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[Disco Stu]

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Sorry, that should have been "Duff", not "Duf".

Duff raced Canadian FF1600 in 1981, a bit of Can-Am in Canada in 1982 and IMSA in 1983. Richard Hubbard is listed as being from Garland, TX so I'm wrong to suggest they could be the same person.

So why was Richards sent home to get more experience when he'd already done a 500-miler at Pocono. Maybe he'd never turned right before?

Allen

Thought that might have been it, but looking at the '84 CART media guide it says Hubbard had run Super Vees in '80 and '81 and had some formula car experience before that, so he wasn't a stranger to road courses. Maybe he was just too slow.

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by gbl

Did you took it at the Marlboro Challenge race or just before that (already has the sticker on the engine cover)?

From memory, I took it on the first day the cars ran which I guess was a Friday. Aside from that I've no idea whether it was a practice or qualifying session.

[malvi]

to gbl
1986 Indy 500 chassis #s by Hungness.
Starting cars:
One older car - Krueger`s 85C-34 (Foyt`s 1985 Indy mount).
Al Unser`s PC15 was chassis 01.
Lola T8600s: Unser jr-07,Brabham-14,Boesel-15,Simon-08,Luyendyk-05,Carter-12,Moreno-10, Mario Andretti-11.
March 86Cs: Rahal-13,Cogan-19,Mears-22,Guerrero-27,younger Andretti-17,Fittipaldi-15, Rutherford-06,Sullivan-16,Lanier-14,Gary Bettenhausen-36,Pimm-21,Garza-10,Villeneuve-03,Ganassi-24,Ongais-37,Foyt-23,Vogler-20,Snider-34,Parsons-01,Tony Bettenhausen-33,Crawford-18,Brayton-19,Sneva-31.

Qualified cars did not start(Firestone destroyed his own Lola and 2 other already qualified cars on Carb day).
Firestone: LolaT8600-06 - withdraw, because he did not have backup(actually was, but only new tub).
Dick Simon (fastest DNQr) started instead of him.
Moreno and Snider had to start from the back of the field with replacement cars(chassis listed above).
Moreno`s qualified Lola was chassis 09 and Snider`s original #84 March was chassis 08.
Mario Andretti, started from back as well ,cause he destroyed his qualified Lola complitely on may 14. (According to 86 yearbook pg 208, Bob Laycock thought it was 02 or 03).

One more addition: Ed Pimm was definitely one DNQr at Cleveland 86 - he crashed badly during practice and injured his shoulder.

[Gokart Mozart]

Dear malvi,

You wouldn't happen to have the 1988 Lola serial numbers, do you? We are currently trying to ID a 8800 series.

Respectfully,

Jacques N. Dresang

[malvi]

to Jacques
I know only Indy 500 chassis #s listed in 1988 Hungness.
If it helps somehow...
Rahal-13
Boesel-08
Simon-20
Luyendyk-05
Lewis-21
John Andretti-02
Heimrath jr-03
Sneva-09
Daly-17
Brayton-22
Guerrero-16

[gbl]

Originally posted by malvi
to gbl


One more addition: Ed Pimm was definitely one DNQr at Cleveland 86 - he crashed badly during practice and injured his shoulder.

I know I've JUST updated my website including this... Here's another DNQ - Dick Simon LBGP 1985 (look at the helmet in this photo series:

Originally posted by Frank S
Misfiled ASA 400 color negatives from
Long Beach PPG/CART, year To Be Determined

Teaser:


Long Beach Racing album

[Gokart Mozart]

Dear malvi,

Thank you for your insight! The chassis we are trying to document is Lola S/N T88.00-23. After talking to Glyn Jones, I picked up that the car was fitted with a Hewland DGBL 145 gearbox and delivered to Carl Haas (Lola Importer) on April 28, 1988.

It was someone's belief that the car was Kevin Cogan's backup, but after some record keeping, I've failed to see that.

Any light on this matter would be appreciated, as we have a car with no soul at the moment!

Respectfully Yours,

Jacques N. Dresang
Eagle #7225

[malvi]

QUOTE]Originally posted by gbl


I know I've JUST updated my website including this... Here's another DNQ - Dick Simon LBGP 1985 (look at the helmet in this photo series:

Yes agree - Boesel actually qualified in his #23 March, withdraw that car and elected to start Simon`s #22 and started at the rear of the field.

[b]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by malvi [/i''

Moreno and Snider had to start from the back of the field with replacement cars(chassis listed above).
Moreno`s qualified Lola was chassis 09 and Snider`s original #84 March was chassis 08.
To be more exact - Snider`s replacement(chassis 34) was the car run throughout the may as #44 with Chevy engine. Foyt`s crew put quickly the Cosworth on and changed racing # to 84 for Snider, after original #84 was demolished in accident caused by Firestone.

[malvi]

Originally posted by malvi
to Jacques
I know only Indy 500 chassis #s listed in 1988 Hungness.
If it helps somehow...
Rahal-13
Boesel-08
Simon-20
Luyendyk-05
Lewis-21
John Andretti-02
Heimrath jr-03
Sneva-09
Daly-17
Brayton-22
Guerrero-16

I add some 1989 Indy 500 year old Lola chassis #s by Hungness.
At least you can see what your car is not...

#50 Davy Jones-20 (88 Simon`s car)
#81 Vukovich-09 (88 Sneva`s car)
#71 Heimrath jr-15 (88 Hemelgarn team`s backup)
#56 Palmroth-03 (88 Heimrath`s car)
#86 Dobson-25 (this car wasn`t run during 1988 season)
#70 John Andretti-07 (88 Granatelli team`s backup)
#7 Sneva-16 (88 Guerrero`s car)
#91 Johncock-02 (listed as 88 Heimrath`s backup but i guess it could be mistake or chassis # is wrong).

[Allen Brown]

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Hi guys

I have more news on the SEA - this from former AMI crew Jeff Bruckheimer. It clears up two issues.

Firstly, the SEA was not the same car as Swingler's S2. The SEA was a Williams FW07 copy and it is interesting that it was built by Jackie Howerton who also built the FW07-copy Longhorns. My post above is wrong - the Longhorns pre-dated the SEA of course and the SEA would have been built about the same time as the second-generation LR02. I've asked Jeff to clarify that the 1981 Armstrong was the 1982 SEA but it's pretty clear from his email that it was. He says that the car was much-modified when it returned to Indy, with side exit radiators and a rounded nose. The last time Jeff saw the SEA it was completely dissassembled in the Armstrong shop in 1983.

Allen

Hello

Yet more on these cars, this time from the expert on the subject: Peter Swingler.

We got it mostly right. The SEA 01 (aka Armstrong) was built for 1981 as a redesign of the Orbitor. In the end, it shared only the steering box and the master cylinder. One car was built and raced during 1981. It was highly modified for 1982 with new rear suspension, nose and tunnels. After the 1982 500, a second SEA was built using the spare tub.

The Swingler was a project Peter did for Gary Irwin and is a quite different car to the SEA. Mahler then bought that car and renamed it the Lion and had a half-hearted stab at Indy in 1983 with it.

Both these cars were designed by Peter and built by Jackie Howerton, as Jeff had said.

Peter gave me the full history of both cars and I'll incorporate these into web pages on the cars as the Indy area of my website grows. It's good to be able to get the full details of these lesser-known cars.

Allen

[malvi]

quote:
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Originally posted by ghinzani
Something tells me it was based on the Lola t-800 he had been running previously. I beleive when he eventually ditched the chevy v8's he claimed they had become anchors for his boat!
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From IndyCar 8 / 86 Cleveland race report:

quote:
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...Dale Coyne, with the revamped '85 Lola now called DC-1 with normally aspirated Chevy power ...

Yes, 1986 DC1 was the same Lola T800, Coyne drove in 1985(bought from Newman-Haas). Coyne and chief mech Bernie Myers designed new sidepods, wings and rear bodywork around the Chevy engine and called the "new" car DC1. Tub and all suspension were still from 84 Lola.

1986 Indy 500 chassis #s by Hungness.
Starting cars:
One older car - Krueger`s 85C-34 (Foyt`s 1985 Indy mount).

Leader Cards team bought this car from Foyt during the Michigan 500 1985. Gary B. drove the same car at Phoenix 86 and Dobson at Long Beach.

to gbl

One mistake I`ve spotted: 1986 Milwaukee I #59 DNQ - should be Mike Nish. (Miaskiewicz on your site)

[brickyard]

Hi,

look here to see an unusual view of the '83 Rattlesnake at Indy 500. It's the last photo on the page.

[MCS]

...Last photo on which page, Luis?

[brickyard]

The links' page. It works on my PC...

[MCS]

Nope, but enjoyed some of the Johnny Cash stuff

[malvi]

Originally posted by Herbert
According to Hungness the #48 Lola was a "fresh" car on May 10 when it was driven by Daly for the first time. So Foyt did not use it before at Indy.
In the other races of 1985 Foyt only raced March 85C's. The only exeption was Sanair where he drove a Lola. Because Daly/Kapsreiter/Hess did not race there it is possible that Foyt borrowed his old car for that race.

Herbert is right...
From ICR magazine (nov 85), Sanair report:
"Making his first racing appeareance in Canada since winning at Mosport in 1977 was AJ Foyt. Driving a Lola T900 he had repossessed from the failed Kapsreiter Beer team, Foyt enjoyed the challenge of the little track."

[gbl]

Just to throw in a nice new interview with Tyler Alexander:

http://www.champcarw...cle.asp?ID=9946

And there were three Forsythe Brothers: Gerry, John and Jimmy:

http://www.champcarw...cle.asp?ID=9948

@Malvi: for Indy 1986 you list chassis 19 twice

[malvi]

Originally posted by gbl


@Malvi: for Indy 1986 you list chassis 19 twice [/B]

Yes, this should be typo in Hungness yearbook - appearing twice: "The field" section-pg 98(Cogan) and pg 126 (Brayton) both Marches are -19 and chassis # section - pg 208 the same as well.
I do not know what is correct. Maybe somebody can help?

[gbl]

http://cgi.ebay.com/...6QQcmdZViewItem

Entry list for the Pocono 500 1975. Can anyone identify the driver in the Parnelli photo?

[Frank S]

I have this, forwarded by Marge Binks:

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Breen
To: ]binkss atSign sbcglobal dotSign net
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: looking for indy car


I'm looking for an indy car to buy . Does not have to be in perfect condition but must be running . Know of any ?
Neil

Neil Breen , AIA
Project Director
JMA Architecture Studios
10190 Covington Cross Drive, Suite 110
Las Vegas, NV 89144
Phone: 702.
Fax: 702.

nbreen atSign jmaarch dotSign com

--------- ----------
--
Frank S
frank atSign fsheff dotSign com

[gbl]

Originally posted by T54
This car showed up 2 years ago with our vintage Indy car group at Fontana. I met the owner who had just finished the car. It is one of two chassis built, the other with a hollow engine is on display on the mezzanine of the race shop at the Marconi Automotive museum in Tustin, CA.

The car seen at Fontana had a standard air cooled 911 engine with a single turbo and ran slow laps. The restoration was OK (low bucks, not great), but none of the "correct" mechanical components from the original test mule was present. Now that was 2 years ago, and Lord knows what happened since.
Of course the original 2.6-liter "Indy" engines have long gone back to Germany and it is doubtful that they even exist any longer.
So asking half a mil for what amounts to be one of two test cars with an American chassis originally built for a Cosworth V8 is may be a bit over the top, like, falling off the planet when it was still flat.

Here are some photos from that event:

http://www.champcarf...ead.php?t=32020

[theunions]

Originally posted by Frank S
I have this, forwarded by Marge Binks:

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Breen
To: ]binkss atSign sbcglobal dotSign net
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: looking for indy car


I'm looking for an indy car to buy . Does not have to be in perfect condition but must be running . Know of any ?
Neil

Neil Breen , AIA
Project Director
JMA Architecture Studios
10190 Covington Cross Drive, Suite 110
Las Vegas, NV 89144
Phone: 702.
Fax: 702.

Is this for Neil's personal use, or is it for an actual design project?

[gbl]

Just found on the internet: Mario Andretti's first ever champcar:

http://www.3widespic..._TRN_0064_1.htm

http://www.3widespic..._TRN_0064_1.htm

[Frank S]

Originally posted by theunions


Is this for Neil's personal use, or is it for an actual design project?

Not a question I can answer.

"nbreen atSign jmaarch dotSign com "

--
Frank S

[T54]

http://cgi.ebay.com/...6QQcmdZViewItem
Can anyone identify the driver in the Parnelli photo?

Simply the 1972-74 Vel's-Parnelli Indy car designer, Maurice Philippe, out for a spin in his own creation. This is why I asked for a picture of him to make sure, because I did not quite remember his face. Now I do.

[malvi]

Originally posted by gbl
Another mystery PC7: #54 Brabham at Phoenix. Listed with Kraco sponsorship, but should be a Garza car - if they had two PC7.

Little addition to old PC7 story...
From 81 Phoenix program:
The Orange County based Psachie/Garza Racing team will have an all-rookie entry at PIR this weekend. Josele Garza of Mexico City and Geoffry Brabham of Australia will be making their debuts in Indy-type cars in the Kraco 150, as will car owner David Psachie an aircraft broker in Santa Ana ,California.Psachie is serious about his first venture in the CART championship series. He has purchased two PC9`s driven by Mario Andretti and Rick Mears for Roger Penske at Indy in 1980, and he has a pair of PC7`s as backup cars... The team has a definite international look.The drivers represent Australia and Mexico. The chief mech Willie Oppliger is Swiss,one crew chief Rouem Haffenden is English and another Mark Freeman is from New Zealand.Engineer Frantz Weis is German.
By entry list Brabham`s #54 PC7 was sponsored by Kraco Car Stereo and Garza`s #55 PC7 car name was Banco Mercantil De Monterey/SA Martin Jet Sales

[gbl]

Originally posted by malvi
to gbl
Dacco was Coyne driver at Toronto
...Contact incident at Toronto saw Dacco finish 21st for Coyne Racing, Dacco left Coyne Racing for Euromotorsport seat prior to next race...(media guide 1990) I cant explain unusual number choice.

Now I've found this photo, it is in Euromotorsport colors!

http://pg.photos.yah...6&.dnm=72e2.jpg

[malvi]

Bit mysterious GF Racing from Brazil in 1988 tried to qualify on some occasions under racing #25.
At least at Miami (Romano). March 85C was wrenched by guy named Edson DeGobi.
Source: 1988 Miami program.

[malvi]

to gbl & others
Some 1983 and 1984 corrections.
Chip Ganassi drove his STP Oil Treatment sponsored Wildcat Mk 9B under racing #20 in the end of 1983 season (I`m 100% sure about Vegas, Laguna Seca & season closer Phoenix and most likely also at Michigan II- i didn`t saw image yet). By Harms he drove #60 but it`s not correct.

In 1984 Machinists Union racing team has been cut to a one-car effort for Josele Garza (#55)who brought Schaefer Beer sponsorship to the team. Roger Mears finally parted MU(fired) during Indy 500. Team started year with pair of PC10s but 2 years old machine was already outdated and team switched to March 84C at Indianapolis. The team cars were wrenched firstly by Bevan Weston and in the second half of season by Mark Bridges.

Car #59(Parsons/Karl/Lewis/Kuhn) entrant throughout the 84 season was McCray Racing owned by Joel F. McCray. This team started the year also with PC10...

Parsons at Indy
Image from Hungness 84
... and swiched to year old March in mid-season.
Image in Mark Windecker`s superb site (Kuhn)
http://mwphoto.smugm...263267/Original
McCray`s chief mechanic was Roger Beck who worked for the team also in 1983(Krueger-car #46).
Both teams based at Indianapolis and probably McCray`s team got some sort of help from Machinist Union?? At least car name sometimes listed as AGFA/Machinists.

Additions,comments,opinions???

[gbl]

I'd like to add some information provided by GoKartMozart:

The #91 Eagle that debuted at Indy with Teddy Pilette, and then was raced at Milwaukee by Clark Templeman Jr, Milwaukee II by Steve Krisiloff, and Pocono II by Steve Krisiloff was Eagle #7207, which was a former Sugaripe Prune Juice Special.

Here is a link to a German forum with some more strange USAC cars:

http://www.f1welt.co...pic.php?t=12283

[gbl]

What are the stories behind this?

1962 Oct.jpg:

http://www.indianapo...=37431&size=med


1965 Neg 3 1965-356.jpg:

http://www.indianapo...=37452&size=med


And another Eagle: 7219 or the American Kids Racer:

http://www.can-am-ca...2&idproduct=286

This is a very strange reference, but Gary Irvin drove an Eagle 72 in 1977:

http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

[malvi]

...Just some rare images...

Kevin Whitesides - Indianapolis 1989 (story about him somewhere above)
source: 1989 Indy program


Chip Robinson - Miami 1986 - 7th place (In Dick Simon`s Lola-Cosworth)
source: ICR magazine January 1987


Extremely tall Chris Kneifel during his CART debute at Riverside 1982 (Jamieson Racing`s Metametrix sponsored Eagle-Cosworth)
source: Primus Racing Press Kit 1983

[T54]

Picture One is the Lotus F1 test at Indy in the fall of 1962. The car is a Type 25 with the 1.5-liter Climax V8. Jimmy is at the right of the picture.

Picture Two is a Firestone tire test by Hall and the Chaparral 2A in the summer of 1965, after the Road-America race.

Picture Three: this car was just sold to the same person who is now restoring my two 1972 Eagles, 7229 and 7230.
The car is very original and basically as last raced, still in those colors.

[gbl]

Tom Sneva driving the #41 Tipke USAC car at Phoenix (year unknown):

http://www.srv.net/~...website9091.htm

[T54]

Looks like the Indy car on top is a "Kingle"... or is it?

[Rob G]

Originally posted by gbl
Tom Sneva driving the #41 Tipke USAC car at Phoenix (year unknown):

http://www.srv.net/~...website9091.htm

And from the same site, there's a shot of a champ car driven by Ken Hamilton on this page. Could that be the Riley chassis in 1981, perhaps at Indy?

[theunions]

Originally posted by Rob G

And from the same site, there's a shot of a champ car driven by Ken Hamilton on this page. Could that be the Riley chassis in 1981, perhaps at Indy?

The photo itself may not be from 1981, but that is how the car appeared then.

[gbl]

Found on another forum:

http://www.adrivo.co...r=asc&start=195

Kenny Acheson, Meadowlands 1984, March 83C

[Allen Brown]

Murph's just posted some great pictures here.

Allen

[malvi]

to gbl
some corrections and additions

Buddy Lazier`s car #at Indy 1989 was 35 - in honour of his father Bob who drove at Indy 1981 under this number and actually bought this car for son.

source:Hungness 89

I can add also another DNQ from Meadowlands 1984 - Randy Lewis tried to qualify there with first time AGFA sponsored, McCray owned, year old March but non delivery of imported gears cost him critical practice time and prevented qualification. My source is 84 Laguna Seca program where is story about Lewis & AGFA (Randy was local guy from Hillsborough). Also at Cleveland,with 38 (sic!!!) drivers attempting to qualify, he was only qualifier with 1983 machine(Ferguson & McRae added later to field under promoter`s option).


Lewis in 1984 - but hard to say where???
Image from Laguna 84 program.

Also Stan Fox at Pocono 1984 definitely drove 83 March(Pabst/Leader Card) ,like he whole season did.
Source: 84 Pocono program starting line-up supplement.

[Rob G]

Originally posted by malvi

Lewis in 1984 - but hard to say where???
Image from Laguna 84 program.

Lewis' only race that year with AGFA sponsorship was at Cleveland, but Cleveland doesn't have any guardrails, so if that is him I'd say it's in testing somewhere. Mid-Ohio perhaps?

[Herbert]

Could it be a picture from Elkhart Lake where Lewis failed to qualify?

[Rob G]

Originally posted by Herbert
Couldn't it be a picture from Elkhart Lake where Lewis failed to qualify?

That's a possibility, although according to Phil Harms' stats, the sponsor on Lewis' car was from McCray Plastering instead of AGFA.

[malvi]

According to ICR mags(Aug/Oct 1984) This McCray M83C was bought from Bill Alsup after Indy 500 who still "was waiting for his refurbished Argo JM15 to arrive from England".
So this car should be March M83C-19 - ex 1983 Galles Racing , Al Unser Jr used instead of his Eagle
at Milwaukee and Pocono.

[gbl]

Originally posted by malvi

Little addition to old PC7 story...
From 81 Phoenix program:
The Orange County based Psachie/Garza Racing team will have an all-rookie entry at PIR this weekend. Josele Garza of Mexico City and Geoffry Brabham of Australia will be making their debuts in Indy-type cars in the Kraco 150, as will car owner David Psachie an aircraft broker in Santa Ana ,California.Psachie is serious about his first venture in the CART championship series. He has purchased two PC9`s driven by Mario Andretti and Rick Mears for Roger Penske at Indy in 1980, and he has a pair of PC7`s as backup cars... The team has a definite international look.The drivers represent Australia and Mexico. The chief mech Willie Oppliger is Swiss,one crew chief Rouem Haffenden is English and another Mark Freeman is from New Zealand.Engineer Frantz Weis is German.
By entry list Brabham`s #54 PC7 was sponsored by Kraco Car Stereo and Garza`s #55 PC7 car name was Banco Mercantil De Monterey/SA Martin Jet Sales

This photo could be taken at the 1981 Phoenix race (or 1980, but looks like a qualifying pic)

http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

[malvi]

Nice reading about beginning of Kraco team and Dick Ferguson...


1982 LA Times article - supplement of 1982 Kraco Racing Press Kit

[brickyard]

Great reading.

Thanks Malvi.

[theunions]

So why did Ferguson not even last until the Month of May?

[malvi]

QUOTE]Originally posted by Rob G

3. Does anyone know anything about two drivers, Steve Hostetler and Harry Ruble, who tried but failed to qualify for any races? Hostetler drove for a team sponsored by Esteban's Restaurant, while Ruble drove a Wildcat sponsored by Mr. Chicken. [/QUOTE][/B]

After little research I`m almost 100% sure about ICR magazine`s & Mr Harms little typo - the driver attempted to qualify at Cleveland 1984 was Barry(instead Harry) Ruble - sprint car veteran from Burton, Ohio.(it might be explanation to his attempt to qualify on his home track at Cleveland)
His name already appears in 1983 Mid-Ohio entry list - #65 Barry Ruble,Burton,OH, Luxury Racers,Kingfish-Chevy.(I do not know was he actually on track there or not). But if i am right, this driver is active still now(check Google) and should be this guy...
http://www.allstarsp...p?album=7&pos=2
Comments,opinions???

[T54]

Does anyone know anything about two drivers, Steve Hostetler and Harry Ruble, who tried but failed to qualify for any races? Hostetler drove for a team sponsored by Esteban's Restaurant, while Ruble drove a Wildcat sponsored by Mr. Chicken.

In the second case, it might be self-explanatory?

OK, I will go to my room now.