International Welsh Rally photographs Options

[mikeC]

1147cc?

Yes, 1147cc - the Bond Equipe was basically a 1200cc Herald fitted with the Spitfire twin-carb engine, sometimes with overdrive gearbox, clothed in a fibre-glass body bonded to the Herald steel bulkhead and floor (a nasty combination for today's restorer!).

[mikeC]

It's a Bond Equipe GT - the same car competed in the 1964 Monte . The crew ? I'll look it up when I get home.

I think the only Equipe to compete in the Monte was a different car - TCK 300

[mikeC]

.... and here it is

[IanG]

.... and here it is

And judging by the registration suffix of CK, it might have even been a works entry or works supplied car.

[McTaff]

And judging by the registration suffix of CK, it might have even been a works entry or works supplied car.

Some lovely stuff coming out! Thanks.

[mikeC]

And judging by the registration suffix of CK, it might have even been a works entry or works supplied car.

Done a bit of digging on this one....
TCK 300 was one of the first production cars, and was indeed a Bond demonstrator, colour Cherry Red (a dark maroon, really) with Black interior. It was SAH-tuned in a bid to market a serious sports car alongside the standard Equipe GT.
85bhp, 0-60mph in 14 secs (contemporary Triumph Vitesse 18 secs!), top speed 99mph.
Driven in the Monte by John Cuff (a local Lancashire driver) and John Lambert (motoring correspondent for the Lancashire Evening Post). Unfortunately the SAH engine seized (twice) just before the start, so a standard Spitfire engine (from TCK 301) was fitted overnight. They went OTL on the last night with a series of minor problems - iced-up windscreen wipers, overheating from an iced-up radiator, broken headlamp, a minor off, and finally a puncture.
Subsequently the car also competed in the 1964 Tulip Rally, and was used in a 24-hour endurance run at Oulton Park driven by Pat Choundley, Liz Jones and Anita Taylor; they covered 1435.72 miles in the 24 hours.
I cannot find any more details on UCK 444, but it, too, is a Lancashire-registered car, and may well have been another demonstrator.

This post has been edited by mikeC: Nov 6 2009, 17:14

[Carles Bosch]

Driven in the Monte by John Cuff (a local Lancashire driver) and John Lambert (motoring correspondent for the Lancashire Evening Post). Unfortunately the SAH engine seized (twice) just before the start, so a standard Spitfire engine (from TCK 301) was fitted overnight. They went OTL on the last night with a series of minor problems - iced-up windscreen wipers, overheating from an iced-up radiator, broken headlamp, a minor off, and finally a puncture.
Subsequently the car also competed in the 1964 Tulip Rally

Hi, Mike,

do we know who was the crew @ the wheel of TCK 300 in the '64 Tulip? ... 'cause John Cuff (this time with D.Anderson as codriver) finished 16th o/a driving a 3.8-l. Jaguar E-Type...


Carles.

[mikeC]

Hi, Mike,

do we know who was the crew @ the wheel of TCK 300 in the '64 Tulip? ... 'cause John Cuff (this time with D.Anderson as codriver) finished 16th o/a driving a 3.8-l. Jaguar E-Type...


Carles.

No - I hav no info on the Tulip Rally, other than that the car apparently competed... I rather hoped (hope?) that more info might appear here

[RS2000]

76 Welsh. A photo of mine that proved Russell Brookes used his "old" 75 car on the 76 Welsh (serviced by Peter Harrison?) rather than the newer one some book sources claim. Running in the Gp5/6 category presumably, since the front spoiler was not fitted and the front valence is aluminium, not steel....unless works cars running in Gp2 had non-homologated panels hidden behind the normal RS1800 spoiler...
(The guy on the left was a member of a service crew for a Gp1 Avenger GT and is an example of how limited roadside service locations were utilised - later numbers' service crews lurking nearby until front runners moved on and vacated suitable spaces).

[RS2000]

82 Welsh. "The car previously known as DKP191T". The car run by RED for Ari Vatanen in the 82 British Open Rally Championship.
A reg number believed used on 3 new cars/shells with the Rothmans WRC team in 81 and the car which became a special saloon circuit racer....before miraculously appearing at Goodwood Festival etc in 81 Rothmans gravel rally spec...

[Kevan]

82 Welsh. "The car previously known as DKP191T". The car run by RED for Ari Vatanen in the 82 British Open Rally Championship.
A reg number believed used on 3 new cars/shells with the Rothmans WRC team in 81 and the car which became a special saloon circuit racer....before miraculously appearing at Goodwood Festival etc in 81 Rothmans gravel rally spec...

According to what he's posted on a couple of other forums, the MCD Services (as RED was known back then) incarnation of 'DKP' was sold to Mark Spencer. It was apparently reshelled again into a new Gartrac shell after he crashed it on the 1983 Newtown Stages- the MCD shell going to Charles Eveson who used it to reshell his 'LVX942J....'
Spencer later converted the car to a racer with a Terry Hoyle-built turbo BDA and ran it unsuccessfully in a couple of Thundersaloon races. It was then used as a tarmac rally car (still in 400bhp Thundersaloon form...) before being sold on and apparently returning to Thundersaloons

http://www.mark-1-tank.co.uk/jpgs/tt/marks...tures-3192b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/325586..._70905e55f4.jpg
http://www.mark-1-tank.co.uk/jpgs/tt/marks...tures-3194b.jpg

[Les Dalton]

Would love to see them Les, do you have christian names of any of the Army crews from your era, it will help our book along. Look forward to seeing your publication, is it motorsport based?

Hi Mactaff,
Not quite sure if you are Scottish or Welsh with that call sign???
Yes, my book is all motor sport, and tells the story of the ten years that I represented the British Army International rally team, it does give the name of all the Army, and RAFMSA crews that were competing in those days, and it is crammed with action shots of my Austin 1800s, Mini's, and Land Rovers including the awsome Turbo charged Land Rover prepared by Alan Allard.
I am still having problems posting some pics from the Welsh rallies that I competed in, maybe Sterling or RS2000 will come to my aid again,
Regards from sunny France,
Les.

[McTaff]

Hi Mactaff,
Not quite sure if you are Scottish or Welsh with that call sign???
Yes, my book is all motor sport, and tells the story of the ten years that I represented the British Army International rally team, it does give the name of all the Army, and RAFMSA crews that were competing in those days, and it is crammed with action shots of my Austin 1800s, Mini's, and Land Rovers including the awsome Turbo charged Land Rover prepared by Alan Allard.
I am still having problems posting some pics from the Welsh rallies that I competed in, maybe Sterling or RS2000 will come to my aid again,
Regards from sunny France,
Les.

I will send a private message with the crews I need first names for Les, when do you think your book will be out?

[sterling49]

Hi Mactaff,
Not quite sure if you are Scottish or Welsh with that call sign???
Yes, my book is all motor sport, and tells the story of the ten years that I represented the British Army International rally team, it does give the name of all the Army, and RAFMSA crews that were competing in those days, and it is crammed with action shots of my Austin 1800s, Mini's, and Land Rovers including the awsome Turbo charged Land Rover prepared by Alan Allard.
I am still having problems posting some pics from the Welsh rallies that I competed in, maybe Sterling or RS2000 will come to my aid again,
Regards from sunny France,
Les.

Hi Les, send the photos to my mail box, I will upload for you, no problem

[McTaff]

Hi Mactaff,
Not quite sure if you are Scottish or Welsh with that call sign???

A silly moment years ago when I first needed a name for the forum. In retrospect I should have used my own name, much easier as I have no reason to be anonymous. I'm Welsh but I thought I'd add the first part of a good rally drivers name to the front of it!

Martin Leonard

This post has been edited by McTaff: Nov 8 2009, 20:39

[Les Dalton]

A silly moment years ago when I first needed a name for the forum. In retrospect I should have used my own name, much easier as I have no reason to be anonymous. I'm Welsh but I thought I'd add the first part of a good rally drivers name to the front of it!

Martin Leonard

Hi Martin,
There are a lot of names to send for 1977/78/79/80/81 Army teams on the Welsh, could you send me a Pmail to les.dalton@orange.fr and I will send them direct to you and it will save taking up too much space on this site,
Regards,
Les.

[McTaff]

Hi Martin,
There are a lot of names to send for 1977/78/79/80/81 Army teams on the Welsh, could you send me a Pmail to les.dalton@orange.fr and I will send them direct to you and it will save taking up too much space on this site,
Regards,
Les.

Thank Les, email sent.

Anyone have any pics of Alvin Smith in the Strange Rover???

This post has been edited by McTaff: Nov 9 2009, 18:41

[Les Dalton]

Thank Les, email sent.

Anyone have any pics of Alvin Smith in the Strange Rover???

Hi Martin,
I remember Alvins Strange Rover very well, a TR7 body with Range Rover running gear mounted back to front IE engine at the back.
Alvin had a quite bad accident in the Strange Rover on the 1980 Mintex on a downhill lefthander on sheet ice, this was on one of the Otterburn stages, which nearly caught me out as well, my co-driver call a flat left, but it was very tight, I spun and went backwards downhill for some distance and had to drive back up the hill to turn around again.
Alvin went off the side and down into the river bed during the early morning, from memory, his co-driver was hospitalised.
I have not received your Email yet!!!,
Regards,
Les.

This post has been edited by Les Dalton: Nov 9 2009, 23:07

[McTaff]

Hi Martin,
I remember Alvins Strange Rover very well, a TR7 body with Range Rover running gear mounted back to front IE engine at the back.
Alvin had a quite bad accident in the Strange Rover on the 1980 Mintex on a downhill lefthander on sheet ice, this was on one of the Otterburn stages, which nearly caught me out as well, my co-driver call a flat left, but it was very tight, I spun and went backwards downhill for some distance and had to drive back up the hill to turn around again.
Alvin went off the side and down into the river bed during the early morning, from memory, his co-driver was hospitalised.
I have not received your Email yet!!!,
Regards,
Les.

Live in France, you get snail mail! Is it there yet?

[bill moffat]

I think the only Equipe to compete in the Monte was a different car - TCK 300

Oh well I was half right. Talking of glass fibre kit cars I'm sure I remember seeing a Gilbern on the FRAM Welsh one year- or is that my Brains injury (Welsh readers will understand) playing tricks on me again...

[sterling49]

It's the beer goggles Bill

[RS2000]

Brains...good
Felin Foel...not

[McTaff]

Brains...good
Felin Foel...not

Hence, Feeling Foul!

[Fred Gallagher]

Hi, Mike,

do we know who was the crew @ the wheel of TCK 300 in the '64 Tulip? ... 'cause John Cuff (this time with D.Anderson as codriver) finished 16th o/a driving a 3.8-l. Jaguar E-Type...


Carles.

The only Bond in the 1964 entry list was driven by J.Wilson & L. (Les?) Needham. It carried number 43 and finished the event.

Fred

[Carles Bosch]

The only Bond in the 1964 entry list was driven by J.Wilson & L. (Les?) Needham. It carried number 43 and finished the event.

Fred

Thankyou, Fred!


Carles.

[petom]

I will send a private message with the crews I need first names for Les, when do you think your book will be out?

Hello Martin. I am Tom Bradley petom@btinternet.com. I competed on the 1981 Welsh International in a Mini 1275GT and I have a load of photos of the car on the event. My Co driver was Peter Allworthy. I would try and put the photos on here but I am a dinosaur.

[McTaff]

Hello Martin. I am Tom Bradley petom@btinternet.com. I competed on the 1981 Welsh International in a Mini 1275GT and I have a load of photos of the car on the event. My Co driver was Peter Allworthy. I would try and put the photos on here but I am a dinosaur.

Thanks Tom, I'm sure even dinosaurs can do it if I can!!

[Les Dalton]

Thanks Tom, I'm sure even dinosaurs can do it if I can!!

Martin,
My book FLY ARMY is currently with the publishers, not sure how long it will take to hit the shelves???
I have seen somewhere on this site, reference to David Skeffington (of Foster & Skeffington rally photograps) as I have some in the book that were taken by David, I need to find out what action I should take prior to publication, can anyone help me here????
Regards from France,
Les Dalton.

[Mark 1]

According to what he's posted on a couple of other forums, the MCD Services (as RED was known back then) incarnation of 'DKP' was sold to Mark Spencer. It was apparently reshelled again into a new Gartrac shell after he crashed it on the 1983 Newtown Stages- the MCD shell going to Charles Eveson who used it to reshell his 'LVX942J....'
Spencer later converted the car to a racer with a Terry Hoyle-built turbo BDA and ran it unsuccessfully in a couple of Thundersaloon races. It was then used as a tarmac rally car (still in 400bhp Thundersaloon form...) before being sold on and apparently returning to Thundersaloons

http://www.mark-1-tank.co.uk/jpgs/tt/marks...tures-3192b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/325586..._70905e55f4.jpg
http://www.mark-1-tank.co.uk/jpgs/tt/marks...tures-3194b.jpg

Hello

Just found this, your account of DKP history when i had it, is spot on. I wish i had not sold it

Cheers
Mark.

[RS2000]

I have seen somewhere on this site, reference to David Skeffington (of Foster & Skeffington rally photograps) as I have some in the book that were taken by David, I need to find out what action I should take prior to publication, can anyone help me here????
Les Dalton.

If you find out, let me know as I have loads! I was told Reinhard Klein had obtained the copyright of F&S photos taken on the RAC Rally but that does not extend to other UK events.

[McTaff]

THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THE HELP SO FAR.

I am still looking for results for some Welsh Rallies, I will post a list and if anyone can help it would be very much appreciated.

This post has been edited by McTaff: Nov 18 2009, 19:48

[Les Dalton]

If you find out, let me know as I have loads! I was told Reinhard Klein had obtained the copyright of F&S photos taken on the RAC Rally but that does not extend to other UK events.

Bon Jour RS2000,
Re your message above, please send me a Pmail and I will give you David's contact details,
Kind regards,
Les.