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[Embers]

[quote name='macoran' date='May 12 2012, 04:45' post='5708056']
In 1952 the brothers started a technical illustrations office. 1953 saw the brothers gain international recognition when they presented very detailed cutaways of the British Royal Air Force’s Supermarine Swift. The drawings, published in the international Swiss aircraft publication Interavia kicked up a big stink and stir, but the youngsters explained that they had done nothing illicit other than extrapolate on known information of previous aircraft models which they had gleaned from earlier publications.

Here is that Supermarine Swift rendering from the 1953/54 edition of Air Progress History of Aviation. Given the complexity of the brothers' drawings of the commercial airliners that they had earlier produced, it is not too much of a stretch of believe that they could infer the rather simpler structure and systems of the Swift from its external appearance.

[Embers]

This is the Lotus 25 Indy car from that year

While the Fairlane-powered Lotus Indy car of 1963 was based on the Lotus 25 chassis and suspension layout, it was officially known as a Lotus 29.

[TWest]

While the Fairlane-powered Lotus Indy car of 1963 was based on the Lotus 25 chassis and suspension layout, it was officially known as a Lotus 29.

I was basing the comment and the ID on the article that mentioned the Lotus 29. Thought the 29 was actually the DOHC Ford car, not the pushrod Fairlane-engined car. So be it.
Tom West

[Tony Matthews]

An easy mistake to make, Tom. The 4-cam car was the 34.

[TWest]

An easy mistake to make, Tom. The 4-cam car was the 34.

Seems like I should know that. I did a drawing of that car for a diecast design with Carousel. A friend of ours had completed a restoration of one of those cars, so i did the research from that car. Later that year, I think, it did end up at Goodwood. Pretty decent reviews of the restoration, it appears.
The owner at Carousel was very nervous about sending the drawings, as Lotus was evidently giving everyone doing replicas fits with changes and corrections, so he was pretty antsy, although I told him not to worry. Turned out, he got an approval back almost immediately with no revisions being asked. Guess I can copy crap with the best of them ...
Just to make conversation for a bit, I have to say that between the chance to do the cutaways with the drag racing and hot rod guys, which got me into the modelkit business, and then into diecast, I have gotten to do most of the car types that I could ever want. Started with a drag racing project for Aurora, then ran the marketing for MPC and Revell, but got to specify and direct the development of the products. Then did some interesting modelkits for Precision Miniatures and Galaxie, then into new diecast with a huge push at Action Performance, and then with my own business. I have been able to get inside so many interesting cars, and aircraft and other categories of product over the years that it has really been a blast. i am, however, completely jealous of Tony and the guys who had the chance to do Formula 1. That is probably the only major class of racing that I have not approached .. but I probably have almost all the American types covered.
Sorry, just a little drift for the morning.
Tom West

[Tony Matthews]

You can't beat a little drift in the morning every now and then, Tom! I would have liked to cut away some of the earlier - earlier to me - Indy cars, but the earliest was the Penske PC6. I used to look forward to the very brief reports of the Indy 500, and the two- or three pages with a colour photograph in "Automobile Year". It all seemed so colourful and glamorous compared with F1 - that's a bit like telling a retired RAF pilot that you think the FW 190 is a great-looking 'plane! It was always nice to do something different, but mainly I just regret that I did so few cutaways, and I envy you the modeling side, as I always thought of my illustrations as 2D models, and still hanker after a bit of model making...

[werks prototype]

Producer Gas Vehicle (A product of the wartime petrol rationing). Artist, unknown.

As before, if anyone would like a copy of the two page article for reference, a road test of the Cowan 'up-draught type' producer-gas plant, as attached to the rear of a 20 h.p. SS (quite a thing to behold.) then pm me an email address.

[werks prototype]

Austin Maxi engine. Artist, R.J.M.

[simplebrother]

a little bit of potpourri this afternoon...

first, a 2013 Mercedes Benz M278 engine - v8, dohc, 32 valves, 4663cc - artist unknown


next, a 1951 Renault 4cv by Riche


and last, a couple of twin-shaft aviation turbofans from Rolls Royce -

the first is the AE2100a used to power military and civilian turboprop planes such as the SAAB 2000 (produced 1994-1999 but 90% still in service).


the last is the BR-710, used in the Gulfstream V (1997), the Bombardier Global Express (1998), and the Gulfstream G550 (2003).


Peter

[TWest]

I am trying to clean out some of the long-sitting scans that I did a while back, and came up with two for the next. This particular one has been posted here previously, but his is a bit larger rendition of the Gordon Bruce illustration of the Lotus Elan. Pulled from the pages of the September, 1963 edition of Sports Car Graphic. Always love the precise registration on these things.
Note that this has been previously posted, but this is a bit larger file, for you other OCD types out there ...
Tom West



Bruce,Gordon-LotusElanSCG09-63

Edited by TWest, 16 May 2012 - 22:03.

[TWest]

The second piece from me for the day is Brian Hatton's Brabham Formula 1 out of the September, 1963 Road & Track. This was part of a Grand Prix update article, which also included a Hatton illustration of the Cooper ... to follow at some point.
Tom West



Hatton,Brian-BrabhamF1-R&T09-63

[werks prototype]

Reynard Honda, Tasman Motorsports, André Ribeiro. Artist, unknown.


1953 Ford. Artist, Max Millar.

[simplebrother]

just one this evening... 1985 Toyota Soarer MZ12 Super Gran Turismo by Yoshihiro Inomoto


Peter

[CVA]

renault 5 alpine gr2 by ETAI

[badQ]

Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 '1994

[werks prototype]

Ferrari Modulo. Artist, Betti (Bruno/Giulio).


Moto Guzzi V8. Artist, J. Crawley.

Edited by werks prototype, 25 May 2012 - 10:24.

[Duc-Man]

Ferrari Modulo. Artist, Betti (Bruno/Guilo).

One of the craziest concept cars of its time together with the Alfa Romeo Carabo and the original Lancia Stratos concept.
Are there any known cutaways of those two as well?

Here is a webfind for you: Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale by Shin Yoshikawa in a very early stage.

[Motocar]

Messerschmmitt P.1101 cutaway, the first research aircraft with variable geometry wings, designed and built at the end of the Second World War in Europe, its wings were the half-planes of an I-262 without the slap, and its jet engine Jumo 004 was which later had to be replaced by a Heinkel S 011 engine without much trouble, monocoque fuselage, 900 kg of thrust, built around the "Emergency Programme of Hunting" that would leave the "I-162 Salamander" cabin had very advanced on the direct air intake and engine cover three pieces, look revised MK 108 cannon and two 30 mm, which then would be raised to four units, also will use the newest planned edge-guided missiles air Air "Ruhrstahl X -4 "its landing gear was retracted back gear being placed horizontally in nose compartment to not interfere with the airflow, while the principal was staying in the narrow rear fuselage and positioned not to interfere with the mechanism of change of angle of the arrow wing, which at first was manual, setting the angle on the ground to study that wing sweep angle was the most convenient and subsequently had to be fully automatic, I fail to be completed, with captured by U.S. troops but the French made ​​some design relevant documents that did not allow further work that were already 80 percent, he was transferred to the Bell company in the U.S. but for the transfer was damaged beyond repair, Bell chose to build their own prototype sponsored by the U.S. government and known as X-5 to repair the P.1101, the latter was destroyed during the fifties, the original author MC.72 of a Focke Wulf Ta.183, as amended by Motocar to recreate the Messerschmmitt P.1101, uploaded by ImageShack.us



Success for all

Edited by Motocar, 20 May 2012 - 11:30.

[werks prototype]

One of the craziest concept cars of its time together with the Alfa Romeo Carabo and the original Lancia Stratos concept.
Are there any known cutaways of those two as well?

Yep, It would be interesting to see a cutaway of the Stratos 0 or the Carabo. Just to see how 'exotic' they really are internally. I definitely prefer Bertone to the Pininfarina concepts.
I can't help with either though, I'm afraid.

I can tie up an old loose end regarding the 612 CanAm Ferrari though. It's a Betti!

I googled around as well and found some Ferrari cutaways in a brazilian blog.
Here is one of them:



I can't see a name anywhere.

Ferrari 612 CanAm. Artist, Bruno Betti.

[CVA]

lola t90 by Brian Hatton,in a bigger size (seen on page 98)

[CVA]

ferrari 158 by Serge Bellu

[macoran]

Sergio Baratto's 1987 Lotus 99T


edit try a slight resize

Edited by macoran, 20 May 2012 - 10:23.

[ibsenop]

Honda NSX (Takata Dome NSX) JGTC Super GT GT500 2006 by Takashi Jufuku

Edited by ibsenop, 20 May 2012 - 19:33.

[ibsenop]

ferrari 158 by Serge Bellu

Ferrari 158 F1 1964 by Paolo D'Alessio (from the web - only small size)

[CVA]

Ferrari 158 F1 1964 by Paolo D'Alessio (from the web - only small size)

the same in a larger size but in black and white

[werks prototype]

Ferrari 126 CK. Artist, Betti (Bruno/Giulio)


Claveau 1927. Artist, Brian Hatton.

Edited by werks prototype, 25 May 2012 - 10:24.

[ibsenop]

Honda NSX (Takata Dome NSX) JGTC Super GT GT500 2007 by Takashi Jufuku

[macoran]

Honda NSX (Takata Dome NSX) JGTC Super GT GT500 2007 by Takashi Jufuku

Seems like you have found a direct line to Takashi Ibsen ?

[macoran]

Ferrari 288 GTO by Sitta

[macoran]

Norton Manx by George Beresford

[werks prototype]

Ferrari 250 GTO. Artist, Giulio Betti

Edited by werks prototype, 25 May 2012 - 10:23.

[werks prototype]

Norton Manx by George Beresford

Good stuff, Marc


Norton Manx. Artist, Dick Ellis.

[ibsenop]

Ferrari 250 GTO. Artist, Betti (Bruno/Guilo).

Ferrari 250 GTO by Giulio Betti

[CVA]

ferrari 500f2 by Serge Bellu

[werks prototype]

Ferrari 250 GTO by Giulio Betti

Post edited, (including spelling) thanks

[werks prototype]

Ferrari 512 F1. Artist, Bruno Betti.

Edited by werks prototype, 25 May 2012 - 19:06.

[ibsenop]

Ferrari 512 F1. Artist, Betti (Bruno or Giulio).

Ferrari 512 F1 1965 by Bruno Betti

[macoran]

Just downed my first pint of this long weekend.......burp...but I am still seeing straight
That Ferrari should be 1512 ? or am I mistaken ?

PS Sunday will be raceday heaven for me !!.......

Monaco F1 / Indy 500 and the film "Senna" on Channel RTL7

I've told the missus gardening is OFF !!!!!

[werks prototype]

Just downed my first pint of this long weekend.......burp...but I am still seeing straight
That Ferrari should be 1512 ? or am I mistaken ?

PS Sunday will be raceday heaven for me !!.......

Monaco F1 / Indy 500 and the film "Senna" on Channel RTL7

I've told the missus gardening is OFF !!!!!

I think it's an either/or scenario, 1512 or 512 F1, Marc?

Well, I won at pitch and putt today, which doesn't happen very often, I don't know what the weather is like in Holland right now, but the weather down on the South Coast of England is scorching. Cider weather I think.

[macoran]

Cider weather I think.

mmmmmm lovely stuff with this weather !!

[ibsenop]

Just downed my first pint of this long weekend.......burp...but I am still seeing straight
That Ferrari should be 1512 ? or am I mistaken ?

PS Sunday will be raceday heaven for me !!.......

Monaco F1 / Indy 500 and the film "Senna" on Channel RTL7

I've told the missus gardening is OFF !!!!!

Mark, Quattroruote named this cutaway "Ferrari 512"

On the book "Ferrari" - by Hans Tanner and Doug Nye - Sixth Edition this Ferrari is named 1512.

[Tim Murray]

I've always believed that '1512' was the correct designation as it continued the sequence:

156 - 1.5 litre 6 cylinder
158 - 1.5 litre 8 cylinder
1512 - 1.5 litre 12 cylinder

but this may be wrong.

[werks prototype]

I've always believed that '1512' was the correct designation as it continued the sequence:

156 - 1.5 litre 6 cylinder
158 - 1.5 litre 8 cylinder
1512 - 1.5 litre 12 cylinder

but this may be wrong.

The above sequence makes sense.

Could the '512 F1' designation have been used instead as a shorthand for the engine specification/type?

[CVA]

ferrari 330 p3 by Sergio Baratto

[werks prototype]

Ferrari 288 GTO by Bruno Betti.

Ferrari 288 GTO. Artist, Betti (Bruno or Giulio)

(Would make a very good candidate for spot the difference, I think, if mirrored!)

Edited by werks prototype, 26 May 2012 - 09:23.

[CVA]

cooper t81 maserati by Sergio Baratto

[CVA]

2 Robert Roux seen page 109 but in a bigger size:matra 530 and matra ms120

[macoran]

The above sequence makes sense.

Could the '512 F1' designation have been used instead as a shorthand for the engine specification/type?

?? I have never known it as anything but 1512

[werks prototype]

?? I have never known it as anything but 1512

Yep, it's a funny one, Marc.

I'm sure 1512 is correct, however right or wrong, both the 1512 and 512/F1 seem to be used in an either/or way.

The original source of the cutaway for example used the 512/F1.

Appendix 17 of the Hans Tanner/Doug Nye book (page 646) Ferrari engine specifications, attaches 512/F1 to the engine type (Correct me someone if I have misunderstood this, hence my previous comment regarding it perhaps being a shorthand for engine spec/type).

Then as Ibsen says, on page 605, Appendix 4A relating to specifications of Grand Prix cars, we are given Type 1512.

Again Appendix 3 (Is this starting to sound like the Leveson Inquiry?) Engine specifications 1946 -1972 (From official Ferrari record book) we are given a type 512/F1.

So is it a step too far to say perhaps 1512 (car type), 512/F1 (engine type)?

Anyone want to see a colour 312 F1?

Edited by werks prototype, 26 May 2012 - 20:48.

[ibsenop]

And here a real 512 but not F1.

Ferrari 512 BBi 1981-1984 by Betti (Bruno or Giulio?)



And yes, I like to see a colour 312 F1 (hopping that is the 1966 car by Bruno Betti)