RK and KR might very well had some assistance from the pit.

MM

Good news, but a light punishment. A 2 race ban would be more appropriate.

Is this the level of this forum nowadays?
Very sad indeed.
I'm surprised people like you and some others don't get banned for these kind of remarks.

The F1 cars accelerate to quick for anyone to run without it.

There is so much irony in this accident...

KIMI
In Monaco Kimi rammed Sutil from the race.
Now, due to a yellow flagg caused by Sutil - stopping in a dangerous place - Kimi was also rammed from behind.
Somehow, in a twisted way, just was done... an eye by an eye.

LEWIS
Hamilton was bragging about his saturday performance...

"What can I say? I put together a clean lap and everyone else was struggling with the track's poor surfaces and I found a solution,"
"At the end of the day if there is a problem, it is my job to find a solution and get around it as quick as possible. So I am not surprised that I have that big a gap there, because I can see other people would probably not have found it. So that is why I am on pole."
"It is one of my skills. I am able to adjust to whatever conditions I have, and that is probably why I am so strong in the wet. I feel at home, I feel comfortable. And it wasn't tough, to be honest."

It seems that this time Lewis couldn't find a way between Kubica and Raikkonen.

ROSBERG
When Rubens got a red sign penalty in Australia, he was complaining that the intro of the standard ECU deleted the driving aids out of the pits, meaning that now he has to process five operations to leave the pit stop.
Maybe that's what helped to explain these weird accidents in the pits.
Because Hamilton had already crashed and Nico just followed him.

Or maybe Nico is just too blonde. [I'm kidding folks]

Another unhappy Ferrari fan.

Too lenient. Had they stayed in the race, they would have been DQ'd.

If not a race ban, they should have been asked to start from the pitlane to re-learn the rules of driving under a red light.

Why were Lewis and Nico penalised for this incident when Kimi wasn't for the Monaco incident with Sutil?

They were parked ready to take off as the light went green like the start of the race, unlikely they still had the pit lane limiter on

It's sad news, Hamilton and Rosberg didn't do it on purpose, it was an unintentional accident.

If they are punishing him for this, then they should have also punished Raikkönen for crashing into Sutil at Monaco. But Raikkönen is a Ferrari driver of course, they never get punished.

One can wonder why the lights were on red?

You don't get less penalty for punching someone if you hurt your hand doing so.

the two in front didn't.

Hopefully a strong penalty for both him and Rosberg for next race

there are differences between a pit lane incident with stationary cars and an incident at race speed in the wet.

Lewis is very fortunate with having taken out Kimi, since Lewis would have been black-flagged while Kimi would have finished on the podium, had he not crashed into him. This penalty is very light, considering what would have happened to his WDC hopes if he hadn't hit Kimi, but still crossed the line.

So basically they should punish any driver who spins / loses control and hits somebody?

Oh dear, these people(Ham included) set themselves up for a pretty hard fall.

You are right. This should be the case.

But after being so cocky yesterday you can not expect the story to finish here.
Even worse, he did not accepted he made a mistake. This says he does not have any humility at all.

Hamilton needs to see his doctor / psycho ASAP.

Firstly, he is colorblind and/or has serious problems with his eyes as he can't recognize a light at the very high speed the pit limiter provides.

Secondly, he believes he was _in front_ whilst smashing into Raikkonen from the _back_.

Both physically and mentally ill Hamilton is.

Maybe not ears, but Lewis certainly won the battle of the rears...

Because it's Kimi and FIA loves him?

Start to look at it that other incident happened on track and other on pitlane when red light was on

Hamilton and Rosberg get 10-spot penalty for French Grand Prix. Over and done. Move on...

Well, that's one argument.

FIA race control actually helped this incident - as they did with Kimi/Sutil at Monaco and lots of others - by throwing the Show Car. An abomination that has nothing to do with racing.

If you run a red light and get snapped by a traffic camera do you go to the court and say, sorry I didn't see the red light, so can I not pay this fine?

Well you forgot about Max Mosley, surely he is to blame personally too

That is it. 10 grid penalty end of story. Let's move to the second chapter. My only take is if that was ferari, you know what would have happenned. A very fair world indeed.
Anyway, iam happy for kubi. That made my day.

He was in front when he entered. And you know that's what he was saying. He started by saying that and then continued with the events that followed...

No, I am against punishing drivers for race incidents, unless it's something extremely serious.

I agree that Raikkönen didn't deserve a penalty in Monaco, but I disagree with the fact that Hamilton & Rosberg were punished for the pit lane incident. It's obvious that the light shouldn't have been on red! The person operating the lights was wrong.

But looking back at Monaco, one can wonder why they didn't punish a Ferrari and do punish a Williams or Mclaren. And Raikkönen was also trying to overtake and parking next to Kubica in the pitlane, yet he didn't get punished for that either.

It seems to me that the FIA always uses 2 measures when drivers are punished, and somehow Ferrari drivers always get favourable decisions and this has been going on for years.

When have you seen a driver penalised for spinning out?

I've seen drivers receive DQ for not paying attention on red lights.

What? Kimi's incident happened on a WET RACE TRACK. There was no RED LIGHT on the race track at Monaco!


Apparently you didn't watch last year's race at the same track, when Massa was black-flagged and DQ'd for doing what Hamilton was about to do before he ran into Kimi?

And then, I don't think that Kimi's light reacted very well after Hamilton closed up to examine it. Maybe to check if it was lit.

Last year Felipe ignored the red light and he received a black flag, so let´s say FIA at least has been consistent in Canada.

Because, judging from the tone here, Lewis and Nico crashed on purpose. Kimi, on the other hand, was not responsible for the trajectory of his car at Monaco because a puddle waited 'til Sutil went by then jumped out and pounced on Kimi's tires.

Okay, I agree, Raikkönen apoligized for it and he didn't do it on purpose, it was a race incident.

But Hamilton & Rosberg also didn't do it on purpose and yet they are punished? The lights should have been green as well.

Urmm couple of things.
One your post is comple rubbish. Kimi and Kubica were further down the pitlane than Lewis and they managed to stop in time. Kimi did not pass Kubica, he was parked next to him and you are allowed to do that, Kimi had no choice because he came out right next to Robert.
As for the Marshalls messing up? No they didn't, the light will have come on as soon as the last car passed the pit lane entrance, this is to give everyone the chance to enter the pitlane before then closing them for the safety car and parade to pass.
There was no sudden rush and Lewis and Nico both simply messed up, their teams messed up by not advising, but at the end of the day if they cant see two rather large cars stopped at the end of the road, then its time to go to specsavers.

The most ridiculous Pace Car situation in Formula One yet. If the FIA are going to have one, they should at least figure out how to use it.

Ic an't believe anyone is making excuses for either driver in this situation...

What do you think would have happened if Sutil had crashed into Raikkönen?
He would have received a punishment for sure but since it was Ferrari they took no action, yet the financial implications of losing a 4th place are far bigger for Force India, it cost them millions of dollars.

The penalty is bullshit. Remember Gascoyne's comments re: "No-one cares if it's a smaller team..."

Logically-
1)Hamilton messes up, runs red light, doesn't crash in to anybody. He gets disqualified, gets no points.
2)Hamilton messes up, crashes in to Kimi and runs red light. He gets no points.

Same actual effect on his WDC standing, and I'm pretty sure that no points is incentive enough for him to think twice about the red light in the future. So the only difference between the 2 scenarios is that he crashed in to Kimi. So crashing in to someone and taking them out of the race results in a 10-place penalty. But hang on, Monaco... oh I see.

He is stupid for missing the red light. But to punish him in points terms is unfair because he has already been punished in points terms.

Lewis and Nico crashing into other cars in the pits on purpose, are you insane?

Well like you say yourself, Kimi didn't deserve a penalty in Monaco for what was a racing incident, that could have happened to any of the drivers during the race, it was just unfortunate that Kimi tagged Sutil.

The red light at the end of the pitlane is there for a good reason. If it wasn't there, what would stop the guy in first taking a trip through the pitlane - without stopping - and pulling out infront of the Safety car and gaining a lap? I'm not sure about other tracks as the pitlanes are usually side by side, but Canada is differant due to the exit being on a corner. It also stops the endless squabbles that would arise from a car exiting the pitlane level with a car in the safety car queue - If Kimi came out alongside Rubens, i doubt Honda would just let him have the position! Personally the red light making them come out at the back of the pack is spot on.

All swearing and cursing aside, is there any way to make the lights a tad bigger? They are quite small and off to the side exiting the pitlane. Anyway they could alter it so it's placed in a spot that would make it more visible. Aside from repaving the entire track for next year, maybe something else to discuss for the race organizers?

Scenario 1, Kimi wins the race, he scored 10 points more than Lewis.
Scenario 2, Kimi retires from the race and Lewis doesn't lose 10 points relative to Kimi.

Scenario 1 Lewis pays for his mistake.
Scenario 2 Lewis makes Kimi pay for Lewis' mistake.

You mean starting P11. And this would mean to be light enough to take the "pole" what is not a good strategy as the P10 and sometimes even P9 and P8 start very heavy and if you don't overtake them you are over. It will be something like P13-P14 somehow with the "monkeys".

I'm just against the concept of punishing drivers for errors they make or race incidents.

It's part of racing and the FIA should accept that and punishments really can decide the outcome of a championship and that's sad.

You will be, everyone knows he is Scottish . Well done DC.
All this vitriol and talk of penalties hides the cock up of an FIA ruling that lets cars enter the pit lane (part of the race track) but doesn't let them exit because of a RED LIGHT, this is wrong. If the pit lane has to be closed for whatever reason, then keep it closed at least until the cars can leave unhindered.
That said, the silly rule is still a rule and LH and NR have to take their medicine. CHANGE THE RULE !!

Yeah but so has Kimi been cost points. He was much faster than Kubica going into that pitstop and could have been on for a win. had Lewis just taken himself out the race through a DQ then Kimi would now be clear again in the points battle.

Monaco was a racing accident. Had kimi just driven clean into Sutil with no attempt to brake or making an obvious stupid passing attempt then yes he would have been punished. In this case he lost control of the car because he was being to cautious. I am guessing you've never been in a situation where you've lost control of a car at speed, because you'd know when they are sideways like kimi was, you can kiss goodbye to having any real control.

Why is there anything to talk about here?
Hamilton and Rosberg should have stopped but they misjudged and rammed into the back of static cars.
Any incidents like this that are in the pit lane, under safety car or yellow flags MUST be punished more harshly then on track incidents and so they get a standard 10 place drop. Just enough to make sure that in the future drivers are a bit less gung-ho racing their way out of the pits under a safety car.

It doesn't matter if the lights were correct or not you must obey the rules in the pitlane or people will get hurt. If drivers potentially endanger safety in the pits they must be punished as a deterrent regardless of how trivial the incident may have been.

Do you have a source? It is not enough if it starts with "IF".

It ought to be automatically linked into the steering wheels or something. There's lots of arguments that it's unnecessary, you can use electronic timing to shuffle the cars into the right order, but SOMEbody ought to have noticed it. As it is it seems McLaren, Hamilton, Williams and Rosberg all missed it.