The cutaway drawing and its artists
#6851
Posted 09 November 2010 - 22:03
#6858
Posted 10 November 2010 - 06:43
I hope these satisfy the topic title in part...
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BTW, I recently got to heft a square 4 Ariel cylinder head: LOTS of weight! Big lump of engine indeed.
...egad! Looks like something out of Kafka's "The penal colony."
“It’s a remarkable apparatus,” said the Officer to the Explorer and gazed with a certain look of admiration at the device, with which he was, of course, thoroughly familiar. It appeared that the Traveller had responded to the invitation of the Commandant only out of politeness, when he had been asked to attend the execution of a soldier condemned for disobeying and insulting his superior. Interest in this execution was not really very high even in the penal colony itself. At least, here in the small, deep, sandy valley, closed in on all sides by barren slopes, apart from the Officer and the Traveller there were present only the Condemned, a vacant-looking man with a broad mouth and dilapidated hair and face, and the Soldier, who held the heavy chain to which were connected the small chains which bound the Condemned Man by his feet and wrist bones, as well as by his neck, and which were also linked to each other by connecting chains. The Condemned Man, incidentally, had an expression of such dog-like resignation that it looked as if one could set him free to roam around the slopes and would only have to whistle at the start of the execution for him to return.
#6859
Posted 10 November 2010 - 09:14
Perhaps another trip down memory lane for Tony -- Lotus 24 by Allington. Tony, what about the angle on this one? The roll bar is not really visible.
Sorry, not laughing at you! Turn 45° left (anticlockwise), and.............
45° right (clockwise), and all will be well. Thank you for posting these, I am not certain the Tom West hasn't beaten you to it, but you know what? I don't mind seeing them again!
Edited to change 90° to 45°! I'm not sure that even that is precise, but I don't have any fancy software for turning images through a specific angle.
Edited by Tony Matthews, 10 November 2010 - 09:43.
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#6860
Posted 10 November 2010 - 09:19
I've read a lot of Kafka, but not that, and I rather wish I hadn't... anyway, thanks RDV....egad! Looks like something out of Kafka's "The penal colony."
#6862
Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:36
There you go! If I was to be really picky I would say it need another 2° clockwise, but there is no guarantee that Jim drew it with 'vertical verticals'! We used to have long discussions about how to present cutaways with a bit of difference, and I remember specifically cajolling Jim into drawing the Cooper with the front wheels on full lock. I thought it worked, but Jim wasn't so sure, and although he did, I think, one more with a bit of lock, he reverted to 'straight ahead'. I never did it, thanks to Jim finding out on my behalf, he he, that straight ahead is probably best.
PS. If you remember that these illustrations were done on board that was, I think, 21"x31" ( 530mmx790mm), later to become 20"x30", the rule of thumb was to draw the cutaway as big as possible in that ratio. There were exceptions, but as we know, it is the exceptions that prove the rule.
#6863
Posted 10 November 2010 - 12:37
Ibsen and helioseism for still coming up with new material, even at this late stage!
#6864
Posted 10 November 2010 - 13:56
I try to not duplicate earlier posts unless I find a higher-resolution version, so Ibsen's index is essential! Sorry if I do repost something inadvertently.
There are still many more cutaways tucked away in the corners of books & magazines that have not made it onto this thread.
#6865
Posted 10 November 2010 - 14:05
There are still many more cutaways tucked away in the corners of books & magazines that have not made it onto this thread.
I believe you!
This reminds me of another, legendary, 'lost' cutaway once mentioned by a member. It was believed to be of the Fergusson Formula Junior (front drive, DKW engine)?
I'm crossing my fingers, that you may actually be the one to stumble across it sooner or later.
#6866
Posted 10 November 2010 - 14:17
This reminds me of another, legendary, 'lost' cutaway once mentioned by a member. It was believed to be of the Fergusson Formula Junior (front drive, DKW engine)?
Have not seen it yet, but I will keep my eye out.
#6867
Posted 10 November 2010 - 14:25
That is fairly common, I am not sure why a cutaway is seen as fair game when it comes to orientation, but portraits of people are not. However, page size and format does sometimes make it difficult to print a drawing the right way up, and there is no real problem with turning the book 90°, as long as it is pointed out to the reader that this should be done. Another common problem is printing across two pages and losing a chunk of the illustration in the gutter. With the Ferrari F2000 book I tried to get the illustrations printed as gate-folds, but this was probably an expense too far.Thanks for the comments -- the Lotus and Cooper are from "High-Performance Cars 1962-1963", the angles are the original published ones.
They do look much better nearly horizontal, rather than pointed skyward!
Sometimes when they are printed in an incorrect orientation, they look only slightly wrong, and you can't immediately put your finger on what the problem is!
#6871
Posted 10 November 2010 - 18:44
Sorry, not laughing at you! Turn 45° left (anticlockwise), and.............
45° right (clockwise), and all will be well. Thank you for posting these, I am not certain the Tom West hasn't beaten you to it, but you know what? I don't mind seeing them again!
Edited to change 90° to 45°! I'm not sure that even that is precise, but I don't have any fancy software for turning images through a specific angle.
Tony, I actually had the same thought, but checked and didn't find either in my modified files. Fall on either side, but not on these, so thanks for all the great new additions. Someone must be on vacations, or has recently been declared redundant (much more of a personal valuation than being "laid off" in my opinion ...). Whatever, keep it going.
Tom West
#6872
Posted 10 November 2010 - 21:04
#6881
Posted 11 November 2010 - 00:07
Brabham BT49C by Paolo D'Alessio
Ferrari 126C by Paolo D'Alessio
TNF Cutaway Index - updated - page 170 - post 6776 => part A - post 6777 => part B
These are usually surrounded by a few of those 'Piola' like non-'cutaway sketches'? little bits and pieces (modifications applied to car throughout the season). I have a stack of those little bits and pieces by D'Alessio, McLaren, Ferrari, Jordan etc, but I'm never really sure what to do with them.
Edited by werks prototype, 11 November 2010 - 00:58.
#6882
Posted 11 November 2010 - 02:23
PJGD
#6883
Posted 11 November 2010 - 06:19
In the meantime, could someone let me know what's going on at the outer ends of this gem - I can't work out how the 4 grouped pushrods get to actuate the valves.
Yes I know, I'm er - DUH! Thanks anyway... Oh yes - it's the Jameson flat four.
#6884
Posted 11 November 2010 - 11:40
Ha ! ... waits for laughs ... as usual, not a sausage.
(yes, please and I might have more luck with a different format; for some strange reason my Mac wouldn't swallow that even converted to jpg.)
onelung, how does that compare to the Rotax-s?
(i have a thing for boxers - the citroen/bmw end of the spectrum, so far)
Edited by fnqvmuch, 11 November 2010 - 11:58.
#6885
Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:03
Here's a page that makes things a lot clearer:In the meantime, could someone let me know what's going on at the outer ends of this gem - I can't work out how the 4 grouped pushrods get to actuate the valves.
http://www.flightglo.....20- 1000.html
#6886
Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:33
Here's a page that makes things a lot clearer:
http://www.flightglo.....20- 1000.html
thank you Tim,
i must admit while as the article says the arrangement is one of the oldest ("Contra" engine ... first installed in buses by Benz in 1889 and later on in passenger cars as well ...')
- 1946 was a surprise, as was the caption to the cutaway;
'THE functional details of the Jameson F-F engine are laid bare in this special "Flight" drawing by Max Millar. It has not been thought necessary to annotate the drawing as
the composition of the engine is so very simple, and the train of drives and geometry of motion can readilv be followed.'
however, on the next page ...
Edited by fnqvmuch, 11 November 2010 - 12:34.
#6887
Posted 11 November 2010 - 13:52
Any chance of providing a larger version of the Lago (please ...)?
A larger version was posted earlier. Here's the link to the post. The artist was unknown at the time.
http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=4206900
#6888
Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:56
It is a very nice drawing, just a shame that the rocker-cover was not cut to show how the pushrods operated the valves. I wonder if there was a reason for that - although I can't see that it can have been seriously considered a worthwhile 'secret'! So near and yet so far... Thanks Tim for filling in the gaps. My GN has a similar cam-and-rocker system, just no pushrods in between them!
#6889
Posted 11 November 2010 - 18:09
I haven't been as busy as I would like recently, but I haven't much to post, hence just the comments.
Tony,
Sorry, I did my normal vague reference, but was talking about all the recent rush of posts of some great new additions to this groups' collection. Didn't really note a change in your intensity here, which has always consisted of some wonderful contributions, whether visual or mental.
I tend to take blocks of time and will scan from the Cavara book, or the Haynes covers in bunches, but certainly can't keep going with the continuous submissions that are now coming. My deep appreciation for those who can.
Tom West
#6890
Posted 11 November 2010 - 18:43
#6891
Posted 11 November 2010 - 18:58
I am amazed at the flood of cutaways from so many posters - I may have to put sandbags at the front door!
There's so much good stuff appearing here I'm having trouble keeping up with it all - but that's probably an age thing
#6897
Posted 11 November 2010 - 21:19
Great! Thanks Tim - I should have delved a bit further into Flight Global which is, of course, where I scored the drawing.Here's a page that makes things a lot clearer:
http://www.flightglo.....20- 1000.html
Frank - thanks for the lead to the larger Lago drawing, and .. fnqvmuch: my boxer only has two gloves - it's a 2CV.
Werks - that system for the rear suspension is not at all uncommon for veteran era cars. It certainly makes a lot of work for the spring companies, though - and just imagine the weight of all that spring steel!
Edited by onelung, 11 November 2010 - 21:23.
#6898
Posted 11 November 2010 - 21:39
No Alan, it's a stuff thing!There's so much good stuff appearing here I'm having trouble keeping up with it all - but that's probably an age thing
#6899
Posted 11 November 2010 - 22:41
Werks - that system for the rear suspension is not at all uncommon for veteran era cars. It certainly makes a lot of work for the spring companies, though - and just imagine the weight of all that spring steel!
That's right.
I returned to the original article, and in the case of the Silver Ghost, the following specification is given:
Susupension: Front, dead forged axle and 10-leaf springs; rear, fully floating axle and 13-leaf springs. Transverse 11-leaf spring anchored to two diagonal chassis members and ends of leaf springs.
Apparently, it was great on the 'trial courses' of 1907.
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#6900
Posted 12 November 2010 - 02:06
We know a fair bit about Tony but I was just wondering if anybody knows what Bruno is up to these days. Where does he live ? Is he still working ?
Thanks.