Shoulda seen that comin

What I find funniest is what he had said about his Dad before

I take Kimi's comments at face value. He literally has put it behind him. I think one of his amazing talents is his ability to let go of his bad feelings.

I agree with whomever said he doesn't care. I Jarno Trulli believe that he's got one of the most advanced psyches in the world. He just moves on. He crashes, he moves on. He wins, he moves on.

I often preach that it's pointless to be mad/sad/etc in cases when one has no control over the situation. Of course it's a universal truth, but some are better at applying that idea than others. I think Kimi is a master at it. I would give my left nut for the ability to focus just on that which I can control. (AA pledge, anyone?)

It so happens that his ability to not care also effectively makes him an enormous prick. Good thing he's in racing competition, not personality competition.

I am neutral-to-negative in my feelings for Kimi, in the interest of full disclosure.

Lewis' psyche on the other hand still needs seasoning. Hopefully for him he can get it together.

I hear the Ferrari psychologist has made great strides with his emotional issues since the meetings began. Good on him.

Why do I have this strange feeling that we haven't seen the last of hitting someone from behind this season? I keep picturing the last or second last race of the year and someone knocking Lewis out with a bonehead move, perhaps destroying his title chances. Wonder what his response might be at that point and if the 'these things happen' argument the other driver will use still applies?

I heard that Ferrari psychologhist has started meeting another psychologist since meeting Kimi.

touche! Good one.

One thing that just occured to me. If Mclaren hadnt weasled their way out of their penalty for spying and occupied the last garage, then the crash would probably never have happened

Now Kimi Raikkonen knows how Adrian Sutil felt in Monaco.

Actually, judging by Kimi’s apparent flatline emotional state after the crash, he probably doesn’t.

Kimi did call Lewis Hamilton ‘stupid’, which probably made him feel better, as well as giving the print journalists something juicy to publish, but I really don’t think he’s in any position to preach about people running into the back of other people, in the pit lane or on the track.

From Ted Kravits

Hehe, Ted Kravitz at his unintentionally funniest.

Actually he said what Hamilton did was "stupid".

Hadn't thought of that.. that's a funny thought indeed.

Overall one could really start believing in karma these days:

- Kimi rear-ends a car, favour returned the next race
- Lewis bigmouthing about his qualifying, silly error the next day
- McLaren lobbying for an undeserved pit box, contributing factor to a zero point result

A bit scary, actually...

You're forgetting the most obvious one last year:

Kimi has reliability problems at McLaren meaning he fails to win the WDC. 2007 final race, very few problems for McLaren and all of a sudden, an electronic fault puts Hamilton is a difficult position leading to Kimi winning the WDC.

I have always believed in karma. (after watching My Name is Earl)

Don't know the movie. If I would have to start to really believe in karma after watching it, I think I'll give it a miss...

Anyway, start to think along those lines and the list will grow all by itself... also Brazil 07: Hamilton semi-blocks two of Räikönnens quali laps, then in the PC shrugs it off with "anyway, we're not racing Kimi". Come sunday...

Okay, something to balance it out: Alonso, having just won his first WDC, doubts the committment of his team to the future and signs a McLaren contract... two years later he finds out that McLaren-Mercedes is indeed very committed, only that their future is called Lewis Hamilton...

...He may have been swerving left to find the gap next to Kimi, but he clearly removed the car that would be to his greatest benefit.
If this was the case, it is hardly the first time it's happened in F1.

...These was room on the left, hence he pulled to the left. Come on
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Sorry, Lewis' intentions are unknown, but I don't fully share your view. Did Lewis see a gap, or did he see red? The business is too big and the sakes too high not to smell a conspracy.
I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned more, because EVERYTHING is a conspiracy on F1 boards!

Clearly not!

it is also worth noting that both 2007 and 2008 SC were because of Sutil.

I think he saw a red light. I mean the red light on back of BMW. Raikkonen had his back light off.

And speaking of conspiracy teories - if they were true Hammilton would have driven in the gap between two cars and possibly take out both.

Every time I watch the replay, I wonder when I get to the lower angle bit that shows the blue lights flashing and then go off, leaving the red lights flashing.
It is always the blue lights that I notice first, so perhaps Hamilton did too, even if he did not claim to. Blue lights mean proceed with caution, not stop, so he would not have expected to see the other cars stop in front of him.

In any case, the other thing I keep seeing is that all the cars except Raikkonen headed for the right-hand lane immediately. It is obvious that he was not willing to conceed that he should not have stayed in the inner lane and was going for a drag race when the lights turned green.

The irony of this is that, if he had moved to the correct lane and conceded the position to Kubica, Hamilton would have gone down his inside, probably passed the red light, and been penalised.

I still cannot understand why Kubica had his rear light flashing and Raikkonen did not. They both drove quite a way, side by side, before stopping, so I think KR would have exceeded the speed limit if he did not have his pit limiter on (or they don't measure the speed at that point of the pit lane, which is unlikely).

Lewis really has to practice. My dad used to be able to drive at a decent speed on the highway, eat a Big Mac, smoke a cigarette and somehow smack the shit out of us, all at the same time without getting a single scratch on the car.

I didn't smile.

Some more thoughts on this..

Hamilton may well have run into the back of a stationary car but it's interesting to note that the car had only been stationary for a second or so. Raikkonen and Kubica did indeed stop at the light but their reduction of speed was a gradual affair where by they rolled up to the line at a reducing speed, Raikkonen keeping his car moving a fraction longer than Kubica to point his nose infront.

I tried to think of how that might have looked to Hamilton.. who wasn't that far behind them during the entire process. He leaves his pit after a long stop, is driving down the pit lane.. see two cars side by side ahead of him.. still moving but a reduced speed, possibly thinks theres been either a collision, they're fighting.. whatever. He is roughly 2 seconds down the road.

Suddenly realises they've stopped, turns his wheel to the left to drive around them/avoid them but runs out of room. Looks up at the light, it hits him what has happened.

Here's the thing.. what happened in the pit isn't normal. It's not normal to see two cars side by side in the pit lane during a race. It happens every now and then but usually not with the leaders. Ok cars park like that prior to the pit lane opening sometimes but that's not a racing environment. Hamilton will have presumed, and rightly so, that Kubica and Raikkonen were fighting for position. It may have been enough to distract him.

I'm not trying to excuse him as such but more understand why it happened.

or can it be this way too ...

he expected the light to be green soon and thereby take advantage of his momentum and overtake them ( if at all overtaking is allowed anywhere in that condition)

Because Kimi's distance to pit-out didn't require use of the limiter. It's been discussed.

this is what i thought also. maybe we was trying to time the lights.

It's sad that people cannot discuss this matter without having to put little disclaimers into their posts to prevent attacks of blind fury from others.

I look at the accident a little like when you come up to a roundabout and there is a car in front. You look to the right (or left in the rest of the developed world...) and see there is nothing coming and you tend to keep going assuming that the guy in front has also noted that there is nothing coming and can just go.

It is entirely your fault if you end up with your front bumper in his hatchback, but there are certain reactions you expect from other road users, and stopping at the end of the pitlane in the middle of a race isn't one of them for an F1 driver.

Maybe Lewis's attention was wrongly focussed on the cars passing the end of the pitlane rather than those right in front of him.

Why is it nessecary to dissect every thought and action in the minutest detail? What occured is plain for all to see, and the reasons are just as obvious. What is also clear is that it wasn´t done deliberately and as such there was no premeditation. It was just a lot of things that piled up and together caused a very unfortunate incident, which I am sure all parties involved wish hadn´t happened. The culprits (LH and NR) have been duly punished, and as far as I can see, that should be the end of it. Anything else is just anorak stuff.

this is a good theory and makes a lot of sense.

i can really relate to that as i have hit someone's backside in an accident as you have just described.
(many years ago though...when i was around lewis' age )

Isn't that what we're here for?

I´ll have you know my good man that I don´t see myself as an anorak. Mmmmm...... on second thoughts, you could have a point.

Browsing another forums photoshop comp which was to design prostitution ads for celebrities....

Thought I'd post this here

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This should be make a sticky. Its pathetic how something so simple is being debated for 1000 posts. It was just an example of a person not paying attention. It happens all the time in public and sometimes on race tracks. No need to analyize the situation to such a pedantic an inane level.

This is going too far. The guy was distracted and not paying attention for a few moments. Simple.

So don't open the thread then

Quite...it must've been a painful couple of months of his life since he joined!

I've done the "second in line, look to see if there's any oncoming traffic, see all clear, and hit the timid/indecisive driver in front." Impatience and/or improper assumption. Totally my fault.

I've actually done it twice.

In both cases the driver in front was a complete twit. Doesn't make me right tho.

I may be wrong but this appears to be the first time Lewis has had a contact incident with another car in F1...

what about hitting alonso from behind? unless i am misunderstanding what you mean by contact incident

I should go to bed...

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8691/filenl0.jpg Sorry ;)

Yes you are wrong, dear. How about hitting Alonso twice in Bahrain?

And Kubica in last year's Japanese Grand Prix! Although the blame for that one probably rested with the somewhat-predictable weather conditions.

RAMilton.

Ah, but Raikkonen has already ruined Kovalainen's and Sutil's races, Ramilton was the product of Karma.

When this happened, was Hamilton's engine on its first or second race?

I believe it was his first and he kept the same engine for France.