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[larryd]

what about 1960?

Oh **** - what it is to be a smartarse



Can I leave now, please?

[graham houlihan]

Right chaps - I've been raking through a pile of programmes, mostly from Hans-Otto's archive.

Somers rode at St Wendel (International Preis des Saarlandes) in 1963 and is shown as "Irland".

Then, there's Snetterton International March 1964 - where he's shown as "Great Britain" with Licence No 64/C40 - that is an ACU Licence.

So - looks like I was correct in that the "Kerryman" bit was for effect to help with Continental entries.

That's well found Larry. Couldn't find a licence number in the programmes that I checked.

[graham houlihan]

Oh **** - what it is to be a smartarse



Can I leave now, please?

You were right with Tanaka, but there's more to it.

In the 1960 programme T. (Teisuke) Tanaka was entered and the weeklies all quoted that T Tanaka had crashed in the 125 race. But the guy in the photo is Kenjiro Tanaka. In 1960 the Honda team had 8 riders and they rotated them for different GPs. Kenjiro had ridden in Solitude and got the first podium ever achieved by a Honda rider. He then rode at Dundrod, crashed broke his leg and never rode again. I wondered if you knew that one.

[RRT2]

Another easy WWW and a bit more

[larryd]

You were right with Tanaka, but there's more to it.

In the 1960 programme T. (Teisuke) Tanaka was entered and the weeklies all quoted that T Tanaka had crashed in the 125 race. But the guy in the photo is Kenjiro Tanaka. In 1960 the Honda team had 8 riders and they rotated them for different GPs. Kenjiro had ridden in Solitude and got the first podium ever achieved by a Honda rider. He then rode at Dundrod, crashed broke his leg and never rode again. I wondered if you knew that one.

Didn't know that Graham!

I have the 1960 UGP programme (and others back to 1925!) but the very first road race that I actually stood in the fields and watched wasn't until the 1961 Ulster.

[Rennmax]

Another easy WWW and a bit more

Good morning gents, Fred Launchberry at bedstead corner ??

[RRT2]

Good morning gents, Fred Launchberry at bedstead corner ??

Good Morning Renn Yes it is Fred. Can you tell me what year, race and what happened to him in this race.
I'm off to work now .I will be back tonight

[Rennmax]

Good Morning Renn Yes it is Fred. Can you tell me what year, race and what happened to him in this race.
I'm off to work now .I will be back tonight

Hi RRT2, I'm afraid I can't. Not even sure about the bike, forks and brake look like a Bultaco, fairing doesn't...a Bantam special in the end ??

[graham houlihan]

Didn't know that Graham!

I have the 1960 UGP programme (and others back to 1925!) but the very first road race that I actually stood in the fields and watched wasn't until the 1961 Ulster.

Hi Larry,

Thought I'd throw that one in as I've heard from Elwyn and Bill (Snelling) that you have an excellent knowledge of the Ulster (and of course the TT!). But it wasn't really a fair one as it wasn't reported correctly at the time. Kenjiro Tanaka is a bit of a forgotten name and his 3rd place at Solitude is credited in the books of Bula and the Marlboro guide to Teisuke. But the Solitude programme, MCN report, Motor Cycle, Motociclismo etc reports are all correct and I have quite a few pics of him at Solitude. Kenjiro came from the world of short circuit racing in Japan (bit like speedway but on tarmac!) so the story was that he was very good at turning left, but not so quick on right turns! After his Ulster accident he finished with bikes, but became a very good car driver in single seaters and the big Lolas back in Japan. He died in 2007. Here's a picture of the 1960 Honda team before they came to Europe.

I've all the programmes from the Ulster world championship era, which is mainly what interests me. Plus a lot of the GP Special newspapers which are excellent and Brindley yearbooks. Do you have any of the official results/lap scoring books/sheets? I have 1949 and some others through the 1950s but don't know whether they were published for all years as I've never seen any for the 1960s.

Edited by graham houlihan, 21 October 2009 - 09:35.

[Continental Circus]

Hi RRT2, I'm afraid I can't. Not even sure about the bike, forks and brake look like a Bultaco, fairing doesn't...a Bantam special in the end ??

Good morning gents, the shot of the start at Tubbergen with No.1 was assumed as Denis Fry with his distinctive white helmet and 'Roo'
He was wearing this helmet when I took the photo in 1962 in the IoM at the Gooseneck in the Junior where he finished 29th.I tried to put this up yesterday but the PC threw a big end.

Roy

[larryd]

Good morning gents, the shot of the start at Tubbergen with No.1 was assumed as Denis Fry with his distinctive white helmet and 'Roo'
He was wearing this helmet when I took the photo in 1962 in the IoM at the Gooseneck in the Junior where he finished 29th.I tried to put this up yesterday but the PC threw a big end.

Roy

Afternoon all - in spite of my earlier reliance (unwise!) on the banner beside the start, it is Tubbergen.

Not only that, it's 1954 and I have the programme!

18 Eddie Lenz
15 John Somers
20 Colin Lyster
7 Lothar John
3 David Johnston (Australian)
14 Fred Stevens
12 Maurice Hawthorne
1 Dennis Fry
5 Hans-Otto Butenuth

According to Hans's marked programme, Walter Scheimann on No 9 won it, from Rob Fitton (11) and Vernon Cottle (10) followed by Ernst Hiller, Lothar John, Roy Robinson, Hawthorne, Ian Burne, Hans himself and Jack Lindh from Sweden.

No other finishers.

[larryd]

Hi Larry,

Thought I'd throw that one in as I've heard from Elwyn and Bill (Snelling) that you have an excellent knowledge of the Ulster (and of course the TT!). But it wasn't really a fair one as it wasn't reported correctly at the time. Kenjiro Tanaka is a bit of a forgotten name and his 3rd place at Solitude is credited in the books of Bula and the Marlboro guide to Teisuke. But the Solitude programme, MCN report, Motor Cycle, Motociclismo etc reports are all correct and I have quite a few pics of him at Solitude. Kenjiro came from the world of short circuit racing in Japan (bit like speedway but on tarmac!) so the story was that he was very good at turning left, but not so quick on right turns! After his Ulster accident he finished with bikes, but became a very good car driver in single seaters and the big Lolas back in Japan. He died in 2007. Here's a picture of the 1960 Honda team before they came to Europe.

I've all the programmes from the Ulster world championship era, which is mainly what interests me. Plus a lot of the GP Special newspapers which are excellent and Brindley yearbooks. Do you have any of the official results/lap scoring books/sheets? I have 1949 and some others through the 1950s but don't know whether they were published for all years as I've never seen any for the 1960s.

Hi Graham - you're telling me a lot of things I didn't know!!

The Ulster MCC weren't religious about publishing official results, but if you can let me know what years you're missing I should at least be able to supply full lists of finishers for a good few of them.

E-mail me on lgdevlin@aol.com

Cheers

Larry D

[Continental Circus]

Hi Graham - you're telling me a lot of things I didn't know!!

The Ulster MCC weren't religious about publishing official results, but if you can let me know what years you're missing I should at least be able to supply full lists of finishers for a good few of them.

E-mail me on lgdevlin@aol.com

Cheers

Larry D

Thats a great find on the Honda team of 1960.
I put a photo on the Gordon Colquhoun thread, but perhaps it would be more appropriate here. Its another mystery shot, all I can add is that at the same event Dave Chadwick was photographed at the same place. We have no idea who the rider is but he has a very distinctive design on his helmet. WWW for you gents.

Roy

[Herr Wankel]

Fred in the 1969 125cc TT,Scored a brilliant 3rd (I think) then excluded for having an oversize engine.It was something like 125.5cc.Given the propensity of Bultacos to seize,I would have thought that a rebored barrel and piston would be a much SAFER bet than a well nipped up standard barrel.But just think of the massive power advantage to be had from his 'Big Bore' motor.Poor chap met an untimely end a few years later in the Island.Very accomplished BSA 'Bantie' pedaler in his day IIRC.

[HEMEYLA]

Fred Launchbury, Bultaco 125, IOMTT 1969 .........Click

[RRT2]

Fred in the 1969 125cc TT,Scored a brilliant 3rd (I think) then excluded for having an oversize engine.It was something like 125.5cc.Given the propensity of Bultacos to seize,I would have thought that a rebored barrel and piston would be a much SAFER bet than a well nipped up standard barrel.But just think of the massive power advantage to be had from his 'Big Bore' motor.Poor chap met an untimely end a few years later in the Island.Very accomplished BSA 'Bantie' pedaler in his day IIRC.

Evening all Spot on Herr Wankel He did finish third Behind Dave Simmonds and Kel Carruthers.He was, as you say, excluded for having an oversize engine

[graham houlihan]

Thats a great find on the Honda team of 1960.
I put a photo on the Gordon Colquhoun thread, but perhaps it would be more appropriate here. Its another mystery shot, all I can add is that at the same event Dave Chadwick was photographed at the same place. We have no idea who the rider is but he has a very distinctive design on his helmet. WWW for you gents.

Roy

Hi Roy,

This is Peter Ferbrache

[RRT2]

Another easy one for you

[graham houlihan]

Another easy one for you

Cecil Sandford winning the 52 125 TT on an MV

Edited by graham houlihan, 21 October 2009 - 17:30.

[Geoff E]

This is Peter Ferbrache

Pretty much the only name I remember from my first visit to Cadwell in the late 1950s. I see he died in 1960.

http://www.ozebook.c...n/ferbrache.htm

[Continental Circus]

Hi Roy,

This is Peter Ferbrache

What a star you are Graham, I did see Peter at Cadwell Park in the mid 1950's where he was one of the circuit stars. But I did not recognise the helmet design.
There is a distinctive pylon in the background which I thought would rule out a war-time airfield circuit, any ideas please.
Thanks, Roy

[RRT2]

Cecil Sandford winning the 52 125 TT on an MV

Yes well done Graham

[RRT2]

Another Who is this????

[Rennmax]

Noll/Cron ?? in '54

Edited by Rennmax, 21 October 2009 - 19:01.

[Russell Burrows]

Another Who is this????

Willi Noll?

[RRT2]

Not Willi Noll and Fritz Cron

[Rennmax]

Not Willi Noll and Fritz Cron

then it's Schneider/Strauss ?

[Russell Burrows]

then it's Schneider/Strauss ?

With a Willi Noll inspired outfit....

[RRT2]

No, No, Not Walter Schneider either

[Rennmax]

No, No, Not Walter Schneider either

Blimey, it's not my day


3rd BMW works outfit: Faust/Remmert ?

Edited by Rennmax, 21 October 2009 - 19:14.

[Russell Burrows]

By a process of elimination: Fritz Hildebrand ?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 22 October 2009 - 11:47.

[RRT2]

Blimey, it's not my day


3rd BMW works outfit: Faust/Remmert ?

Yes I knew would get it Renn Willi Faust and Karl Remmert Weltmeisters 1955

[Russell Burrows]

Easy...perhaps?

[Continental Circus]

Pretty much the only name I remember from my first visit to Cadwell in the late 1950s. I see he died in 1960.

http://www.ozebook.c...n/ferbrache.htm

Thanks for the Peter Ferbrache ID, now does any one have any programmes which show where Peter came from and did he have a sponsor. He had a works ride with Montessa.
Thanks again.
Roy

[Rennmax]

Easy...perhaps?

Is that a "Dunstall" writing on the fairing ?? If so, Dave Downer ??

Edited by Rennmax, 21 October 2009 - 20:25.

[RRT2]

Easy...perhaps?

Long Shot but I'll say Tom Phillips

[graham houlihan]

Thanks for the Peter Ferbrache ID, now does any one have any programmes which show where Peter came from and did he have a sponsor. He had a works ride with Montessa.
Thanks again.
Roy

The best I can find is that he was born in 1924 and came from Enfield, but not sure if that was his place of birth or residence at the time. He won the non-championship 500 race at Montjuich Park in 1959 and at the same venue in 1960 had a ride entered on a works 125 Montesa, but the full Montesa team pulled out before practice. Not sure where else he rode the Montesa but have seen the Tubbergen pic on the ozebook link, but have no idea whether it is a works bike.

[gmwzorro]

Thanks for the Peter Ferbrache ID, now does any one have any programmes which show where Peter came from and did he have a sponsor. He had a works ride with Montessa.
Thanks again.
Roy

Hi Roy
The only programme I can find him in is Hutchinson 100 Silverstone 1956 he is down as from Enfield Lic No 2858
on 350 and 500 Nortons
Gary

[larryd]

Hi Roy
The only programme I can find him in is Hutchinson 100 Silverstone 1956 he is down as from Enfield Lic No 2858
on 350 and 500 Nortons
Gary

Hi Roy,

Peter was an air gunner in the RAF before starting racing, on Lawrie Hartley's 1935 500 Red Hunter Ariel - he cleaned up on the grass, sprints and short circuits.

He then headed for the Continent on, firstly, 7R 350 and Manx Norton 500 and, finally, new 7R & G50 machines. He travelled alone and his many wins ranged from Finland to the south of Spain.

Always cheerful, he was immensely popular and, because of his unruly moustache, answered to "Fluebrush"!

Single, he came from Enfield and, until his death, lived there with his Mum.

[Russell Burrows]

Is that a "Dunstall" writing on the fairing ?? If so, Dave Downer ??

Morgen Renn, Yes and no....

[Russell Burrows]

Long Shot but I'll say Tom Phillips

No, not Tom...

[Russell Burrows]

While you're still pondering that.....what about this one?

[Continental Circus]

Hi Roy
The only programme I can find him in is Hutchinson 100 Silverstone 1956 he is down as from Enfield Lic No 2858
on 350 and 500 Nortons
Gary

You boys have done it again, thanks to you Gary , Geoff E, Graham and Larry, Russ, HW(sorry if I missed someone). The photos of Peter Ferbrache on the ozebook.com site are superb. Alas Peter never got a senior works ride before his death in Holland, this was a black period for the Continental Circus losing Ralph Rensen, Dave Chadwick, Dickie Dale, Bob Brown and Tom Phillis. It was a great privilage to have seen them in action.
Thanks to you all.
Roy

[graham houlihan]

While you're still pondering that.....what about this one?

I'm much better on the continental questions! This is Hedamora. Taveri and bob brown(maybe can't tell from pic), 5 is Arthur Wheeler
7 could be Geoff Monty on a GMS

Edited by graham houlihan, 22 October 2009 - 09:26.

[Geoff E]

There is no obvious 1924 birth (in Enfield or elsewhere) for Peter Ferbrache in the GRO birth index. It seems to be a Guernsey name, the principal mainland outpost being in Hampshire.

[Russell Burrows]

Easy...perhaps?
The late Syd Mizen on Paul Dunstall's Domiracer at Silverstone, around '65. Syd, who was no spring chicken but always a trier, was a regular on the twins up until his fatal crash. I can't recall where he was killed....somewhere in Europe?

[graham houlihan]

Le Mans

[Russell Burrows]

I'm much better on the continental questions! This is Hedamora. Taveri and bob brown(maybe can't tell from pic), 5 is Arthur Wheeler
7 could be Geoff Monty on a GMS

Full house mate, well done. The guy on the unfaired MV is a Canadian, one L. Tinker, who I suspect most of us have never heard of. I read somewhere that Geoff Monty is 90 plus and now living in Cornwall. As a kid, I used to cycle over to his shop and drool over the dozens of G50's, 7R's, and Nortons that were crammed into his shop. And later bought a 7R from him.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 22 October 2009 - 09:51.

[Rennmax]

Hi Russ, some more information about Syd Mizen

http://motorsportmem...hp?db=ms&n=3882


wonder where the left exhaust meg is, the small apparantly chromed tube under his left foot is the exhaust ??

Edited by Rennmax, 22 October 2009 - 09:54.

[Russell Burrows]

Hi Russ, some more information about Syd Mizen

http://motorsportmem...hp?db=ms&n=3882


wonder where the left exhaust pipe is and what's the small apparantly chromed tube under his left foot ??

No meggas Renn.....not sure of the story behind this but seem to recall it being quite common at the time.