you wanna try dat dare one again eh what

To me every win showed that he was "worth all of the (admitted) hype." And being African American I was and continue to be cautiously optimistic about all of the hype surrounding him. I knew last year that he was damned good; no affirmative action just gosh darn good. Why all the "negativity" I don't have a positive, logial answer. I accurately predicted the double-edge sword of Damocles hanging over him for (A) being "Black" and (B) Driving for McLaren. Well, it's come to be. The shallow claims of "arrogance" are just that: shallow. ALL of the drivers have insane amounts of self confidence and self-worth. Normal people don't have this to that degree. The "normal" people call it arrogance. Well, they do things we can't. They do things we fantasize about. They are financially successful and we all would like that, too.

I don't think many will ever like him as long as he drives...

Actually more will like him than not. People like Slate just post to wind people up. It winds them up and backlash begins from those who probably normally wouldn't. Hamster, Ham, etc. These are little "niggles" that Slate puts in his posts to annoy. Emburmak was notoriously good at this when it came to the WMSC threads. They try to take this bizarre illegitimate viewpoint and poke at people to create long threads. Ignore lists are usually the best route, alas too many people quote the garbage they write so you see it anyway.

Hamilton is incredibly popular. He's a marketing icon. He's an incredible driver. There are probably two others on his level at the moment in Formula One and after the performances in Silverstone and Hockenheim they've both faded badly into the distance. Slate IS right in that Hamilton will have to come back to Earth sometime. And when he does, makes a mistake, he'll be there to endlessly write stupid posts. It doesn't detract from what or who Hamilton is. A brilliant driver - who is over exposed because he's British, black and winning. It's not his choice.

I see.

I also agree with your assessment of him being overexposed in English language media not detracting from who he actually is. Great, clear assessment.

Why people haven't realized that this slate guy is a village idiot and ignore him i have no clue. Once you ignore his posts he will no longer feel important. The problem is you read what he writes, which i stopped few months back because i realized i was dealing with a troll. Reach for the ignore...that is what you need.

I heard something interesting about Lewis at Goodwood...apparently he was as nice as you like when daddy wasn't around, and as soon as daddy appeared he turned into a prima donna, refused to sign autographs and when he deemed to, told people that wasn't his real signature because they would sell them on ebay...

Hmm....

Personally I can't stand him, I think he has let the media hype get to his head and he needs to learn a little humiliation and realise that he isn't the best there has ever been. He's good, but he's also in a bloody fantastic car. Put him in a Force India and see what he does in one.

As we have a great expert at all kinds of humiliation in F1 who wouldn't be very happy to see Lewis win for Ron Dennis as well, we can be sure that your suggestion will come true pretty soon.

Nice one.

Thats just a personal opinion, he could very well be the best there has ever been.

Best ever?

Ham is not even the current best so that will exclude him from best ever!

How can a failure be the best?

17 points 2 races you know the story ....

That type of complete and total collapse would never be a part of the CV of the best ever.

I never said he was the best, just that it is a personal opinion and is not correct as such.
But yes he could be the best ever, ask again in 10 years time.

You seem to think a few mistakes in his rookie year will for ever taint his achievements, thats very harsh, especially as the tyre episode I would blame on the team and not him, look at Alonso when he went full pelt and smashed up his car, you seem to forgive him that, or the last race where he span and made an arse of himself several times, I take as he did that he can never be one of the best ever as you don't think such actions belong on a CV of a great driver? What about MS, chopping, cheating, lying, burning his clutch out, does that belong on the CV of the greatest ever? Why are the requirements for Lewis so much higher then others, or is it just your dislike showing up again?

The thread is not about Slate it is about the hamster. If you lack the wit to refute postings that you do not agree with perhaps some education is on the cards for you. I can take your insults no problem, I only wish they had a bit of wit behind them. Sorry for exposing your hero as the error prone big mouth wanker that he actually is.

By "tyre episode" i assume you actually mean Ham parking in the worlds smallest GT! That is 100% hamster's fault as the team was not driving the car at the time, suprise, it was none other than Lewis at the wheel.

Well there is only one "big mouth wanker " around here ......

Over to you SlateGray

He was a rookie, the team left out on track on bare tyres that had no grip and were not controllable, how is this worse then drivers going off in the wet, especially when they are experienced and have good tyres.

If it had being alonso, you would have being slamming McLaren as a team none stop

Who is Slate Grey?

So true...

If it had been Alonso

1. Alonso would not have wrecked his tires in the first place
2. Alonso would have been smart enough to take the WDC that was offered on a silver platter, no need to race all out when all you need to clinch the championship is 4 little wee points. Then after winning the championship with one race still left to go Alonso would have done his showboating when screwing up would not have mattered, no brainer really but then we are talking about the hamster

Seems strange that you describe Alonso as perfect when we've seen him act like a prat, reading the above you'd think alonso never has done anything wrong.

I never described Alonso as perfect i just told you what a real championship driver would have done in ham's place.

Not only Alonso would have won the WDC given those circumstances, any competent F1 driver would have won the WDC in those circumstances.

Could you link me to the posts where i "describe Alonso as perfect"

just a pity a "real" championship driver couldn't even beat a rookie last year and isn't even able to beat a rookie this year.

Hey Slate

Just what I was looking forward to when I got in. But why are you still talking about last year? Instead of Hammy leading the championship this year, being a star, and kar wanting him for Ferrari.

And I thought you had started to quite like him? After all he deserved the championship last year, it was just the team's cockups and a reliability issue that stopped him. And even so he's still by far the most successful driver ever after 28 races, and has more points since he started than anyone else.

You know as much as me that any odd competent F1 driver wouldn't have been able to lead the championship for so long in his rookie season, as usual you're just trying to provoke reactions ;) You wouldn't be so obsessed with him if you didn't think that Hamilton was an exceptional driver.

So tell me, why was it that Alonso couldn't beat a rookie, let alone win the championship? Given he also had a Mclaren? Also Piquet obliterated Alonso in Germany, Alonso was making way too many mistakes, he kept loing places when failing to overtake, not a very good former champion is he?

Anyway that was my first post, based the standard of most posts around here, so hello all.

Hello, good start to your Atlas posting career

Welcome madman . Very suitable nic and you've hit the ground running

lol thank you guys, what I really wanted to say when I saw this topic, was to congratulate Lewis for establishing a firm foothold in F1. He clearly is incredibly fast and based on his last two performances, deserves this championship more than any other current driver.

I wish him luck and hope he can win.

Alonso did great finishing with the same amount of points as Lewis in Team "We didn't care about Kimi we were racing Fernando" only the gearbox failure in France kept him from winning his third WDC.

And Piquet obliterated Alonso?
What did Piquet do besides cruising?
He just won the lottery.
He couldn't even make it to Q2, he used softs in Q1 and Alonso used hard tyres and still he was .3 tenths behind him. In Q2 when Alonso used the softs he was 1 second faster than his Q1 lap, so Alonso was 1.3 seconds faster than Piquet.

In qualifying.
Alonso 10 - 0 Piquet

Ah, if only there was points for Qualy? Its funny but isn't Alonso the clear number 1 in Renault, Briatore mentioned it was a stupid idea to have equality and hinted he'd give Alonso full support when he returned to Renault.

Anyway at the end of the day, Alonso always received a race winning car at Mclaren, he may not have received much emotional support, but if Mclaren knew he was going to throw his toys when things go bad for him, they would've addressed his outbreaks earlier and better. We all now know he's quite the sensitive guy.

Geez give em an inch and they take a mile. What i said was

"BTW. Nice race from Hamilton on Sunday. He kept his head at a time when he may have lost it in the past. I see a new maturity in Hamilton ever since the British GP. Let’s hope he can keep it up cuz I might even end up liking the guy.

He will have to win the WDC this season and that will make up for blowing it last year. That will put Lewis at square one in my book and IF he can keep his form for a full season, without shooting off his mouth or making any totaly foolish mistakes I MIGHT start to like him.




No it was a driving error in China and pressing the wrong button (major brain fade) at the last race of the season.

Remember for ham to choke (again) he will need a big lead to blow. I wonder if he could manage to blow a 39 point lead with 4 races to go? It would be a better choke job then last years mess, so some improvement
anyway.

Welcome f1madman

Thank you. However I think you choke-theory won't hold true this time. Lewis had 2 really bad races before Silverstone, which were Canada and France. The pressure was really on then, he was trailing the championship by 10 points, hadn't scored in two races, the press were saying bad things and a lot of people were questioning his abilities.

Its better to have points rather to try and chase for points. Then came Silverstone and BAM! He annihilated everyone. Then came France and BAM! He did the same and overtook cars for the win in the dry which doesn't happen anymore.

You can judge him based on his last two races LAST year as much as you want. The fact is, he's more experienced now, faster now, smarter now and just jaw droppingly awesome. The usual trend for a rookie is that they get better the following year.

Try not to dislike the guy too much, he's a once in a generation driver and you may miss the opportunity to appreciate such a talent in F1, before its too late.

So are you suggesting they are giving Nelson a crippled car and that's why he can make it out of Q1?
Why do they give him softs when Alonso uses hard tyres in Q1?
Do they do this to screw Nelson?

© Out of context posting Ltd 2008

A rookie comes within a whisker of winning the WDC and he has to win it the following year to get back to square one. Quite some standards you have their Slate.

EARTH TO SLATE. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

So you didn't invest $16 in the FIA DVD then? I would, really, it will help stop it preying on your mind.

As for choking, I think without stepneygate the team will be less error-prone this year. Nothing to be done about the gearbox glitch but the tyre decisions should be better without the stress, and just a bit less desperation to win.

Actually I think McLaren came into this season angry, and that's driven them all to the performance we're seeing.

So what you are saying "in so many words" is that hamster lacks the consistency to ever be a wdc.
Good, good, bad, bad, good, good, bad, choke, = Kimi wins again!

Yeah, Kimi and Massa are the benchmark of consistency.

Ssshhh! Let him have his fun. This is how rumours and myths become facts. He obviously needs something to "slate" Lewis over.

Aww, too many words confused you. I would've thought people would have basic English comprehensive skills on an English based forum. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, looking through your replies you seem certifiable...



You're right, I really can't defend Piquet.

Earth to ricky, ham now has a track record of using the wrong button at the wrong time so it is almost 100% certain that ham screwed his own WDC effort last season by pressing the wrong button at the wrong time.

Quote Ron: "The system received the wrong input" nuff said.

Slate - IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. FACT. PERIOD. END OF STORY. COME BACK OUT OF THE CLOUDS. END THE HATE. WATCH THE DVD.

So this track record is Brazil 07, where he pressed buttons after the geabox selected neutral when he pulled for 6th, and Bahrain 08, where he pressed the right button a second too late? I don't think that counts as a track record...

Edited thread. Let's try again, more Lewis and less personal focus please.

I am willing to wait until he does it for a third time, then we can call it a trend.

Heikki did it in Oz, maybe we can call it a trend among Macca drivers?

Very fair.

Hamilton was just very very lucky in Britian and Hockeinheim, because others suffer bad luck, that is why he won that 2 races.

Given level playing field, Hamilton would not win in those 2 races...

How much luck could Hamilton have asked for????

Complete and utter BS.

They were all playing on the same field, they all had to cope with exactly the same conditions. LH simply did a better job.

Nope,...LH got a much better car on those 2 races,...so he was lucky to win

If the McLaren were equal to Ferrari, Lewis Hamilton usually loses out in the races.