Except there's a pit lane speed limiter so no one was accelerating like a mad man - only in your dreams.

Oh I'm glad fred has just made a tit of himself and cost Renault their best result of the season - if only to mute some of the baying hoards.

The lights are red while the Safety Car and all the drivers stacked up behind it are safely past the pitlane exit. Only once they've all filed past do the lights go green and drivers can leave the pitlane.

Well, Hammy is waiting for the final results? Wouldn't be like him to jump into any conclusions while the race is still on.

Line of cars behind safety car wasn't by yet. Basically this rule means cars who pit must slot in behind the cars that stay out. It also prevents anyone from trying to jam there way in to a slow moving closely packed line of cars.

Hamilton should receive some sanction because he was never going to stop at the red light. Same with Rosberg

Bingo.

I don't think it's that easy to call really. His foot will have been to the floor to try and get out close to Raikkonen and Kubica and by the time he saw the red light, he locked up and slid into Raikkonen. He could argue his tyres were cold and they locked up. The Williams also slid into Hamilton so it caught out two drivers. And the further you are down the 'queue' the more difficult it gets to see the red light. The stewards may suggest it was a rare situation having so many front runners all pit at once and call it a racing incident but I imagine the chances of that are slim. After all, Hamilton can't blame a wet track for not taking someone out like Raikkonen did at Monaco.

I'd also be interested in is what they make of Ferrari releasing Raikkonen out of his pit with a BMW blocking the pit lane forcing Raikkonen to drive in the wrong lane. Had Raikkonen not been in the wrong place Hamilton wouldn't have hit anyone.

Didn't realize Raikonnen broke any rules, can you please cite the the rule he broke.

Or perhaps because Hamilton had a vision of two standing-still cars and red light, while Rosberg had a vision of one car accelerating fast in front of him. Just a thought.

Why are you not calling for Hammys ban as you did so badly when Kimi crashed into sutil, tell me that?

There were several replays showing the incident right afterwards on the Canadian feeds--more than enough, then back to covering the race.

Raikonnen didn't break any rules in Monaco. Hamilton didn't actually brake any rules either. He certainly didn't pass a red light - he just hit the back of a red car.

He had brain fade and took someone out. Like Raikonnen two weeks ago.

While it was stupid thing to do, and the red light should be enough and all that, but .....


Kubica and Kimi both had to get on the brakes pretty quick themselves, they were stationary for about a second before he hit them. As it goes, a second of reaction time isn't much if your attention is elsewhere.

Because Räikkönen also crashed into someone in the pitlane, when it was red light

I'm pretty sure there's a rule that says "thou shalt not crash in to a competitor."

Cos KR didn't get penalized. If he did then I would be in the vanguard. Fair's fair.

I have to ask? Just where in the hell was his attention?

Article 161c or whichever one it is. The detrimental-to-sporting-conduct one. The same one they nailed Irvine and Hakkinen with before.

WRONG the crash took him over the line so he did go past a red light.
1 race ban

KR was not in the wrong place. There are no "lanes" in pits. This is not a first there are two cars going side by side in pits.

Maybe not accelerating, but if you are closing cars that are stationary within a few meters distance with 80 km/h it may give the idea for a driver in a car behind you that there is no need to stop or even slow down, eh?

BINGO!! Where was his attention? Maybe this will bring tad of humility to Hamilton. Seems his head is growing by the race. Perhaps it is due the media attention? His comments yesterday do look a bit funny now, dont they?

That has something to do with this incident? I mean nobody can be dumb enough to suggest that the incidents are similar enough to warrant the same penalty/non-penalty.

KR didn't deserve a penalty: the incident in Monaco was clearly a racing one, unless you're going to try and argue that he purposely lost the back of his car coming out of the tunnel.

What Lewis has done is ignore a iron-clad FIA rule and smack into another car which happens to be piloted by his main Title rival. Rosberg is also going to get some blame but, as he was staring at Hamilton's gearbox until the very last split-second, he'll probably get away without any punishment.

Mind you, I don't think that the Stewards are going to penalise Hamilton. They should, but they won't...

That is bullshit and you know it well.

Anyway, so you thought Kimi deserved to get penalized.
Do you think Hamilton deserved to get penalized, no matter what the stewards decided on Kimi

Wild guess - because it's Hamilton?

So I presume it was on green then turned to red suddenly which is why KR braked suddenly - was tough to see here and didn't catch any replays that you all saw

Doesn't make much of a difference. Similar situation (this one might actually be worse), so i would expect anyone who asked for a KR ban, to do the same now

Either doing one of the millions things drivers do these days with the switches on his steering wheel, in which case he saw neither light or Kimi+Robert breaking in time, or he was watching the back of Kimi+Robert as they raced each other, and that 1s 'window' wasn't enough for his brain to fully digest the visual signal in time. It's a very silly thing to do, but we are talking a very small reaction window.

Um yes, evidently there are some people that stupid.

Hamilton should get extra penalties for these kind of braindead comments.

Define "penalized".

Hamilton is an idiot, that was almost DC-like in terms of pit-lane idiotics.

And now I will be labeled as a racist for daring to criticise the british wonder boy.

No: the light was red the whole time. Raikkonen and Kubica were playing what looked like a game of "chicken"; each trying to stay off the brakes longer than the other (hence the "sudden" braking).

I wonder how would Hamilton would react if the roles were reversed.

Funny how Alonso saw the cars ahead. Its easy when you pay attention and Hamilton didnt. He had clear viewing distance of the cars ahead and had more than '1 second' to brake. I cant beleive anyone is defending Hamilton. Sad.

I forgot the Tifosi rule. If you're a Ferrari, you can hit whoever you like, park where you like, drive how you like.....no sanction. Anyone else hits someone....BAN.

A moment of brain fade resulting in taking out a competitor. It's what Raikonnen did. It's what Hamilton did.

Unless you want to exercise one rule for the red, one rule for the rest (and obviously, the Tifosi do), then there is no sanction warranted.

After watching the incident again and hearing his comments to ITV, I don't think he saw the red light at all, but was completely focused on the two cars in front of him. He didn't realize they were stopped until he was right on top of them and closing up fast. Nico did the same thing, focused on Hamilton's car instead of noticing the lights.

Completely irrelevant, answer the question.

Bonehead move.

Had he gone throught the red light without hitting Kimi - he would have been black flagged no? So a 10 grid slot penalty next race would actually only be a slap on the wrist.

Even more exciting than I thought! Thanks

You are joking, right? First of all, there was clearly more than one second between KR/RK stopped and whe LH hit KR. But it was on pit, so the speed Hamilton had was at most 80 km/h... these guys are used to swap positions in 300+ km/h, so they can react in the 80 km/h speed if they pay attention.

"For the avoidance of doubt and for description purposes, the pit lane shall be divided into two lanes.
The lane closest to the pit wall is designated the "fast lane", and the lane closest to the garages is
designated the "inner lane"."

"It is the responsibility of the competitor to release his car after a pit stop only when it is safe to do so."

In regards to blame, Hamilton wouldn't have known the light was red until he physically saw it, by which point he could perhaps argue he was going at such a speed that it was impossible to stop in time on cold tyres. Logic suggests the further away from the light you are, the harder it is to see it. Hamilton could also argue that the side by side nature of Raikkonen and Kubica distracted him.

It seems to me absolutely wrong to blame Lewis here. Can anyone really think of a set of rules more asinine than ones that open the pit lane for half of the field (and then the sharp end) to come in and which at the other end of the pit lane prevents them from getting out again - when they think that they're racing? It's the sort of thing that increasingly characterises a formula one whose nit picking rules might as well have been written by health and safety officials - with exactly the same perverse and ridiculous consequences. If I was the FIA and the race director in particular, I would be feeling embarassed at having ended the race of the two championship leaders and (effectively) of Nico Rosberg - in the name of safety! Fire Charlie Whiting, I say. NH

Ahh - so we now issue penalties based on something that may or may not have occurred, if something that did occur, hadn't.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_a01FAIiY

feels lovely watching it over and over again

A second is forever in F1. How long did Heikki's accident take, and yet he had time to realise what was happening and take his hands off the wheel. I'm not sure I could react that fast, but they do all the time. Except one of them, today.

I'm not defending Lewis. I was trying to make a scientific point about the usefulness or otherwise of Kimi & Robert being 'parked' at the end of the pitlane. The only visual signal of any use is the light, and that's what Lewis should have been paying attention to. Evidently he wasn't (he comments to ITV where he commented on Kimi and Robert being side-by-side suggests he had tunnel vision on the back of their cars), which is why events turned out as they did.