So I came across an interesting article this morning...
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/14/report-...ubica-for-2010/

I'm almost sure this is just a re-hash of old rumours that this blog is acknowledging only now, but even still very interesting. Personally, I dont think Ferrari has the leverage to secure both these drivers at the same time, especially with the so-called uncertainty of Kimi's long term commitment. What I find funny though is that a lot has been said of the relationship between these two drivers, even being called friends by media reports. This could mean that both drivers confirmed to Ferrari that they would work with eachother well, creating good team spirit. While probably nothing, I think this could be very exciting, and so far is a plausible solution for Ferrari's driver issues in 2010. What do you guys think?

Depends on what happens next year.

If BMW give Kubica a winning car he will stay.

Very true it all depends on 2009.

they need a distinction between their drivers. it worked well for 10 years. last year they got away with it with massa's unreliabilty, and the smaller distinction between alonso and hamilton, versus raikkonen-massa. not this year though, and not with alonso, kubica. still, would be bloody good fun to watch. my money is on kubica (both for beating alonso, and in being the scuderia's preferred choice should they only have one)

Assuming he wins with said car BMW might not be willing to pay any increased wage demand. If Ferrari offer more, then it would be a rare driver that didnt go with the money.

For the possible drama, I wouldn't mind seing them together. But I hope Massa stays around in a competitive car.

The source is tuttosport. You would have a better chance of being right if you asked your grandmother.

That's news! Thank you for sharing the information. I am waiting for 2009 already and the time when Fernando will get rid of that Renault.

I wonder if any top team will be eager to have two numbers one after the spectacular failure that was Mclaren's 2007 season. Alonso to Ferrari? Makes perfect sense. Kubica to Ferrari? Makes perfect sense too, he already speaks Italian, feels at home in Italy and is likable among Tifosis (if this forum is an indication). But both at once? That smells like fireworks, which is not really what team bosses want to see.

However: Both of them have a very similar, aggressive style - they throw the front of the car extremely hard hoping that back will stick. It is said that slicks will make the extreme throw-in even more effective, so having them both could lead to building a car entirely dedicated to this driving style. This is of course is a wild speculation, but that it sounds like a plan for easy WDC and WCC.

Also: I read here BMW have an option for Kubica for 2009, I can hardly imagine them not taking him. So yeah, a lot will depend from 2009. If Alonso will be officially announced as a Ferrari driver for 2010, and Kubica will have a teammate that won't be a major threat for him and a winning car - why should he leave?



edit: Pheeeew. This article doesn't say a single new or interesting thing.

Alonso and Kubica at Ferrari?

I cant wait!

That would be great. They both tend to have a simliar driving style (or so it is said) so the car would not be compromised much towards either driver and they both have great respect for each other so no disobeying team procedure to gain an advantage, happy days.

On the other hand if it was a #1 and #2 status, it would only be a matter of time until Schumachers 7 WDC's record would fall.


Alonso and Kubica together is the best image though, fingers crossed it becomes true!

Alonso & Kubica would be the best pair of drivers since Senna & Prost imho (until the situation transforms to sth like McLaren 2007...) but I think there's hardly a chance it happening. Fernando already said he thinks their careers will develop in different teams.

It will all be rumours. I think some people are just hopeful.

I am

Who will beat it first? Alonso or Kubica?

Sorry... but neither one of those drivers will top Michael Schumacher's record of 7 Championships...

Dunno about Ferrari, but that's probably not Philip Morris' ideal pair.
Anyway, Gestione Sportiva might be interested (if Hamilton gets it right two years in a row)...

I think Alonso does have a Ferrari contract for 2010, and probably has had one since last year already. He'll replace Kimi. As for Kubica, I don't think anything is set. It'll all depend on 2009. Kubica will be with BMW or Ferrari in 2010 depending on which team he thinks will give him a better chance at the world championship. The cards are mixed anew with the 2009 rules, and if BMW come up with a really good car, he'll probably stay.

Basically, I think Kubica and Alonso would get along okay. They are supposedly good friends, play poker together etc. - one of the few other drivers Alonso really gets along with.

But if Alonso reckons Kubica is quicker than Hamilton, he must realise he'd soon become the no.2.

Alonso probably reckons that Kubica is quicker than Hamilton, but he still believes himself to be faster. Alonso believes that the only reason why Hamilton beat him sometimes is that McLaren preferred Hamilton.

In any case, I think what Alonso really had a problem with was being beaten by a rookie. He'd stomach it better from Kubica, provided that he, Alonso, comes out on top at the end of the year.

Anyway, I think it might work, but I don't really see it happening because Ferrari will probably be reluctant to change both their drivers between 2009 and 2010. So that means Alonso - Massa is more likely. And how would those two get along? Oh boy!

alonso doesn't even consider hamilton as his toughest rival, last year within mclaren was just a joke

Some joke ehh! A rookie putting one over a 2x world champion in the same car to the extent he ran away to a team with zero chance of fighting for top honours..

Of course he'd say that, he can't bear the thought that a Rookie beat him.

Trouble is, lightening could yet strike twice. Its currently Alonso 18, Piquet 13...

It's more that he couldn't stomach having his hands tied by McLaren strategically, anything Alonso did was directed at Ron. Lewis attacked Alonso in the media but its a figment of media speculation to think Alonso cared or reciprocated that to Lewis. I have little doubt he couldn't care less who is faster then him if he had the chance to out think them on track, who wouldn't.

I hope this is the last time I have to point that out.

Massa is signed till the end of 2010. So unless he is seriously under performing, (which he isn't at the moment), they probably couldn't just sack him.

Fernando and Kubi as teammates at Ferrari would be highly amusing for non-Ferrari fans .

It would be exactly like McLaren 2007, the team trying to be seen to be fair, the drivers starting out as mates, then gradually little bones of contention would appear, imagined advantages and disadvantages, in one or two races they'd touch, and by mid-season it would be war. These guys are not in F1 to get beaten, they would both be totally in each other's way.

While Hammy strolls to another title.

Luca and Stefano would never let it happen.

Pity

Fernando has lifetime contract with Flavio @ Renault, why else you think think they re-hire has-been ex-champ beaten by rookie? El EyeBrow de BlackHeart not goin' anywhere near Maranello

Kubica wouldn't play a number 2 to Alonso. Kubica would fight Alonso on track and then it would get messy out of the track and in the media as Alonso struggled to cope. Kubica wouldn't talk... he just do his ass kicking on track.

Kubica is one of the most formidable racing drivers in F1, Alonso would block him taking the second seat if he could. Otherwise he'd have to fight hard to remain on top. I am not sure his fragile mind state could cope with it really. Lets see how he does up against Button at Honda next year.

I hope it’s true though. The racing would be great!

Kubica maybe, Alonso noway
Ferrari should get Vettel, with Michael's coaching they could do big things

Oh yeah, smart move, trying to beat an experienced Hamilton with a driver who got beaten by a rookie Hamilton in identical cars. Guaranteed you need a massive car advantage. Good luck. Or maybe it is Kubica you think is so good, and Alonso would be the obedient sidekick?

Amusing thread though.

2010? No way. KR ain't going anywhere before 2011 and Massa has a contract in place. 2012 at the earliest.

A much better option than felipe massa and the guy who cant beat felipe massa

The only way it will happen is if Piquet gets more points from pure luck like the 8 he got. Remove the pure luck points to see the true picture. The biggest % difference between team mates I think.

Kubica is solid but not much more so would likely get crushed by Alonso especially if the car didnt suit his ragged driving style. I cant see where all this praise for him is coming from. His bmws are the equivalent of the renaults of 2003/2004 yet I havent seen him look like even challenging for a legit race win like Alonso or even Trulli did in those years. Hasnt impressed me sorry. He could be another Alesi or something.

If Kubica gets a drive, will they rename it an FSO?

You make your own luck in the business of F1 racing.

At the end of the day when points are being collated there is no column that says 'lucky win' or 'unlucky loss'

Hmm, when I removed the "lucky points" as I saw them, the result became: Piquet 12, Alonso 11. I think that there are bigger "unluckified" percentual diiferences between teammmates, though, for example with BMW.

It seems a pattern for most news stories for people to make up stories that they think (or want) to happen. It happens alot with trade rumours (in American sports). With no source or facts to back it up.

why people have to remark this? wasn't it obvious? or is a preventive measure to avoid misunderstandings

It's just a pertinent point. A Rookie spanked a 2x World Champion.Simple as that. Never happened before far as I am aware.

yeahhh, a joke of team, a joke of boss and a joke of anglosaxons

becoming exited now, third...

what hasn't ever happened before? a golden boy flattered and favoured race after race? no, I don't think so, maybe first time...ohh hold on, maybe dc or monty have something to add...but no...I would be mistaken, they weren't rookies at that point, they were just mistreated by that joke of leader called mr integrity dennis

RK and Alonso would be fantastic teammates; they like and respect each other. It would be very different from "The mess at Mac"tm because Fernando and Robert are both men so Fernando would not have the problem of babysitting his teammate as he had too with Hamilton. Even after all the crap Mac pulled to help the Golden Baby, the best the infant could manage was a tie with the 2X WDC Fernando Alonso. Because of this huge difference between mindsets Fernando and Robert would work as a team while at the same time racing each other for wins in a respectful way. (The way Damon and Jacques did in 1996) If the Ferrari was as good as the other top 3 or 4 cars Fernando and Robert would finish 1 & 2 or 2 & 1 at each and every race. It would end the Golden Baby's floundering F1 career as the Ham child would never win a race as long as Fernando and Robert choose to remain at Ferrari. Mac fans should rightly be filled with fear cuz if this pairing happens it will be game over for Mac.

luck is the primary reason you didnt employ mark webber...

Appears to me you are just sore your hero was humbled by a greenhorn rookie. Lets face it,even I did not envisage Hamilton would take the fight to Alonso the way he did last year. I seriously thought Alonso would cream Hamilton. But lo and behold,I including you was proved wrong.

I mean no way would a rookie with no F1 expirience whatsoever would bag 4 podiums on the trot straight out of the box right?

That IMO is what rattled Alonso and no way can any sane person say Maclaren gave Hamilton an advantage over that period.

Enough of the xenophobic bullshit buddy.

Let me get this straight. Ron Dennis purposely sabotaged Alonso's 2007 season from the outset in order to make Lewis Hamilton look good. The result was McLaren lost the WDC, WCC and $100M and it was all done in order to make Alonso look slower than the actual 0.6 seconds a lap that he is faster than everybody else.

Can I have some of what you're smoking?

Hold on here.

Lewis = 109 points
Fernando = 109 points

Please let me know how this constitutes a "spanking"? Especially as if Lewis wasn't such a tosser and upheld the "take it in turns to get the better quali" ethos, Fernando and McLaren would have won both titles.

As I put in another thread, Lewis needs to win the championship this year, or his rookie godlike status will have been beaten by Jacques Villeneuve, who has already beaten him by taking pole on his first race, only losing because of a tyre problem, and only losing the championship because of another tyre problem. He then took the WDC in the second year. Lewis, won the same number of races, but he lost because he lost his bottle. Villeneuve clearly wins the rookie contest, and he may win the WDC contest since Lewis hasn't done that yet and may never.

Okay, you've posted this before, stop it. Please. You're going to start a massive flame war here. I know you're joking about JV and Hamilton, you know it, I know it but someone's going to take it seriously and then, like an early episode of Batman, Bop, Bam, WHACK, WHOLLOP. It could get nasty.

No, I am not joking. I personally think that Jacques is a great driver as he proved in his first couple of years. Since then he hasn't had the car to prove it. Lets see what Lewis could do in a circa 1999 BAR.

As for who is better, I don't know. They both had great rookie seasons, and both had big braindrains at times. Personally, I think Jacques did better because he didn't bottle it at the end like Lewis did.

Either way, they are both great drivers, it is just about how you handle pressure.