRC.

#1161 Alan Cox

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 10:51

Welcome Simon. Good to see you here at last. I look forward to a lot more of your insightful comments.

I know a lot of people will be very pleased to see you here.

#1162 murph27

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 19:12

Here are some more pics I took at the 1973 USGP at Watkins Glen. As stated earlier in this thread, I was "cemented" into one or two areas so the pics look awfuly similar........


The first "grouping" are pics of the BRM team.....


Clay.....

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Niki....

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J P Beltoise

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Next grouping is of MARCH..... sans Hunt

Mike Buetler

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Jumper......

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#1163 Rob Ryder

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 19:23

You've made a BRM fan very happy (again) :up:

#1164 murph27

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 19:26

1973 USGP at Watkins Glen.


To many of us Yanks in the early 70's, the McLaren team was our favorite........ McLaren dominated the Can Am series and McLaren's were also very competitive at Indy....... Teddy Mayer, Tyler Alexander, and Peter Revson had our attention as well !!!


Peter Revson..... (my wife's favorite driver....can't figure out why......hmmmm)

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Revson and Teddy Mayer

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The Bear and the Baby Bear at the Glen.......

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Team Surtees......

Mass and Carlos Pace.......

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I have to play with a few more......Lotus, Brabham, and UOP Shadow.....
will try to post them by the end of the week

ciao

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#1165 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 19:55

Sensational, thanks again murph!

#1166 Twin Window

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 21:15

Originally posted by Rob Ryder

You've made a BRM fan very happy (again) :up:

Likewise! :love:

#1167 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 22:36

Who was footing Jarier's bill that weekend?

#1168 sterling49

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 23:45

Great photos, the M23 looks superb in it's Yardley colours, but I actually preferred the strip of the Yardley BRM, however they look good in their Marlboro colours, a pity they lost the sponsorship, look what it did for McLaren and Ferrari. :

#1169 philippe7

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:04

Originally posted by David M. Kane
Who was footing Jarier's bill that weekend?


Probably french furniture tycoon Marcel Arnold , long time ( and discreet ) personal sponsor of Jarier from his beginnings thru to the end of 74 at least.

I don't have all my old paper files at hand, but from what I remember when Jarier was entered during the second half of the 1973 season he used the 731 G which had been previously sometimes used by David Purley . The "works" STP sponsored car had of course been destroyed in Roger Williamson's tragic accident and the team probably didn't bother to have the other car repainted , and just kept the dark blue colour in which it had been painted for Purley's LEC sponsor.

#1170 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:10

Is it me or does the rear rim on Jarier's March look a bit 'bent' at the top?

#1171 eldougo

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:41

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Great pics Murph .....thanks.

Andrew that rear wheel is Soooofar out of round that they have had to add loads of lead weight to the inside of the rim to keep the balance and taped over with silver race tape.

#1172 David M. Kane

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 13:27

Phillippe thanks, Andrew the rim DOES look bent...sharp eyes...

#1173 Keir

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 14:27

Murph,

Great Revson shots !!

#1174 Mallory Dan

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 15:30

Originally posted by David M. Kane
Who was footing Jarier's bill that weekend?


From the colour of the letters around the cockpit.... Raymond Mays perhaps!

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 00:41

I came across this photo today. Reims 1960.

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#1176 murph27

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 13:48

More pics from the 1973 USGP at Watkins Glen..............


1973 was the first year for the UOP Shadows.................

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George Follmer at speed

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Jackie Oliver on Friday

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Brabham......


Wilson Fittipaldi

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Lole....... qualified on the front row (with Ronnie on pole)......and finished 3rd

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I took this pic of John Watson in the Kendall Garage....... this was taken a short while after
Cevert's fatal accident when everybody seemed numb.......

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will post the Lotus pics later in the day......

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#1177 Keir

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 14:18

More, more, more !!

Sorry, but I miss those great days at the Glen !!

#1178 murph27

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 18:20

Well......this is the last installment of "murph goes to the 1973 USGP at Watkins Glen.
Looking back on that weekend 33 years ago.............

1) Tragedy struck on Saturday morning with the death of Francois Cevert
2) JYS retires Saturday evening....with his 3rd WDC.
3) James Hunt shows his stuff with his 2nd place.
4) I left for the Glen on Wednesday night.....when I returned home late Sunday the world
had changed...the Yom Kippur War had started and with it came the Arab Oil embargo.
5) Lots of changes in F1 to come........ Emmo, Clay, Niki, and Jody head for new digs......
Revson switches to UOP Shadow but dies in South Africa a few months later........
McLaren hooks up with Marlboro and Texaco.......
Ferrari has huge shake up..... Luca is put in charge & Ferrari concentrates on F1 and
leaves the Prototype series........


Here are the Lotus pics from the weekend and a couple pics of the "podium"......


Emmo pics.......

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Pics of Ronnie.......Ronnie won the race from pole......


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And finally...2 pics from the podium....... Chris Economaki on the mike...... Besides James
and Ronnie...... Colin, his Lordship, and Barbo can be seen.......


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Damn, that was fun........ sure wish us plain Joe's had access like that today !!!
The "Good Old Days"....were the "Good Old Days" !!!!!

ciao y'all

murph

#1179 David M. Kane

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 18:23

That's Barbo over Lord Hesketh's shoulder smiling...

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#1180 sterling49

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 18:28

Originally posted by murph27

Here are the Lotus pics from the weekend and a couple pics of the "podium"......
Pics of Ronnie.......Ronnie won the race from pole......
And finally...2 pics from the podium....... Chris Economaki on the mike...... Besides James
and Ronnie...... Colin, his Lordship, and Barbo can be seen.......



murph

Great, just great photos, the Lotus 72 was just the most exciting Formula 1 car for me, just sheer beauty and purpose. Ronnie was one of my favourite drivers to, I must admit my interest waned after the Italian GP of '78.

Thank you for sharing the pictures Murph, now go and find some more please!!!! :clap:

#1181 DOHC

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 19:08

Just wonderful!

#1182 Rob Ryder

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 19:13

Following on the heels of the 'Paddock' thread, this thread will be 2 years old tomorrow..
...and is getting better and better with age :love: :clap: :up:

Thanks Murph, Alan C, Lole, David L, Andrew K and many many others!
Rob

#1183 Frank de Jong

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 11:32

Frans Oestlandt from Belgium mailed me the URL of his sites of pictures from 1966-1983:
this one and that one
These sites are basically the same, races from various Belgian tracks, FVee, Touring cars, F1, 1000 km Spa etc. I like this one:
http://www.gyle.be/m...=382&fullsize=1
Very atmospheric shots - and some unique ones.

#1184 Bondurand

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 13:40

Amazing site !

I cannot thank enough those people who kept pictures from that epoch and choose to share them on the web.

A big hail to them !

#1185 ReWind

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 15:00

Originally posted by murph27
The "Good Old Days"....were the "Good Old Days" !!!!!

From today’s view it’s remarkable that all the people in the winning ceremony at Watkins Glen 1973 are apparently in good spirits despite the tragedy that befell one of their colleagues the day before. Look at the faces of James Hunt, Colin Chapman, Ronnie Peterson, Alexander Hesketh... Pure joy, not a trace of gloom.

Compare that for instance to the criticism a certain 7-time World Champion got for risking a smile or two on the winner’s rostrum slightly over 20 years later.

#1186 RTH

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 16:53

Great pictures Murph !

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 04:33

Murph Fotos espectaculares mis ojos estan asi!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Saludos from Argentina Alejandro

#1188 Bill Becketts

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 13:21

Just trying out my newfound skills at posting images...here goes :)

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#1189 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 19:28

Cadwell Park has cropped up today elsewhere - a good opportunity to share some pics I have taken at England's mini-Nurburgring. Still a beautiful circuit despite armco here and there and especially worth a visit to the HSCC and VSCC meetings. For those who have never been, a map:
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Gil de Ferran, FF1600 1989 over the mountain.
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More mountain shots. All the pics in this posting are taken from the spectator areas, the remaining ones here from the 2004 HSCC meeting.
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A perfect view from the clubhouse bar viewing area:
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Further afield. Between Coppice (the first bend) and Charlie's. Note road camber.
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Charlie's with the mountain visible through the trees.
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Looking from Charlie's to the loop out in the country.
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The Gooseneck.
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Looking back from Park straight to the start finish area.
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Reverse angle, Park straight in the distance with left hander at Mansfield.
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 20:24

Great pictures Andrew, must make an effort to visit as I have never been. Always remember a superb picture of James Hunt in the March 693 on the Mountain back in the day ;)

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 20:59

Wonderful pictures, Andrew - but I'm sure you will agree that mere photos can never do justice to the true character of the place

The HSCC have a meeting there on April 22nd next year. Do make an effort to go - Cadwell is quite unlike any other circuit in the UK. The great thing for spectators is that you can spend the whole day walking around, finding different viewing places. There are fast bits, slow bits, bits through the trees, open bits, and a memorable "launch ramp".

It's also looking likely that the April HSCC meeting will see the debut race of the Historic FF2000 Association. Watch this space........

#1192 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 21:11

Originally posted by Cirrus
Wonderful pictures, Andrew - but I'm sure you will agree that mere photos can never do justice to the true character of the place

It's also looking likely that the April HSCC meeting will see the debut race of the Historic FF2000 Association. Watch this space........


To witness the place in person is the only way to appreciate it. A friendly clubbie paddock just how it used to be and as you say Cirrus, so many different and varied viewing points. No debris fencing either for the photographers out there! They should bring F3 back - they race at Macau afterall, far more dangerous..I'll be there at the HSCC and looking forward to your FF2000 plans!

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 21:15

Between the Hairpin and Barn there used to be a cottage beside the track - here's a shot from the first time I went to Cadwell, for a bike meeting in 1985:

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I used to wonder who lived there, and whether they made a point of being elsewhere when the full or Woodland circuits were in use.

Unfortunately I didn't take a picture looking towards Barn - there really was a barn there, and they used to leave the doors open on race days when there was no armco there!


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#1194 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 21:20

It is said the occupants were paid to go out for the day. Sadly the cottage and barn no longer exist
as they were acquired by the circuit owners in recent years.

#1195 Keir

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 14:46

Cadwell is a great looking circuit - I'd love to have a crack at it !!

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 15:25

Agreed - Cadwell is one of the most interesting circuits. I've been many times (and driven lots of 'trackday' events there) and it never ceases to fascinate, such is the variety it offers. I find the thought of actually racing there quite intimidating though.

Sterling49 -
the March 693 at Cadwell... that would have Ronnie Peterson driving wouldn't it - rather than Hunt?
(Motor Sport ran such a pic from the '69 meeting. I think that might have been the first time I'd even heard of Cadwell Park.

I don't recall much of the place before going along to see Brundle and Senna (da Silva as was) in their big, and bitterly fought, F3 year. Ayrton didn't make it beyond practice, defeated by The Mountain (although I think he won a pole position that he couldn't take up!).

#1197 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 15:32

Originally posted by 2F-001
Sterling49 -
the March 693 at Cadwell... that would have Ronnie Peterson driving wouldn't it - rather than Hunt?
(Motor Sport ran such a pic from the '69 meeting. I think that might have been the first time I'd even heard of Cadwell Park.


Yep, Ronnie was in the 693. Several F3 pictures from Cadwell if you scroll through our old thread here:
http://forums.autosp...y=&pagenumber=2

#1198 David M. Kane

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 16:01

Andy Gilberg from Atlanta now owns that car. I believe he ran it in England last year.

#1199 sterling49

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 16:15

Originally posted by 2F-001

Sterling49 -
the March 693 at Cadwell... that would have Ronnie Peterson driving wouldn't it - rather than Hunt?
(Motor Sport ran such a pic from the '69 meeting. I think that might have been the first time I'd even heard of Cadwell Park.

My memory...or rather lack of it :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 16:15

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
Several F3 pictures from Cadwell if you scroll through our old thread...

Yes, but re-reading threads, especially like that one, is one of the activities that is preventing me from earning a living...!
:)